Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

"I did not, I made them think we are adorably dorky, adorkable," you maintain.
I would say they lean more toward adorifying rather than adorkable. :V
Most of the stuff is unremarkable, schooling, certification, he's fifty three
Anyone else think it isn't a coincidence that the doctor is 53 years old, the same amount of time that has passed since the Dreamless Sleep drug trials?

I'd give good odds that he is a spawn (perhaps literally), of one or more people who participated in the drug trial.
 
@DragonParadox a question - did we get the dates when the center was built or renovated? Was it purpose-built for the Soul's Rest Wellness Clinic, or did they move in afterwards? If the latter, who were the first occupants? Who did the renovations? Actually, do we know who does maintenance for the facilities? Do they outsource maintenance of the stuff like boilers, electricity, etc? if the former, who did they contract to build the building?
 
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@DragonParadox a question - did we get the dates when the center was built or renovated? Was it purpose-built for the Soul's Rest Wellness Clinic, or did they move in afterwards? If the latter, who were the first occupants? Who did the renovations? Actually, do we know who does maintenance for the facilities? Do they outsource maintenance of the stuff like boilers, electricity, etc? if the former, who did they contract to build the building?

It was built by them yeah.
 
It was built by them yeah.
I assume this means that everything was done in-house, by some of the affiliate companies who had building permits... That's actually an extensive network of organizations then. We'll need to think of how to deal with them later. Also, we'll need to think of what to do with the building - if it was purpose-built as a ritual site, I don't think we want to leave it just falling into mortal authorities' hands. We'd need to at least break / remodel the stuff that makes in magically (geomantically) significant.
 
Yes, thats deliberate.
Because the other actions previously stated will (probably)alter the optimal choice of actions. Molly might as well allow her father run point on this, and react, because this is the sort of thing Knights do, amd their reputation matters.

Just like Dresden ran point on their first meeting with Mathews and leaned on the Wardens reputation while .

Wouldnt work.

There's always paperwork records, and the people and legal firms who set it up. Shell companies just obfuscate.
Unless we are actively, physically involved in running down all records and eliminating the people involved, this isnt reqlly possible.
Besides, we dont know that the staff of the holding company are competent, or capable of operating without direction.

We might just set up things for a massive class action lawsuit instead.

It belatedly occurs to me that if they thought this was critical? They had no reason to be here.
The Unseelie Accords have provisions for truce contacts. Thats how Ortega challenged Dresden in Death Masks.

They could have dumped this on the White Council whose corporate mission demands they deal with this, or the Fae Courts in the knowledge that the White Council would shut it down, and that the Fae have no love for competitors.
Even the White Court would have been able to get the nursing home shut down.

And that wouldnt have cost them resources. So yeah, I think they are running a game.

Eh.
Cleveland doesnt have the supernatural or economic significance of Chicago.
We have no reason to invest additional resources and effort in Cleveland unless we're moving there.


1)Yes it is illegal.
Attempting to free some imprisoned entity which skullfucks mortals just when they see it in their dreams is enough to get you shanked. Let alone that you are using unknowing unwitting mortals as a sacrifice to do so.

As described, the very existence of the cultists breaks Laws 1 to 4: Law 1, against killing with magic(see Fred), Law 2 against transforming others(how they recruit), Law 3 against invading the minds of others(see Nieminen, and how they recruit, and what they've been doing with Iku Turso), and Law 4 against enthralling others(how they recruit).

Furthermore, the canon Cold Case short story demonstrates the White Council keeps eyes on some entities imprisoned inside the Gates. And can get very scorched earth when they discover cultists of the same.

2)Sending a demon or magic construct to kill someone is a Law 1 breach: Thou shall not kill with magic.
A summoned and bound demon certainly qualifies. It was established back in the first book, because it was a plot point that Victor Sells repeatedly tried to do this to Dresden with both magic constructs and summoned demons.

As a contrast, Binder the mercenary mass summons some sort of NeverNever entity, but its not Lawbreaking because his arent bound the same way. So while the Wardens have been eyeing him for over a hundred years, they cant touch him legally.

3)Trust.
The White Council are wizards, and like sensible wizards wont make use of forces they dont either control and cant guarantee.
Let alone the forces of an Infernal Exalt, who might take offense if they get mistreated.

Not to mention that I'm pretty sure that I recall something about how summoning or using an inhabitant of a Hell outside of a summoning circle for information is almost certainly grouped under the same general rules as an Outsider breach.
Else they'd have just been dropping them on the Reds since the war started.
its definitely not considered an outsider breach its definitely considered dangerous, stupid, and possibly evil. Demons are very much part of reality and probably wanna see it continue outsiders don't.
 
The interesting thing is how they are classified in the RPG.
In summary, the (very) broad guidelines for NeverNever inhabitants are:

Demons: mean, hostile, violent, can change and grow, interested in mortal souls, cannot cross over into the mortal world unless summoned.
Fae: Embodied beings, interested in mortals, can crossover at will
Ghosts: Metaphysical footprint of strong or powerful personality. Cannot change or grow, limited ability to manifest in mortal world
Concept spirits: Never mortal, can change and grow, interested in mortals, can crossover at will

Page 29, Volume 2 Our World, Dresden Files RPG.

Not with Dresden Files demons.
You can summon a Fae entity as powerful as the Erlking, put him in a containment circle, and he'll let you live when he breaks out. You summon Mab, or Lea, without circles, and while you're polite and observe the forms, they wont just murder you.

If you dare summon a new demon without a circle it will generally do its best to kill you before going on a rampage, unless you are too scary to fuck with. Even with demons you have already previously summoned and bound, that you have dealt with, each summoning is a battle of wills where a slipup is potentially fatal.

Citations:
I heard motion in the room, someone moving out the doors onto the elevated deck at the back of the house. The fire continued to spread. Smoke rode the air in a thick haze.
"I've got to go, Dresden," Victor told me. His voice was gentle, almost a purr, "but there's someone I want you to meet, first."
I got a sick, twisty little feeling in the pit of my stomach.
"Kalshazzak," Victor whispered.
Power thrummed. The air shimmered and shone, began to twist and spiral.
"Kalshazzak," Victor whispered again, louder, more demanding. I heard something, a warbling hiss that seemed to come from a great distance, rushing closer. The black wizard called the name for the third and final time, his voice rising to a screech, "Kalshazzak!"
There was a thundercrack in the house, a dull and sulfurous stench, and I craned my neck to see over the counter, risking a glance.
Victor stood by the sliding glass doors that led out onto the wooden deck. Red-orange flames wreathed the ceiling on that side of the house, and smoke was filling the room below, casting the whole place in a hellish glow.
Crouched down on the floor in front of Victor was the toad-demon I had banished the night before. I had known that I hadn't killed it. You can't kill demons, as such, only destroy the physical vessels they create for themselves when they come to the mortal world. If called again, they can create a new vessel without difficulty.
I watched in fascination, stunned. I had seen only one person call a demon before—and I had killed my old master shortly after. The thing crouched in front of Victor, its lightning blue eyes whirling with shades of scarlet hate, staring up at the black-clad wizard, trembling with the need to tear into him, to rend and destroy the mortal being who had dared summon it forth.

Victor's eyes grew wider and more mad, glittering with fevered intensity. Sweat ran down his face, and he tilted his head slowly to one side, as though his vision were skewing along the horizontal and by the motion he would compensate for it. I gave silent thanks that I had closed my Third Eye when I did. I did not want to see what that thing really looked like—and I didn't want to get a good look at the real Victor Sells, either.
The demon finally gave a hiss of frustration and turned toward me with a croaking growl. Victor dropped his head back and laughed, his will triumphant over that of the being he had called from beyond. "There, Dresden. Do you see? The strong survive, and the weak are torn to little pieces." He flapped his hand at me and said, to the demon, "Kill him."

I struggled to my feet, supporting my weight on the counter, to face the demon as it rose and began its slow stalk toward me.
"My God, Victor," I said. "I can't get over how clumsy you are."
Victor's smile immediately became a snarling sneer once again. I saw fear touch the corners of his eyes, uncertainty even though he was on top, and I felt a little smile quirk my lips. I moved my gaze to the demon's.
"You really shouldn't just hand someone else a demon's name," I told him. Then I drew in a breath, and shouted out in a voice of command, "Kalshazzak!"
The demon stopped in its tracks and gave a whistling howl of agony and rage as I called its name and drew my will up to hurl against it.
"Kalshazzak," I snarled again. The demon's presence was suddenly there, in my head, raging slippery and slimy and wriggling like a venomous tadpole. It was a pressure, a horrible pressure on my temples that made me see stars and threatened to steal enough of my balance to send me falling to the floor.
I tried to speak again and the words stuck in my throat. The demon hissed in anticipation, and the pressure on my head redoubled, trying to force me down, to make me give up the struggle, at which point the demon would be free to act. The lightning blue of its eyes became glaringly bright, painful to look upon.
I thought of little Jenny Sells, oddly enough, and of Murphy, lying pale and unconscious on a stretcher in the rain, of Susan, crouched next to me, sick and unable to run.
I had beaten this frog once. I could do it again.
I cried out the demon's name for the third and final time, my throat burning and raw. The word came out garbled and imperfect, and for a sinking moment I feared the worst, but Kalshazzak howled again, and hurled itself furiously to the floor, thrashing its limbs about like a poisoned bug, raging and tearing great swaths out of the carpet. I sagged, the weariness that came over me threatening to make me black out.
"What are you doing?" Victor said, his voice rising to a high-pitched shriek. "What are you doing?" He was staring at the demon in horror. "Kill him! I am your master! Kill him, kill him!" The demon howled in rage, turned its burning glare to me and then Victor, as though trying to decide who to devour first. Its eyes settled on Victor, who went pale and ran for the doors.
"Oh no you don't," I muttered, and I uttered the last spell I could manage. One final time, on the last gasps of my power, the winds rose and lifted me from the earth. I hurtled into Victor like an ungainly cannonball, driving him away from the doors, past the demon as it made an awkward lunge at us, and toward the railing of the balcony.
We fell in a confused heap at the edge of the balcony that overlooked the room beneath, full of dark smoke and the red glow of flame. The air had grown almost too hot to breathe. Pain jolted through my hip, more bright and blinding than anything I had ever imagined, and I sucked in a breath. The smoky air burned, made me choke and gasp.
I looked up. Fire was spreading everywhere. The demon was crouched between us and the only way out. Over the edge of the balcony was only chaos and flame and smoke—strange, dark smoke that should have been rising, but instead was mostly settled along the floor like London fog. The pain was too great. I simply couldn't move. I couldn't even take in enough breath to scream.
"Damn you," Victor screamed. He regained his feet and hauled me up toward his face with berserk strength. "Damn you," he repeated. "What happened? What did you do?"
"The Fourth Law of Magic forbids the binding of any being against its will," I grated out. Pain was tight around my throat, making me fight to speak the words. "So I stepped in and cut your control over it. And didn't establish any of my own."
Victor's eyes widened, "You mean …"
"It's free," I confirmed. I glanced at the demon. "Looks hungry."
"What do we do," Victor said. His voice was shaking, and he started shaking me, too. "What do we do?"
"We die," I said. "Hell, I was going to do that anyway. But at least this way, I take you out with me."

I saw him glance at the demon, then back to me, eyes terrified and calculating. "Work with me," he said. "You stopped it before. You can stop it again. We can beat it, together, and leave."
I studied him for a moment. I couldn't kill him with magic. I didn't want to. And it would only have brought a death sentence on my head in any case. But I could stand by and do nothing. And that's exactly what I did. I smiled at him, closed my eyes, and did nothing.
"Fuck you, then, Dresden," Victor snarled. "It can only eat one of us at a time. And I'm not going to be the one to get eaten today." And he picked me up to hurl me toward the demon.
I objected with fragile tenacity. We grappled. Fire raged. Smoke billowed. The demon came closer, lightning eyes gleaming through the hell-lit gloom. Victor was shorter than me, stockier, better at wrestling, and he hadn't been shot in the hip. He levered me up and almost threw me, but I moved quicker, whipping my right arm at his head and catching him with the flailing free end of Murphy's handcuffs, breaking his motion. He tried to break away, but I held on to him, dragged him in a circle to slam against the guardrail of the balcony, and we both toppled over.
Desperation gives a man extraordinary resources. I flailed at the balcony railing and caught it at the base, keeping myself from going over into the roiling smoke below. I shot a glance below, and saw the glistening brown hide of one of the scorpions, its stinging tail held up like the mast of a ship cutting through smoke at least four feet deep. The room was filled with angry clicking, scuttling sounds. Even in a single desperate glance, I saw a couch torn to pieces by a pair of scorpions in less time than it took to take a breath. They loomed over it, their tails waving in the air like flags from the back of golf carts. Hell's bells.
Victor had grabbed on to the railing a little above me and to the left, and he stared at the oncoming demon with a face twisted with hatred. I saw him draw in a breath, and try to plant a foot firmly enough to free one hand to point at the oncoming demon in some sort of magical attack or defense.
I couldn't allow Victor to get out of this. He was still whole. If he could knock the demon down, he might still slip out. So I had to tell him something that would make him mad enough to try to take my head off. "Hey, Vic," I shouted. "It was your wife. It was Monica that ratted on you."
The words hit him like a physical blow, and his head whipped around toward me, his face contorting in fury. He started to say something to me, the words of a spell meant to blow me to bits, maybe, but the toad-demon interrupted him by rearing up with an angry hiss and snapping its jaws down over Victor's collarbone and throat. Bone broke with audible snaps, and Victor squealed in pain, his arms and legs shuddering. He tried to push his way down, away from the demon, and the creature's balance wobbled.
I gritted my teeth and tried to hold on. A scorpion leapt at me, brown and gleaming, and I drew my legs up out of reach of its pincers, just barely.
"Bastard," Victor cried, struggling uselessly in the demon's jaws. There was blood running down his body, fast and hot. The demon had hit an artery, and it was simply holding on, wavering at the edge of the balcony as Victor struggled and started kicking at my near hand. He hit me once, twice, and my balance wavered, my grip slipping. A quick glance below me showed me another scorpion, getting ready to jump at me, this one closer.

Murphy, I thought. I should have listened to you. If the scorpions didn't kill me, the demon would, and if the demon didn't, the fire was going to kill me. I was going to die.
There was a certain peace in thinking that, in knowing that it was all about to be over. I was going to die. It was as simple as that. I had fought as hard as I could, done everything I could think of, and it was over. I found myself, in my final seconds, idly wishing that I could have had time to apologize to Murphy, that I could apologize to Jenny Sells for killing her daddy, that I could apologize to Linda Randall for not figuring things out fast enough and saving her life. Murphy's handcuffs lay tight and cold against my forearm as monsters and demons and black wizards and smoke closed in all around me. I closed my eyes.
Murphy's handcuffs.
My eyes snapped open.
Murphy's handcuffs.
Victor swung his foot at my left hand again. I kicked with my legs and hauled with my shoulders to give me a second of lift, and grabbed Victor Sells's pant leg in my left hand. With my right, I flicked the free end of the handcuffs around one of the bars of the guardrail. The ring of metal cycled around on its hinge and locked into place.
Then, as I started to fall back down, I hauled hard on Victor's leg. He screamed, a horrible, high-pitched squeal, as he started to fall. Kalshazzak, finally overbalanced by the additional weight and leverage I had added to Victor's struggles, pitched over the balcony guardrail and into the smoke below, crashing down to the floor, carrying Victor with him.
There was a rush of scuttling, clicking sounds, a piercing whistle-hiss from the demon. Victor's screams rose to something high-pitched and horrible, until he sounded more like an animal, a pig squealing at slaughter, than a man.
I swung from the balcony, my feet several feet above the fray, held suspended in an acutely painful fashion by Murphy's handcuffs, one loop around my wrist, the other locked around the balcony railing. I looked down as my vision started to fade. I saw a sea of brown, gleaming plates of segmented, chitinous armor. I saw the scorpions' stinging tails flashing down, over and over again. I saw the lightning eyes of Kalshazzak's physical vessel, and I saw one of them pierced and put out by the flashing sting of one of the scorpions.
And I saw Victor Sells, struck over and over again by stingers the size of ice picks, the wounds foaming with poison. The demon ignored the pincers and the stingers of the scorpions to begin tearing him apart. His face contorted in the final agony of rage and fear.
The strong survive, and the weak get eaten. I guess Victor had invested in the wrong kind of strength.
The demon trapped in the summoning circle screamed, slamming its crablike pincers against the unseen barrier, hurling its chitinous shoulders from side to side in an effort to escape the confinement. It couldn't. I kept my will on the circle, kept the demon from bursting free.
"Satisfied, Chauncy?" I asked it.
The demon straightened its hideous form and said, in a perfect Oxford accent, "Quite. You understand, I must observe the formalities."
Then it took a pair of wholly incongruous wire-frame spectacles from beneath a scale and perched them upon the beaklike extremity of its nose. "You have questions?"
I let out a sigh of relief, and sat down on the edge of the worktable in my lab. I had cleared away all the clutter from around the summoning ring in the floor, and I'd have to move it before I could clamber up out of my lab, but I didn't like to take chances. No matter how comfortable Chaunzaggoroth and I were with our working relationship, there was always a chance that I could have messed up the summoning. There were rules of protocol that demonic beings were obliged to follow—one of them was offering resistance to any mortal wizard who called them. Another was doing their best to end the life of the same wizard, should they be able to escape the confines of the circle.
All in all, squeezing information from faeries and spirits of the elements was a lot easier and saferbut Bob had turned up nothing in his search among the local spirits. They weren't always up on information to be had in the city, and Bob now resided in his skull again, exhausted and unable to help any further.
So I'd gone to the underworld for assistance. They know when you've been bad or good, and they make Santa Claus look like an amateur.

"I need information about a man named Harley MacFinn, Chauncy. And about something he was working on called the Northwest Passage Project."
Chauncy clacked his pincers pensively. "I see. Presuming I have this information, what is it worth to you?"
"Not my soul," I snorted. "So don't even start with that. Look, I could dig this up myself in a few days."
Chauncy tilted his head, birdlike. "Ah. But time is of the essence, yes? Come now, Harry Dresden. You do not call upon me lightly. The possible dangers, both from myself and from your own White Council, are far too great."
I scowled at him. "Technically," I said, "I'm not breaking any of the Laws of Magic. I'm not robbing you of your will, so I'm clear of the Fourth Law. And you didn't get loose, so I'm clear of the Seventh Law. The Council can bite me."
The bone ridges above Chauncy's eyes twitched. "Surely, that is merely a colorful euphemism, rather than a statement of desire."
"It is."
Chauncy pushed the glasses a bit higher up on his nose. "The moral and ethical ramifications of your attitudes are quite fascinating, Harry Dresden. I am continually amazed that you remain in the Council's good graces. Knowing full well that most of the Council would look the other way while their enforcers killed you, should they learn that you have willfully brought a demon into this world, you still summon me not once, but a half-dozen times. Your attitudes are much more contiguous with those of many of my brethren in the World Below—"
"And I should throw in with your side, accept the dark powers, et cetera, et cetera," I finished for him, with a sigh. "Hell's bells, Chauncy. Why do you keep on trying to sucker me into signing on with Down-below, eh?"
Chauncy shrugged his bulky shoulders. "I admit that it would give me no small amount of status to gather a soul of your caliber into our legions," he said. "Additionally, it would free me from the onerous duties which make even these excruciating visits to your world seem pleasant by comparison."
"Well, you aren't getting my soul today," I told him. "So make me a counteroffer, or we can call a close to the negotiations and I can send you back."
The demon shuddered. "Yes, very well. Let us not be hasty, Harry Dresden. I have the information you need. Additionally, I have more information of which you are not aware, and which would be of great interest to you, and which I judge, additionally, may help to preserve your life and the lives of others. Given the situation, I do not think the price I will ask inappropriate: I wish another of your names."
I frowned. The demon had two of my names already. If he gained my whole name, from my own lips, he could use it in any number of magical applications against me. That didn't particularly disturb me—demons and their ilk had great difficulty in reaching out from the Nevernever, the spirit world beyond the physical one we inhabited, with sorcery.
But Chaunzaggoroth was a popular source of information among wizards who went to the underworld in need of it. What bothered me was the possibility that one of them would get it. Chauncy was correct—there were a lot of people on the White Council who would be happy to see me dead. If one of them got my name, there was the chance that they would use it against me, either to kill me or to magically force me to do something that would openly violate one of the Seven Laws and have me brought to trial and killed.
On the other hand, Chauncy never lied to me. If he said he had information that could save people's lives, he had it, and that's all there was to it. Hell, he might even know who the killer was, though a demon's grasp of individual human identity was somewhat shaky.
I decided to gamble.
"Done," I said. "All pertinent information on the subject of my inquiry in exchange for another of my names."
Chauncy nodded once. "Agreed."
"All right," I said. "Let's have the information on MacFinn and the Northwest Passage Project."
"Very well," Chauncy said. "Harley MacFinn is an heir to a considerable fortune made in coal mining and railroads at the turn of the twentieth century. He is one of the ten richest men in the country known as the United States. He served during the police action in Vietnam, and when he returned to this country he began divesting himself of business interests, merely accruing capital. His favorite color is red, his shoe size is—"
"We can skip the little details unless you think they will be really relevant," I said. "I could hear about his favorite food and his problems in middle school all day and it wouldn't help anything." I got out my notebook and started taking notes.
"As you wish," Chauncy assented. "The object of his endeavors for the past several years has been the Northwest Passage Project. The project is an effort to buy enormous tracts of land, beginning in the central Rocky Mountains of the American Southwest, and moving northwest into Canada, to provide for an enormous, migratory-sized preserve for North American wildlife."
"He wants to make his own private playground out of the Rocky Mountains?" I blurted.
"No, Harry Dresden. He wishes to acquire the lands that are not already owned by the government, then donate them, provided the government guarantees that they will be used as a part of the Northwest Passage Project. He has considerable backing from environmentalist groups throughout the country, and support in your capital, as well, provided he can get the land."
"Wow," I said, impressed. "You said he has a lot of support. Who wants to stop him?"
"Industrial interests still looking to expand into the Northwest," Chauncy said.
"Let me guess. James Harding III was one of them," I said, already writing it down.
"How did you know?" Chauncy asked.
"He was killed by a werewolf last month, along with his bodyguard. Several other people died as well."
Chauncy beamed. "You are a clever man, Harry Dresden. Yes. James Douglas Harding III was exceptionally interested in blocking MacFinn's efforts to acquire property. He came to Chicago to have negotiations with MacFinn, but died before they were complete."

I closed my eyes for a minute, thinking. "Okay. Harding comes to town to talk to MacFinn. Harding's in cahoots with Marcone, so maybe Marcone is hosting the talks. Harding and his bodyguard get et-all-up by a werewolf. So … MacFinn is the werewolf in question?"
Chauncy smiled, a rather intimidating expression. "MacFinn is a member of an ancient family line from an island known as Ireland. His family has a notable history. Sometime in the murky past, legend would have it, the man known as Saint Patrick cursed his ancestor to become a ravening beast at every full moon. The curse came with two addenda. First, that it would be hereditary, passing down to someone new each and every generation. And second, that the cursed line of the family would never, ever die out, lasting until the end of days."
I wrote that down as well. "A Catholic saint did that?"
Chauncy made a sound of distaste. "I am not responsible for the sorts of people the Other Side employs, wizard. Or the tactics they use."
"Considering the source, I think I'll note it as a biased opinion. Your folk have done a thousand times worse," I said.
"Well. True," Chauncy admitted. "But we tend to be quite honest about the sort of beings we are and the sorts of things we stand for, at least."
I snorted. "All right. This is making a lot more sense now. MacFinn is a loup-garou, one of the legendary monsters. He's trying to do some good in his spare time, make the big park for all the furry critters, but Harding puts himself in the way. MacFinn goes on a killing spree and wipes him out." I frowned. "Except that Harding was the last person to be murdered last month. You would have thought that if MacFinn was going to lose it, Harding would be the first to go." I peered at Chauncy. "Is MacFinn the murderer?"
"MacFinn is a murderer," Chauncy said. "But among humankind, he is one of many, and not the most monstrous."
"Is he the one who killed Marcone's bodyguard? The other people last month?"
"My information on that point is inconclusive, Harry Dresden," Chauncy said. His black eyes gleamed. "Perhaps for the price of another name, I could inquire of my brethren and give you a more precise answer."
I scowled. "Not a chance. Do you know who murdered the other people, last month?"
"I do," Chauncy said. "Murder is one of the foremost sins, and we keep close track of sins."
I leaned forward intently. "Who was it?"
Chauncy laughed, a grating sound. "Really, Harry Dresden. In the first place, our bargain was for information regarding MacFinn and the Northwest Passage Project. In the second, I could not tell you the answer to such a direct question, and you know it. There is a limit to how much I may involve myself in mortal affairs."
I let out a breath of frustration and rubbed at my eyes. "Yeah, yeah. All right, Chauncy. What else can you tell me?"
"Only that Harley MacFinn was planning to meet with John Marcone tomorrow night, to continue the talks."
"Wait a minute. Is Marcone the major opponent to the project now?"
"Correct," Chauncy said. "He assumed control of a majority of the business interests shared with Harding upon Harding's death."
"So … Marcone had a fantastic motive to have Harding killed. It broadened his financial empire, and put him in a position to gouge MacFinn for as much money as he possibly could."
Chauncy adjusted his wire-frame spectacles. "Your reasoning would seem to be sound."
I thumped my pencil on my notebook, staring at what I had written. "Yeah. But it doesn't explain why everyone else got killed. Or who did it. Unless Marcone's got a pack of werewolves in his pocket, that is." I chewed on my lip, and thought about my encounter at the Full Moon Garage. "Or Streetwolves."
"Is there anything else?" Chauncy asked, his manner solicitous.
"Yes," I said. "Where can I find MacFinn?"
"Eight eighty-eight Ralston Place."
I wrote it down. "But that's right here in Chicago. In the Gold Coast."
"Where did you expect a billionaire to live when he was in Chicago, Harry Dresden? Now, I seem to have lived up to all of my obligations. I expect my payment now." Chauncy took a few restless steps back and forth within the circle. His time on earth was beginning to wear on him.
I nodded. "My name," I said, "is Harry Blackstone Dresden." I carefully omitted «Copperfield» from the words, while leaving the tones and pronunciation the same.
"Harry. Blackstone. Dresden," Chauncy repeated carefully. "Harry as in Harry Houdini? Blackstone, the stage illusionist?"
I nodded. "My dad was a stage musician. When I was born, he gave me those names. They were always his heroes. I think if my mother had survived the birth, she would have slapped him for it." I made a few more notes on my page, getting ideas down on paper before they fled from memory.
"Indeed," Chauncy agreed. "Your mother was a most direct and willful woman. Her loss was a great sadness to all of us."
I blinked, startled, and the pencil fell from my fingers. I stared at the demon for a moment. "You … you knew my mother? You knew Margaret Gwendolyn Dresden?"
Chauncy regarded me without expression or emotion. "Many in the underworld were … familiar with her, Harry Blackstone Dresden, though under a different name. Her coming was awaited with great anticipation, but the Dark Prince lost her, in the end."

"What do you mean? What are you talking about?"
Chauncy's eyes gleamed with avarice. "Didn't you know about your mother's past, Mr. Dresden? A pity that we didn't have this conversation sooner. You might have added it into the bargain we made. Of course, if you would like to forfeit another name, to know all about your mother's past, her …" his voice twisted with distaste, "redemption, and the unnatural deaths of both mother and father, I am certain we can work something out."
I gritted my teeth in a sudden rush of childlike frustration. My heart pounded in my ears. My mother's dark past? I had expected that she was a wizardess, but I had never been able to prove anything, one way or another. Unnatural deaths? My father had perished in his sleep, of an aneurism, when I was young. My mother had died in childbirth.
Or had they?
A sudden, burning desire to know filled me, starting at my gut and rolling outward through my body—to know who my mother was, what she had known. She had left me her silver pentacle, but I knew nothing of the sort of person she was, other than what my gentle and too-generous father had told me before his death. What were my parents like? How had they perished and why? Had they been killed? Did they have enemies lurking out there, somewhere? If so, had I inherited them?
My mother's dark past. Did that explain my own fascination with the darker powers, my somewhat-less-than-sterling adherence to the rules of the White Council that I considered foolish or inconvenient?
I looked up at the demon, and felt like a sucker. I had been set up. He had intended, all along, to dangle this information in front of me as bait. He wanted to get my whole name, if he could, or more.
"I can show them to you, Harry Blackstone Dresden, as they really are," Chaunzaggoroth assured me, his voice dulcet. "You've never seen your mother's face. I can give that to you. You've never heard her voice. I can let you hear that as well. You know nothing of what sort of people your parents were—or if you have any other family out there. Family, Harry Blackstone Dresden. Blood. Every bit as tormented and alone as you are …"
I stared at the demon's hideous form and listened to his soothing, relaxing voice. Family. Was it possible that I had a family? Aunts? Uncles? Cousins? Others, like me, perhaps, moving through the secret societies of the wizards, hidden from the view of the mortal world?
"The price is comparatively low. What need have you for your immortal soul when your body is finished with it? What harm to pass on to me only one more name? This is not information easily gained, even by my kind. You may not have the chance to garner it again." The demon pressed his pincers against the barrier of the conjuring circle. His beaklike maw fairly trembled with eagerness.
"Forget it," I said quietly. "No deal."
Chaunzaggoroth's jaw dropped open. "But, Harry Blackstone Dresden—" he began.
I didn't realize that I was shouting until I saw him flinch. "I said forget it! You think I'm some kind of simp for you to sucker in, darkspawn? Take what you have gained and go, and feel lucky that I do not send you home with your bones torn from your body or your beak ground into dust."
Chaunzaggoroth's eyes flashed with rage and he hurled himself against the barrier again, howling with blood lust and fury. I extended my hand and snarled, "Oh no you don't, you slimy little shit head." The demon's will strained against mine, and though sweat burst out on my forehead, I came out ahead once more.
Chaunzaggoroth began to grow smaller and smaller, howling out his frustrated rage. "We are watching you, wizard!" he screamed. "You walk through shadows and one night you will slip and fall. And when you do, we will be there. We will be waiting to bring you down to us. You will be ours in the end."
He went on like that until he shrank to the size of a pinpoint and vanished with a little, imploding sound. I let my hand drop and lowered my head, breathing hard. I was shaking all over, and not only with the cold of my laboratory. I had badly misjudged Chaunzaggoroth, thought him a somewhat reliable, if dangerous, source of information, willing to do reasonable business. But the rage, the fury, the frustrated malice that had been in his final offer, those last words, had shown his true colors. He had lied to me, deceived me about his true nature, played me along like a sucker and then tried to set the hook, hard. I felt like such an idiot.
The phone began to ring upstairs. I stirred into sudden motion, shoving stacks of things out of my way, pushing past them and over them, to reach the step-ladder stairs that led up to my apartment. I hurried up them, my notebook in one hand, and caught the phone on its fifth ring. My apartment was dark. Night had fallen while I had interviewed the demon.
"Dresden," I said, puffing.
"Harry," Murphy said, her voice weak. "We've got another one."
"Son of a bitch," I said. "I'm coming. Give me the address." I set down the notebook and held my pencil ready to write.
Murphy's tone was numb. "Eight eighty-eight Ralston Place. Up in the Gold Coast."
I froze, staring at the address I had written down on the notebook. The address the demon had given me.
"Harry?" Murphy said. "Did you hear me?"
"I heard," I told her. "I'm coming, Murph." I hung up the phone and headed out into the light of the full moon overhead
Demons as portrayed in canon are always malevolently homicidal.
Demons are never your friends. You can have fae and spirit friends. Can be cordial.
Not DF demons.

Nobody calls them up to wash their car, and anyone who does so knows precisely what they are risking.

And twenty five year old Dresden was a poster boy for the assertion that your brain doesnt finish developing until your late twenties.
Because he was a fucking idiot.
this is definitely true all your saying. though I'll note dresden files is a fuck huge cosmology there are probably 'demons' of different vocations and species that aren't really the same.
 
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Ill note that "demon" seems to be a catch all phrase for all kinds of nasty things that arent specifically anything else.

Also for ghosts its far from that simple. Kravos could at least grow insofar that he stole power from dresden, even if he couldnt change his fundamental nature. And then theres corpsetaker, but she may not have been a normal ghost, given she was already treating bodies as disposable suits for a long time.
 
Ill note that "demon" seems to be a catch all phrase for all kinds of nasty things that arent specifically anything else.

Also for ghosts its far from that simple. Kravos could at least grow insofar that he stole power from dresden, even if he couldnt change his fundamental nature. And then theres corpsetaker, but she may not have been a normal ghost, given she was already treating bodies as disposable suits for a long time.
its not demons are definitely of an area plenty of evil shit explicitly isn't demons.
 
We have a counter-example in this very quest. Dresden was supposed to call Mab with a full expectation that a) she will engage in combat, including in combat against possibly mortal necromancers who took Arawn, and b) that she would exert unnatural mental influence against those in her presence (as she did to us and others, we just blocked it). If you think that unprompted actions of the summon still affect the summoner of the meta-physical level when they aren't directly the intent of summoning, then Dresden was in violation of the Laws here, not on a legal, but on a metaphysical level.
1)You cant compel Mab to show up to the best of my knowledge, let alone bind her to your will. You can compel a demon to do so.
And Mab can come and go from the mortal world at will, and has done so. We SEE her do so.
Most demons require mortals to summon them.

2)Dresden was supposed to call Mab to confront a renegade member of her own Court. Winter Court business.
Furthermore, Mab does not have a history of indiscriminate rampages, which Dresden knows from history and because he has witnessed her coming and going without mortal intervention.

3)UMI is not a thing available to Fae in the Dresdenverse.
Fae glamor isnt UMI, and (most)Fae arent allowed to lol mindcontrol humans anyway.
I think the only ones who might be able to do so are Blampires, and Im not sure about that.

Very different situation.
Mechanics are differemt, culpability is different.
So? Black magic and law breaking are not necessary synonymous. Black magic based on the darker part of the emotional spectrum like fear, lust and anger. When Dresden uses his fear to power a shield, that's black magic, but is not law breaking.
Black magic isn't what Necromancers use as fuel. They use something else, like the Red and Black Court's spellcasters.
There are power sources that favor black magic, or can twist you towards them.
However, black magic isnt intrinsically based on power source, but rather on what you do with it; while many black mages acquire a distinct signature to their magic(see Corpsetaker), black magic is a matter of effect, not power.

Thats why you have Peabody doing black magic on large parts of the White Council for years, if not decades, and neither Mai's wardhounds nor any other wizard ever picks it up.

When Molly did black magic on Rosanna to stop her using drugs, it had nothing to do with any of those emotions;
She was angry at Nathan, however, so the effect was different.

And no, you are mistaken about necromancers; they use whatever power they can get.
It just happens that death and death-associated energies are easiest and cheapest for them to use. Good synergy.
We see Dresden call up Sue in a major act of necromancy. He uses the exact same power source he's always used.

its definitely not considered an outsider breach its definitely considered dangerous, stupid, and possibly evil. Demons are very much part of reality and probably wanna see it continue outsiders don't.
Have you read Cold Case? I quote:
He looked down at my hands and gave me a quick glance; then his expression went focused and stoic and he lay back on the sleet-covered ground.

I did everything I could to shore up the veil covering us both. The captain stepped out of the Elbow Room and looked around, and I got a close look at the man for the first time.

There was visibly something wrong with him. At a casual glance, it might have looked like he'd simply been exposed to a little too much cold and ultraviolet radiation and freezing salt water. But the cracks in his skin were a little too sharp edged, the reddened portions a little too brightly colored for that. I got the slow and horrible impression that his skin was trying to contain too much mass, like an overstuffed sausage. There were what looked like the beginnings of cataracts in his eyes—only their edges quivered and wobbled, like living things.

That was pretty weird, even by my standards.

It got absolutely hentai-level weird when the man opened his mouth and then opened it a little wider, and then opened it until his jaw visibly unhinged and a writhing tangle of purplish red tentacles emerged and thrashed wildly at the air, as if grasping for scents.


I felt my mouth stretch into a widening grin. A sleet storm was a terrible place for scent hunting. I couldn't tell you how I knew that, but I knew it as certainly as I knew that he hadn't noticed the flaws in my veil. This was not the territory of this creature, whatever it was. It was mine.

The tentacles withdrew with a whipping motion, like a frog recovering its tongue. The captain swayed from foot to foot, looking around the night for a moment, and then turned and paced back into the bar. A moment later, the whole weirdly silent column of fisherman freaks, including Clint, marched out of the bar and back down the hill toward the harbor. Clint was walking on his broken knee as if it didn't particularly bother him that it was bent inward like that.

"What the hell?" Carlos breathed as they walked away. "What was that?"

"Right?" I asked him. An absolutely mad giggle came wriggling up out of my belly. "That was the most messed-up thing I have ever seen from that close." I looked down at him, put my hand up to my mouth, and made gargling sounds while wiggling my fingers like tentacles.
THE TRAIL ENDED at a church.

It was a Russian Orthodox church, complete with a couple of onion domes, and the sign out front read HOLY ASCENSION OF OUR LORD CATHEDRAL. It was also creepy and ominous as hell in the freezing night. Odd blue-green light glowed within the windows of the sanctuary. I thought I saw a shadow move past a window, sinuous and smooth, like a cruising shark.

"Oh," Carlos said, stopping short. I could see calculations and connections forming behind his eyes. "Uh-oh."

"What-oh?"

"This just got worse."

"Why?"

He licked his lips nervously. "Uh. How much Lovecraft have you read?"

"I haven't kept track," I said. "Somewhere between zero and none. Should I have?"

"Probably," he said. "It's always the last thing a formally trained apprentice learns about."

"I have a funny feeling my training wasn't formal," I said.

"Yeah. Neither was Harry's. Have you heard of the Old Ones?"

"I don't think it's a very kind nickname for the Rolling Stones. They still put on a great show."

He nodded and squinted at me. "I kind of need you to put on your serious face now."

"That bad?" I asked.

"Maybe," he said. "They're … kind of a collection of entities. Really old, really powerful entities."

"What, like gods?" I asked.

"Like the things gods have nightmares about," he said.

"Outsiders."

He nodded. "Only they aren't outside. They're here. Caged, bound, and sleeping, but they're here."

"That seems kind of dangerous."

"Yes and no," he said. "They feed on psychic energy. On fear. On the collective subconscious awareness of them that exists within humanity."

I squinted at him. "Meaning what?"

"The more people who know about them and fear them, the more awake and more powerful they become," he said. "That's why the people who know about them don't talk about them much."

"What's that got to do with the price of beer in Unalaska?"

"One of the Old Ones is known as the Sleeper. It's said his tomb is somewhere under the Pacific. And that goddamned moron Lovecraft published stories and easy-to-remember rhymes about the thing." He shook his head. "The signal boost gave the Sleeper enough power to influence the world. It has a number of cults. People get … infested, I guess. Slowly go insane. Lose their humanity. Turn into something else."


I remembered the captain's open mouth and writhing tentacles and shivered. "So you think that's what is happening here? A Sleeper cult?"

"It's the Holy Ascension of Our Lord Cathedral," he pointed out. "That means something way different to a Sleeper cultist than it does to most folks. They aren't exactly making it difficult to suss out."

"Okay. So, how does that change anything about what we have to do tonight?"

He nodded toward the cathedral. "You feel that?"

"It's capital-C creepy," I said, and nodded.

"It's worse than that," he said. "It's holy ground. Consecrated to the Sleeper. We go in there, we won't be dealing with a bunch of 'roided-up fishermen with tentacle mouth. They'll have power. It's a nest of sorcerers in there."

"Oh," I said. "Ouch." I thought about it for a moment. "So, how does that change anything about what we have to do tonight?"

He bared his teeth. "Guess it doesn't."

"I guess it doesn't," I agreed.

"You know," he said, "I am pretty damned valorous."

"I know," I said.
TL DR
Not all Old Ones and Outsiders are beyond the Outer Gates.

Ill note that "demon" seems to be a catch all phrase for all kinds of nasty things that arent specifically anything else.

Also for ghosts its far from that simple. Kravos could at least grow insofar that he stole power from dresden, even if he couldnt change his fundamental nature. And then theres corpsetaker, but she may not have been a normal ghost, given she was already treating bodies as disposable suits for a long time.
The various source books seem to disagree, both the novels and the RPG.

Kravos didnt really grow.
He stole Power from Dresden, but he didnt become a better wizard, or better skilled.
Its at least theoretically possible for some ghosts to grow, I think(my opinion). But we havent seen one.

To my understanding?
Corpsetaker wasnt a ghost, Corpsetaker was a disembodied soul.
Kinda like Dresden was in Ghost Story. And Sir Stuart.
 
To my understanding?
Corpsetaker wasnt a ghost, Corpsetaker was a disembodied soul.
Kinda like Dresden was in Ghost Story. And Sir Stuart.
That's at least the mechanical side of it.
In this quest Capri was an almost regular mage who happened to be constantly astral-projecting without a body of her own to anchor her.
 
"One of the Old Ones is known as the Sleeper. It's said his tomb is somewhere under the Pacific. And that goddamned moron Lovecraft published stories and easy-to-remember rhymes about the thing." He shook his head. "The signal boost gave the Sleeper enough power to influence the world. It has a number of cults. People get … infested, I guess. Slowly go insane. Lose their humanity. Turn into something else."

Ah, poor Lovecraft, Wonder how the hell he got accurate enough information on the Old Ones along with being as sane as he was. Unless he was secretly was possessed or had a dangerous affinity with the Old Ones. Along with why the hell they let him die the way he did or why the Archive did not immediately murder him for mentioning them. It is not exactly as if he was hiding it.
 
The various source books seem to disagree, both the novels and the RPG.
The problem is that the books disagree with each other too. I don't have digital copies to quote from, but if you look at the wiki article you can see where the stuff talking about them as a vaguely singular structure cone from the early books, and then it becomes a general term in later ones. I'm pretty sure Harry as much as directly defines the category that way at some point in dead beat.

While it's not direct, you'll also see Butcher referring to the spirit partners of white court vampires and the fallen in the Denarian's coins as demons.

Going back to Dead Beat and Lasciel's shadow, I'm having a debate with the fan who got me into the series is insisting that Dresden accepting help from Lasciel's shadow is completely against character, and will not accept the argument "but he was going to die." Do you have anything else to help justify that change of heart in accepting help from the demon?
Oh, Harry delving into dark dark gray areas in order to get the job done? *smirk* No, I don't think there's any basis for that whatsoever. Although you could argue at the time that Lasciel wasn't necessarily the demon that she was when she got there. Although Dresden didn't know that so it's not really a very good argument. But really, that's a lot of what the series is about, is finding out what is and what he isn't really willing to do for whatever the stakes might be.
And it wasn't like he picked up the coin and turned into dark superman or anything. He just kinda accepted a little help. The problem was that was the whole issue, the demon was a tempter demon who could say "here here's a little help. Oh would you like a little more, here's a little more I'm happy to do that for youuu." It was that kind of situation where it just couldn't have gone anywhere good. And Harry knew that too. The other justification is that, I don't know if you noticed but Harry isn't quite perfect.
Unless we go with the theory that everything nasty that isn't a fey actually works for the devil then there's clearly some terminology issues here.
 
Ah, poor Lovecraft, Wonder how the hell he got accurate enough information on the Old Ones along with being as sane as he was. Unless he was secretly was possessed or had a dangerous affinity with the Old Ones. Along with why the hell they let him die the way he did or why the Archive did not immediately murder him for mentioning them. It is not exactly as if he was hiding it.
I mean, real Lovecraft was propably rather low on sanity for much of his life.
He had a lot of fear, visceral disgust and alienation for everyone around him much of the time (specific groups more than others of course).
He was never capable or willing of taking a job that wasn't staying home and writing, even during the poorest parts of his life.

And then he died early.

Honestly, Lovecraft might be the closest things to a RL-example of someone having seen sanity-shattering things in their dreams and suffering from it.
 
1)You cant compel Mab to show up to the best of my knowledge, let alone bind her to your will. You can compel a demon to do so.
And Mab can come and go from the mortal world at will, and has done so. We SEE her do so.
Most demons require mortals to summon them.
If you had Mab's true name, you absolutely could. And if you are smart enough to trap her in a contract, she would be compelled to follow it.
3)UMI is not a thing available to Fae in the Dresdenverse.
Fae glamor isnt UMI, and (most)Fae arent allowed to lol mindcontrol humans anyway.
I think the only ones who might be able to do so are Blampires, and Im not sure about that.
Here:
When it comes to what Incarna means in Dresdenverse I am thinking more of 'peer of the Yama Kings', beings who hold up the various fundamental functions of reality for better or for worse.

Oh and keep in mind this would have been utterly unwinnable if you did not just nope Mab's UMI from the moment she showed up.
Mechanics are differemt, culpability is different.
Mechanics are pretty much identical.
 
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-Hmm.
Nothing on the semi finallists, but the HMP cyberdevil and map acquisiton seem to have gone without a hitch.
Interesting building layout.

-Dr Marcus is apparently a multi-generational cultist, if that gold mine is correct.
And born the same year that the earlier effort failed.
So yeah, I dont think interrogating him is going to be of much use.

-Tarot room and restricted wing? In a custom built building funded by Pathfinders?

Dollars to donuts this entire building site is a temple/enchanted ritual site, where the relevant cultists will have bonuses to things like DC and magic. It explains why the Reds have declined to hit this place; anyone going in without heavy duty mojo is at a distinct disadvantage.

Its entirely possible every legit employee here is getting mindwhammied on the regular to not notice anything out of the ordinary.

And that means we need to throw out those early conclusions we had about how resident phone calls to their families sounded completely normal meant that there was nothing overt going on.
They could be sacrificing people in the lobby and if the mojo was good enough, no vanilla mortal would remember.

VOTE
[X] Break in to the place 'under renovation'
-[X]Subterfuge Excellency if necessary to blag receptionist
-[X]STUNT: The receptionist looks up and freezes as you loom over her desk, hardhat on head and clipboard in hand, while radiating surety and authority. "Hello there miss..."you say with a brilliant smile while, putting on a show of peering at her nametag "....Sophie? Sophie. Me and my team are here to take a look at the building work. Make sure everything remains up to code for elder care." As her eyes go from Michael's blue collar bulk to rest on Lydia's slighter form, both in high vis jackets and hardhats, you whisper conspiratorially "Intern." You reach over the counter and grab a key card and a couple visitor cards. "We'll be starting with the wing with the construction work. We know the way."



RATIONALE
The good doctor was apparently born into the cult. That essentially writes off any real hope of getting anything out of him.
Especially right here, in what seems to have been a custombuilt temple.
He's going to be punching above his weight in his place of power.

Also, WoG is that there is no obvious security.
I see no reason to waste Essence trying to get the director to talk when we can just walk in and bluff our way into the grounds with a clipboard and a sure manner. Go see whats in the closed wing.

Extra bonus that we can get the director to come meet us there.
Plus, Michael is a carpenter and building contractor by trade and experience.
Figuring out whats up with a "closed for renovations" building wing is right up his alley.
 
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That's a bad idea. Not only does this put us on the hook for the entirely mundane crime of fraud (impersonating the inspectors), it also alerts them way too early. The likely outcome here is the police gets called in. Plus, we look way too young for this to work. We don't have disguise charms. Also, this gives them time to move anything they need out of the way, hide stuff, etc. No, it's a bad idea.
He's going to be punching above his weight in his place of power.
Even if he is, we are an intimidation aspected exalt, and he's likely a creature of darkness. I am confident in our chances.
 
That's at least the mechanical side of it. In this quest Capri was an almost regular mage who happened to be constantly astral-projecting without a body of her own to anchor her.
Less astral projecting, and more disembodied.
Ah, poor Lovecraft, Wonder how the hell he got accurate enough information on the Old Ones along with being as sane as he was. Unless he was secretly was possessed or had a dangerous affinity with the Old Ones. Along with why the hell they let him die the way he did or why the Archive did not immediately murder him for mentioning them. It is not exactly as if he was hiding it.
There's always cracks in the Outer Gates; thats how the Walkers got in.
I assume some of the prisons for those Old Ones inside the Gates arent perfect either. The Archive isnt perfect, and in the early 20th century it was a lot harder to send agents around than now with all the flights.

Someone allegedly murdered the fuck out of Lovecraft in this universe as well, after he published.
Whether its reprisal, or because he was going to release more stuff, is unknown.
The problem is that the books disagree with each other too. I don't have digital copies to quote from, but if you look at the wiki article you can see where the stuff talking about them as a vaguely singular structure cone from the early books, and then it becomes a general term in later ones. I'm pretty sure Harry as much as directly defines the category that way at some point in dead beat.

While it's not direct, you'll also see Butcher referring to the spirit partners of white court vampires and the fallen in the Denarian's coins as demons.


Unless we go with the theory that everything nasty that isn't a fey actually works for the devil then there's clearly some terminology issues here.
The impression I got is that Dresden's inexperience shows in the earlier books.
He gets progressively more precise in the later books.

If you had Mab's true name, you absolutely could. And if you are smart enough to trap her in a contract, she would be compelled to follow it.

Here:


Mechanics are pretty much identical.
1)If you had Mab's True Name, you could TRY. See how every summoning involves a battle of wills.
And getting Mab into a contract against her will is arguably more dangerous to you than her.
Ask Nicodemus how it turned out for him.

2)Yes. Against Molly.
Whether Molly counts as mortal for the purposes of Fae magic remains to be seen.

3)Strongly disagree.

That's a bad idea. Not only does this put us on the hook for the entirely mundane crime of fraud (impersonating the inspectors), it also alerts them way too early. The likely outcome here is the police gets called in. Plus, we look way too young for this to work. We don't have disguise charms. Also, this gives them time to move anything they need out of the way, hide stuff, etc. No, it's a bad idea.

Even if he is, we are an intimidation aspected exalt, and he's likely a creature of darkness. I am confident in our chances.
1)No it doesnt. We have not claimed to be from the city. We have flashed no ID cards. We didnt even give our name.
Thats the power of a clipboard and the right accoutrements and manner. Pen testers use the same method to get into banks.
The most you can claim is misdemeanor trespass.

Ive deliberately avoided lying to spare Michael's sensibilities.

2)We want a reaction.
And we're not giving them time to do anything; we're literally walking in and looking in.
As opposed to going to the director's office to attempt to talk.

3) A site thats up to no good is not calling police onsite.
Especially given that they almost certainly have stuff onsite in the closed wing.

4) We dont know that he is a creature of darkness.
We dont know what his powerset looks like, and what defenses he inherited as a third generation cultist.
And its literally word of QM in this quest that Intimacies boost Willpower rolls.

We're a mediumsize fish with the potential to become a Big Fish.
There's always a bigger fish.
I 100% believe uju's plan will work so long as we get a hard hat, hi vis vest and ladder to bring along :V
Good point :V.
Will edit that in. Michael does carpentry and building contracting; he should have some of those in his truck.
 
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[X] Break in to the place 'under renovation'
-[X]Subterfuge Excellency if necessary to blag receptionist
-[X]STUNT: The receptionist looks up and freezes as you loom over her desk, hardhat on head and clipboard in hand, while radiating surety and authority. "Hello there miss..."you say with a brilliant smile while, putting on a show of peering at her nametag "....Sophie? Sophie. Me and my team are here to take a look at the building work. Make sure everything remains up to code for elder care." As her eyes go from Michael's blue collar bulk to rest on Lydia's slighter form, both in high vis jackets and hardhats, you whisper conspiratorially "Intern." You reach over the counter and grab a key card and a couple visitor cards. "We'll be starting with the wing with the construction work. We know the way."
 
Someone allegedly murdered the fuck out of Lovecraft in this universe as well, after he published.
Whether its reprisal, or because he was going to release more stuff, is unknown.

How did they murder him and when could they do so?
We literally know that he died from terminal cancer at least in our World which is trivial to solve for the Old Ones to solve for the person who gained the Direct attention of them by awakening them the way he did.
Along with that we do know he stopped writing at least in our World due to his declining health which does not seem to be something the Old Ones who allow. Thoughts?

n late 1936, he witnessed the publication of The Shadow over Innsmouth as a paperback book.[d] 400 copies were printed, and the work was advertised in Weird Tales and several fan magazines. However, Lovecraft was displeased, as this book was riddled with errors that required extensive editing. It sold slowly and only approximately 200 copies were bound. The remaining 200 copies were destroyed after the publisher went out of business for the next seven years. By this point, Lovecraft's literary career was reaching its end. Shortly after having written his last original short story, "The Haunter of the Dark", he stated that the hostile reception of At the Mountains of Madness had done "more than anything to end my effective fictional career". His declining psychological and physical states made it impossible for him to continue writing fiction.[12

On June 11, Robert E. Howard was informed that his chronically ill mother would not awaken from her coma. He walked out to his car and committed suicide with a pistol that he had stored there. His mother died shortly thereafter.[121] This deeply affected Lovecraft, who consoled Howard's father through correspondence. Almost immediately after hearing about Howard's death, Lovecraft wrote a brief memoir titled "In Memoriam: Robert Ervin Howard", which he distributed to his correspondents.[122] Meanwhile, Lovecraft's physical health was deteriorating. He was suffering from an affliction that he referred to as "grippe".[e][124]

Due to his fear of doctors, Lovecraft was not examined until a month before his death. After seeing a doctor, he was diagnosed with terminal cancer of the small intestine.[125] He remained hospitalized until he died. He lived in constant pain until his death on March 15, 1937, in Providence. In accordance with his lifelong scientific curiosity, he kept a diary of his illness until he was physically incapable of holding a pen.[126] Lovecraft was listed along with his parents on the Phillips family monument.
 
1)No it doesnt. We have not claimed to be from the city. We have flashed no ID cards. We didnt even give our name.
Thats the power of a clipboard and the right accoutrements and manner. Pen testers use the same method to get into banks.
The most you can claim is misdemeanor trespass.

Ive deliberately avoided lying to spare Michael's sensibilities.

2)We want a reaction.
And we're not giving them time to do anything; we're literally walking in and looking in.
As opposed to going to the director's office to attempt to talk.

3) A site thats up to no good is not calling police onsite.
Especially given that they almost certainly have stuff onsite in the closed wing.

4) We dont know that he is a creature of darkness.
We dont know what his powerset looks like, and what defenses he inherited as a third generation cultist.
And its literally word of QM in this quest that Intimacies boost Willpower rolls.

We're a mediumsize fish with the potential to become a Big Fish.
There's always a bigger fish.
This ends with police being called on us. Or combat breaking out immediately. We might be able to push past the receptionist (and even that's not a given, depending of how competent she is, and how deep in the cult). We aren't getting out without combat, or with intel.
 
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