Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job

This is a little much, but it's also essentially what we asked her to do in the first place. Getting contradictory is bad leadership, so we should acknowledge she did the job and then be more specific about boundary conditions for our jobs in the future.

Unrelated, but her hunting ground pecking order but here reminded me of something.

Did we get a ruling on if she can learn other feeding styles while under MiS? I know she can't get past her need for a full human life right now, but being able to feed off crowds in horror movies would let her accumulate useful levels of power faster than she can at the moment.

The Malvora skill set is really the easiest to use without skeevy or soul destroying consequences, so spreading it around our white court goons so they can use it as a bread and butter feeding system should probably go on the to do list.

We have money now, so we could at up some enhanced feeding operations for them too. Movie theatres that happen to always show at least a few horror movies in theatres built with exalted crafting to enhance the experience.

A whole slew of haunted house type places similarly built to be scary as hell to run around Halloween would be good too. White vamps are basically camels, so meeting a bulk of their basic needs once a year is potentially viable*.

We could probably do scary escape rooms year round at significantly less throughput too, and every little bit counts.

The least comfortable and most ethical option would be to find freaky fetishists on the internet.

I'm not comfortable with the idea of using the Raith setup for that, because they can basically write anything like that straight into your brain, but in the teeming masses of humanity there's someone with a kink for anything you can imagine. See that German cannibal who's victim was into it and went out of his way to get eaten.

With the power of cyber devils we can potentially find a few people who'd enthusiastically consent to regular feedings. The damage from which we can potentially offset via potions. There probably aren't a lot of them, but we don't need that many.


* Ethically speaking this is a grey area at best, but I think it's at least arguably reasonable that if we get people to show up specifically to be scared a supernatural effect applied lightly enough to be effectively harmless that specifically facilities that is mostly fair.


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We should also work to get out minions something useful and engaging to do that involves regular society.

Not in a maximize profits sense, though that is something I'm keeping an eye on, but a psychological one.

Our ghouls and white court exiles have been living apart from baseline humans for a while now, and it's easy to see how the conditions they were forced into can take them from being like Sarah to being like Adam.

Regular engagement with normal humans that is self evidently useful to them seems like the best way to resocialize our predatory goons. The mortals in our group help, but they're also easy to mentally recategorize as in group exceptions.

It doesn't actually have to make us anything as long as there's a hook to keep them from feeling like they're wasting time or that the topsiders are useless cattle.

White Court Vampires can indeed learn other feeding styles under MiS, but they need a teacher able to do so. A fledgling that is someone without a discipline at least at 3 cannot teach it.
 
Shame that training charms only allow for teaching mortal skills. Not monstrous skills which is weird now that I think about it considering Infernal.

@DragonParadox : If we learned the Infernal training charm could we teach a vampire how to feed on souls? Seems like a really bad idea, but that's Infernals for you.
 
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Shame that training charms only allow for teaching mortal skills. Not monstrous skills which is weird now that I think about it considering Infernal.

@DragonParadox : If we learned the Infernal training charm could we teach a vampire how to feed on souls? Seems like a really bad idea, but that's Infernals for you.

No, they do not have the conceptual weight, maybe someone like Leinth an elder with a bent for the occult could get something out of it, but not normal young vampires.
 
Ok so if we are going to say good job to Isabella. What do we give her as her next assignment? I gather implicit in the minion arrangement is that we need to give her duties or missions. So what next? Have her help with the Jade Dogs somehow?
 
Ok so if we are going to say good job to Isabella. What do we give her as her next assignment? I gather implicit in the minion arrangement is that we need to give her duties or missions. So what next? Have her help with the Jade Dogs somehow?
Tell her to get ready to graduate?

She's our age, she's only a class back because her tutoring focussed on weird stuff that is not test-relevant to normal schools.
If she spends the year catching up she could test out at the time of our exams, rather than waste another year here after Molly goes on.
 
Tell her to get ready to graduate?

She's our age, she's only a class back because her tutoring focussed on weird stuff that is not test-relevant to normal schools.
If she spends the year catching up she could test out at the time of our exams, rather than waste another year here after Molly goes on.
Does that actually make her more useful to us? I don't think that we actually care all that much about her academic success. There is a reason that she hasn't bothered with formal education until now.
 
Does that actually make her more useful to us? I don't think that we actually care all that much about her academic success.
Right, propably not.

Her original plan (or her father's plan for her) was propably to be homeschooled until she could test out anyway and then have her start on something in the family business.

Maybe just have her take an internship at our company (which we gave a very forgettable name, so I have forgotten it) and then let her play personal assistant?
She does seem to have enough social skills and smarts to be useful in a general way.
 
Right, propably not.

Her original plan (or her father's plan for her) was propably to be homeschooled until she could test out anyway and then have her start on something in the family business.

Maybe just have her take an internship at our company (which we gave a very forgettable name, so I have forgotten it) and then let her play personal assistant?
She does seem to have enough social skills and smarts to be useful in a general way.
Interning her under Thomas might lead to some personal issues. Likely more from Thomas then Isabela.

I kind of want to assign her to doing the legwork of finding where Broken Seeker is, but that is a dangerous job and I don't know if I trust her to be careful enough. Still feeding her Broken Seeker would be a way to power level her.
 
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I kind of want to assign her to doing the legwork of finding where Broken Seeker is, but that is a dangerous job and I don't know if I trust her to be careful enough.
I'd really rather avoid that.
The Naagloshii is not just any monster, it's smart enough to notice questions being asked and definitly inclined to use our minion as bait for us, or just kill her to hurt us.
 
@DragonParadox if you don't mind, I had some question in regards to excellencies. Previously, you said that excellencies applied to some extended actions, like crafting (including, I note, alchemy, i.e. magical crafting), but not to others (like the exorcism Ancient Magic). What is the criterion? My guess would be "is there an actively opposing force for this action?", so, for example, we could use the excellency to give a speech longer than two minutes (we were able to use excellencies to help Maria tell her husband-to-be about magic), but if we were in a debate with a non-mook (i.e. a situation where the debate would actually be written out), we'd probably need to use excellencies multiple times, because that's basically social combat. Or is the criterion more of a narrative weight of the action? On the other hand, excellencies almost certainly should apply to charm uses (i.e. if you use a single charm, you should be able to amplify its use with a single excellency), even if the charm is a prolonged action, like Latter-Day Devil Implants. In that case the excellency is probably hitching a ride on the charm structure itself to extend its power.

The reason I am asking is to understand whether the excellencies would apply to Prayer Eating, and in general to deepen my understanding.
 
Ancient Sorcery is special, it is the very the edge of your magic clawing against the foundations of the world and leaving marks upon that which should be ever pristine. You cannot say 'I am exalted thus my deeds are peerless' when to even use the spell you must function on that level. The same would apply to other high level rituals but other than that you get your excellencies including in crafting charms.
 
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job

Its kosher and is certainly reasonable from the extreme perspective of someone who lives in a world founded on atrocities. She's playing nice, gentler than I expected actually, and I'm not going to complain.
 
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job

I get that Isabella suggested it to them, indirectly, but they have their own free will. They thought it was a good idea and they went through with it.

In other words, this is a petard of their own making. So... get hoisted, assholes.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Apr 24, 2023 at 12:13 AM, finished with 46 posts and 22 votes.
 
Tricking someone with a disguise is so much easier than convincing them of something. Because no matter how convincing you are the other person can go "na ah". Well seeing though a disguise isn't something that you can power though with willpower.
 
Just finished the first arc for my other quest Finding the Spark, about a band of underground dwelling misfits in pathfinder's Golarion
It's been a ton of fun so far.

The party consists of a Caligni Shadow Oracle, Lizardfolk Ranger, Goblin Rogue, and Changeling Witch. We also have a giant frog monster as a mount/pack animal/attack beast. Appropriately, he is named Warty.
 
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job

This is quite legitimately self-inflicted, and gives them more chances to, well, not be terrible than I would have gone with. Extremely well done on her part, I'm actually impressed.
 
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"I finally got emancipated," Lydia half-shouts over the loud dance music.
"Oh so that's why you were so happy, I was starting to wonder if I should be seriously questioning Daniel."
Forgot to bring this up, but its finally happened.
So Lydia can legally make her own decisions without worrying about being bothered by CPS.

COMMENTARY
1)Going to note that here we have an example of sensory powers allowing a supernatural to see through a disguise.
We might want to look into one of the stealth/disguise charms if we intend to do any infiltrating, rather than relying on just mundane disguise to see us through.


2) I dont really approve. I objected to siccing Isabella on them in the first place.
This would be as much entrapment as going and encouraging a bunch of white supremacists to attack a black church and then arresting them for it, and we decided IRL that this was a Bad Thing.

But thats on us for not defining limits, not on Isabella.


3)That said, this isnt likely to see them expelled.
Suspended? Almost definitely. Having to pay to fix the car? Yes. Pissed off parents and family? Probably.
Under the close eye of the school administration for the rest of their HS career? Yes.

Expelled? No. Might even get them street cred.

The Chicago Police Department is certainly not going to do a forensic sweep on a car prank.
But the school probably can seize and look at phone contents for stuff like text messages and emails, assuming they arent locked.
Even though the results of such a search would probably be inadmissible in court.

Either way, it formally brings them to the school administration's notice in a manner they cant ignore. Parents too.
If they're just dumb kids being assholes who need a whack for redirection, that should be enough.


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[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Apr 24, 2023 at 10:28 AM, finished with 54 posts and 24 votes.
 
Does that actually make her more useful to us? I don't think that we actually care all that much about her academic success. There is a reason that she hasn't bothered with formal education until now.
We do have a responsibility to her as well.
And Im not sure what she would gain by being in high school after we leave if she can just test out and apply to college at the same time we do.

I dont know about Thomas, who is atypical anyway because of how Papa Raith treated every one of his male children.
But every other White we've gotten a look at in detail went on to further education.

Connie Barrowhill was in college.
Inari Raith graduated college iirc before interning for a porn studio. In Jury Duty, Tania Raith graduated law school before ending up in the Chicago DA's office.

The Malvora Curtis Black in the same Jury Duty short story was a stockbroker, meaning he graduated with at least one degree and passed the licensing requiremebts before being snapped up by a trading firm.

The White Court appears to go to some effort to acclimate their young to human society at an early age.
We cant do less for her than the Whamps can.Not to mention she's at least a year older than Molly, while attending a class below, which means she's probably two years or more older than most of her HS classmates.

I dont see her returning here in the next academic year.
 
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