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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
"Well that brings to mind a lot of anxieties about you going off to college," your dad breaks the silence, the strain around the edges of his smile making it clear he's only half joking, even if his present worries may not be about college exactly.
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^^^
For the people who havent noticed.
And it says something about our level of trust to our entourage if we are still walking around in warform in a place where we claim to be in charge.

Besides, its not like Molly needs this shit to overawe people who already count as Creatures of Darkness according to the QM.
Demonic Primacy of Essence applies.


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[X] Leave aside garb of brass and basalt and from your head dismiss the crown, a less intimidating guise for what you hope will be a friendly talk
 
[X] Leave aside garb of brass and basalt and from your head dismiss the crown, a less intimidating guise for what you hope will be a friendly talk
 
Yog said:
Oh, that's an interesting idea. You could tell them not to do something for a year, like avoiding saying the word banana. That works as an escape.
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"You know, having a safeword kind of confirms that this whole thing is a really elaborate BDSM roleplay..."
Nyarky said:
Tempting Lash when then? :V
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We kind of already are. We just don't see the aftereffects.

That said, with the way things are going, she will almost certainly end up incarnating at least as much as Bob currently is. Eventually. Regardless of how wise the decision is.
 
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Modus_Tollens said:
We kind of already are. We just don't see the aftereffects.

That said, with the way things are going, she will almost certainly end up incarnating at least as much as Bob currently is. Eventually.
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Oh if Lash had managed to incarnate herself just then and immediately kill herself she might have been able to reform somewhere else in our hell as her own person without Dresden.
 
fictionfan said:
Oh if Lash had managed to incarnate herself just then and immediately kill herself she might have been able to reform somewhere else in our hell as her own person without Dresden.
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Well it depends on what she would have been at that point. Molly is not sure how connected they are on a spiritual level. That said it seems like just randomly incarnating herself would also be a problem since she would have to get the actual flesh and bone/matter from somewhere.
 
fictionfan said:
Oh if Lash had managed to incarnate herself just then and immediately kill herself she might have been able to reform somewhere else in our hell as her own person without Dresden.
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This early in the game, yeah, that wouldn't be great. The wedge between her and her 'true' self is not yet large enough. One hell of a way to release a serpent into paradise...

Eventually, though, the woman will probably be a net positive force. Not redeemed, exactly, but whatever the hell you consider the Grigori. Until then its her attachment to Harry that is giving her a shot at being more than she is.
DragonParadox said:
Well it depends on what she would have been at that point. Molly is not sure how connected they are on a spiritual level. That said it seems like just randomly incarnating herself would also be a problem since she would have to get the actual flesh and bone/matter from somewhere.
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If she even formed with image but without body it would be terrifying enough. Pulling something like Iblis with a form of smokeless fire.

Its probably the closest approximation to her current state that could be observed without having to crawl inside somebody's head.
 
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I want to do the exorcism on Harry before we leave. Our people should be able to manage at least a temporary containment.
 
fictionfan said:
I want to do the exorcism on Harry before we leave. Our people should be able to manage at least a temporary containment.
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First off, I wouldn't do that to Harry. He's having to process a lot right now and he needs time to come to terms with it. Throwing more kindling on the pyre will cause him to panic, shut down, or go into instinctive problem fixing mode... which ends poorly. He cares for us but his fixing the problem would not be fixing a problem.

Second, I wouldn't do that to Lash. Harry is her chance at becoming something resembling a decent person that God might outright forgive. She still has a ways to go even if I eventually want to make her a friend. I just wish we could fucking see and talk to her.

Third, I would not do that to this realm. I won't underestimate her and there is a chance she would wriggle out of even our bonds and she is not yet someone I would risk being on the loose.
 
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[X] Leave aside garb of brass and basalt and from your head dismiss the crown, a less intimidating guise for what you hope will be a friendly talk

Best to be clear this is an informal gathering.
 
I'd be kinda interested what would happen to Lash if we excorcised her here.
Not like she could just return to the coin.

She'd be a spirit, or maybe possess something else, like a nearby tablet?
 
[X] Enter the meeting in full regalia, they expect an Empress after all

First impressions are Important, with a capital "I".
During the meeting we can drop the regalia to make the meeting a more informal one, but introduction needs to set the accents right, in my opinion, and this is that Molly is the Empress here.
 
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tenchifew said:
[X] Enter the meeting in full regalia, they expect an Empress after all

First impressions are Important, with a capital "I".
During the meeting we can drop the regalia to make the meeting a more informal one, but introduction needs to set the accents right, in my opinion, and this is that Molly is the Empress here.
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1) First impressions were on the broadcast that Molly made


2) Again, WoG is that these people largely count as Creatures of Darkness.
That means that Demonic Primacy of Essence applies its -2DC buff to social interactions, on top of the 2-point Committed we paid for when speccing this Hell.

Molly could walk into a meeting in flip-flops and booty shorts and it wouldnt make a difference to them.
Unless you think these people are going to try and kill her.


The consensus is to buy a Hell where Molly is supposed to be a religious figure of veneration instead of a secular head of state.
And people forget that religious/messianic figure for Molly means the dude who wore rough linen and washed people's feet.
Not someone who tries to cow or intimidate her underlings on their first meeting.

Think back to our first meeting with the Jade Dogs.
Or with Cauldron.
Molly's instincts are to calm people down, not to demand respect and shit.
 
[X] Leave aside garb of brass and basalt and from your head dismiss the crown, a less intimidating guise for what you hope will be a friendly talk
 
[X] Leave aside garb of brass and basalt and from your head dismiss the crown, a less intimidating guise for what you hope will be a friendly talk
 
uju32 said:
1) First impressions were on the broadcast that Molly made


2) Again, WoG is that these people largely count as Creatures of Darkness.
That means that Demonic Primacy of Essence applies its -2DC buff to social interactions, on top of the 2-point Committed we paid for when speccing this Hell.

Molly could walk into a meeting in flip-flops and booty shorts and it wouldnt make a difference to them.
Unless you think these people are going to try and kill her.


The consensus is to buy a Hell where Molly is supposed to be a religious figure of veneration instead of a secular head of state.
And people forget that religious/messianic figure for Molly means the dude who wore rough linen and washed people's feet.
Not someone who tries to cow or intimidate her underlings on their first meeting.

Think back to our first meeting with the Jade Dogs.
Or with Cauldron.
Molly's instincts are to calm people down, not to demand respect and shit.
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And she can calm them down afterwards, by shedding her regalia during the meeting, as I said already in my post above.
But being the chef means you have certain responsibilities, and taking your job seriously and actually showing it is one of them.
I had worked with a lot of people over the years, and chefs who came to first project meetings in t-shirts and crocs were usually among the worst.
Veneration only goes so far and should not be misused as a crutch.
 
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[X] Enter the meeting in full regalia, they expect an Empress after all

We can and should go more casual later, but that casualness needs to be relative to a powerful first impression. Also, if we are meeting with professional leaders, then we are not doing them a kindness by looking like we need to be taught to take things seriously.

Artemis1992 said:
People from our Hell will be completly unsuited to produce media for the American audience.
You need some cultural touchstones and similarities to make something that people feel anything about.
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Anything written by their best would probably win both Hugo and Nebula for the sheer originality, and make us known in certain circles, but it wouldn't be the next Harry Potter, yeah.
 
I do wonder how they will react when they realize our age. It won't make them not worshipful of up, but there is a big difference between a timeless god-queen who crafted your realm with intent and a newborn creator deity who formed you in a moment of emotion in the pattern of a dream.

Also, really looking forward to all the culture clash, like how the Courts will look at mortal schools that try to rush skills as much as they can to prepare for adulthood compared to the schools in the courts where there is no real rush and you can spend literal lifetimes in learning.
 
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If you guys really do want to translate and transfer art I should really get to that language info post. Not everyone speaks Seeker Speech, that is a combination of Latin as a liturgical language and the language of techno-sorcery because most of the people doing the bindings in the early days were... Ah well I will spare that for the post and for when it is not 11:23. :V
 
Artemis1992 said:
People from our Hell will be completly unsuited to produce media for the American audience.
You need some cultural touchstones and similarities to make something that people feel anything about.

At the very best they'd be working at a huge penalty, more likely I'd call it impossible.
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I would not categorically say it would be impossible, but it would be a very significant challenge, yes. It would probably be not unlike how I read my first xianxia - I did not understand a lot of underlying principles due to culture clash and had to look up a lot of information that would be obvious to anyone with a "fitting" cultural background.

This said, I read "Lord of the Rings" as I was, I think, eleven. I was raised in a very different culture from Tolkien and thus did not get a lot of references that are obvious to me now, and back then internet wasn't around to just get the necessary information, but it did nothing to lower my enjoyment of the book, it arguably added to it, making it this little bit more mysterious.
I remember till now this magical moment as I got my hands on the book and left the bookstore. I did not have the patience to return home, just sat on a bench outside the store and read for hours, even ignoring the beginning rain and only leaving as it rained hard enough that the pages began to get too wet to read and turn easily. This was a book of magical discovery to me.
Thus sufficient quality can transcend cultural boundaries in my opinion.
 
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