Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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Being Clark Kent in a place where there are a lot of people who know you is hard. Once you establish Margret getting back in the disguise will only be DC 7, 6 with BSM
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- Florida
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
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As a note it should be Tyler not Taylor in the vote 
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- She/Her
Well, this seems fine for her to do to me? I mean, correct me if I'm misreading, but she didn't even frame them, did she?
No, but she did actively encourage them to do it to some extent.
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- Germany
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
Sounds good.
Let's look at the checklist:
Gets the Job done: Check.
Is proportionate: Considering that the selfie-guy could be dead without Molly, check.
Doesn't break our rules: Check.
All fine so far.
She used theclassical Whampire social manipulation (on an exceedingly easy target admittedly), only for slightly unusual results and she worked the whole thing into a decent plan.
Sounds good.
Let's look at the checklist:
Gets the Job done: Check.
Is proportionate: Considering that the selfie-guy could be dead without Molly, check.
Doesn't break our rules: Check.
All fine so far.
She used theclassical Whampire social manipulation (on an exceedingly easy target admittedly), only for slightly unusual results and she worked the whole thing into a decent plan.
[X] No one's physically hurt and Taylor and his buddies are assholes, good job
-[x] Next time, though, don't encourage them.
-[x] Next time, though, don't encourage them.
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
I mean it would have been nice if Isabella could have provoked a redemption arc, but that might have been a bit too much to ask.
I mean it would have been nice if Isabella could have provoked a redemption arc, but that might have been a bit too much to ask.
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They do seems to all agree, it's absolutely a great idea!
Encouraged yes, but *look at dices*, she didn't use much charm there, mostly seems to be normal if enhanced charisma, seems legit to me, they pretty much did it to themselves if they got all the way and never ever thought that it would be a bad idea.
Especially since it wasn't what we asked of her anyway.
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
About as good a result as could be expected, we can't expect her to work miracles after all and while their chances of a good life outcome will go down the removal of their negative influence on the school makes up for it I think.
Might be worth setting up some sort of reform program in the city for people who get expelled though but that sort of thing is a long ways in the future.
About as good a result as could be expected, we can't expect her to work miracles after all and while their chances of a good life outcome will go down the removal of their negative influence on the school makes up for it I think.
Might be worth setting up some sort of reform program in the city for people who get expelled though but that sort of thing is a long ways in the future.
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
Yeah I'm of two minds on this. On one hand, it's difficult to feel sympathy for the bullies in this instance, they barely needed any noose in order to hang themselves in such a catastrophic way, and thoroughly earned every fragment of the consequences coming their way. On the other hand, I (and Molly) generally value restorative justice over retributive justice. Getting expelled probably isn't going to make the bullies reconsider their behavior, it'll just make them self-destruct harder and faster.
Then again, none of this is Isabela's fault, everything she did is perfectly in line with our instructions, which were to "make sure the assholes who bullied that kind into falling out the window for a selfie never do anything like that again." Tie that in with her impression of us as a hell-goddess and she clearly assumed-- correctly-- that we wanted them punished harshly.
Perhaps in future cases, we should be clearer with our orders, especially if our goal is to redeem creatures of the night rather than use them as leashed attack dogs, but I find it difficult to blame Isabela in this case or to expend effort intervening on behalf of the bullies. Maybe next time we sic Izzy on someone we should have the 'restorative vs retributive' conversation, but it wouldn't do to send mixed signals by punishing our minion for fulfilling our instructions to the letter.
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
[X] No one's physically hurt and Tyler and his buddies are assholes, good job
This is a little much, but it's also essentially what we asked her to do in the first place. Getting contradictory is bad leadership, so we should acknowledge she did the job and then be more specific about boundary conditions for our jobs in the future.
Did we get a ruling on if she can learn other feeding styles while under MiS? I know she can't get past her need for a full human life right now, but being able to feed off crowds in horror movies would let her accumulate useful levels of power faster than she can at the moment.
The Malvora skill set is really the easiest to use without skeevy or soul destroying consequences, so spreading it around our white court goons so they can use it as a bread and butter feeding system should probably go on the to do list.
We have money now, so we could at up some enhanced feeding operations for them too. Movie theatres that happen to always show at least a few horror movies in theatres built with exalted crafting to enhance the experience.
A whole slew of haunted house type places similarly built to be scary as hell to run around Halloween would be good too. White vamps are basically camels, so meeting a bulk of their basic needs once a year is potentially viable*.
We could probably do scary escape rooms year round at significantly less throughput too, and every little bit counts.
The least comfortable and most ethical option would be to find freaky fetishists on the internet.
I'm not comfortable with the idea of using the Raith setup for that, because they can basically write anything like that straight into your brain, but in the teeming masses of humanity there's someone with a kink for anything you can imagine. See that German cannibal who's victim was into it and went out of his way to get eaten.
With the power of cyber devils we can potentially find a few people who'd enthusiastically consent to regular feedings. The damage from which we can potentially offset via potions. There probably aren't a lot of them, but we don't need that many.
* Ethically speaking this is a grey area at best, but I think it's at least arguably reasonable that if we get people to show up specifically to be scared a supernatural effect applied lightly enough to be effectively harmless that specifically facilities that is mostly fair.
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This is a little much, but it's also essentially what we asked her to do in the first place. Getting contradictory is bad leadership, so we should acknowledge she did the job and then be more specific about boundary conditions for our jobs in the future.
Unrelated, but her hunting ground pecking order but here reminded me of something.
Did we get a ruling on if she can learn other feeding styles while under MiS? I know she can't get past her need for a full human life right now, but being able to feed off crowds in horror movies would let her accumulate useful levels of power faster than she can at the moment.
The Malvora skill set is really the easiest to use without skeevy or soul destroying consequences, so spreading it around our white court goons so they can use it as a bread and butter feeding system should probably go on the to do list.
We have money now, so we could at up some enhanced feeding operations for them too. Movie theatres that happen to always show at least a few horror movies in theatres built with exalted crafting to enhance the experience.
A whole slew of haunted house type places similarly built to be scary as hell to run around Halloween would be good too. White vamps are basically camels, so meeting a bulk of their basic needs once a year is potentially viable*.
We could probably do scary escape rooms year round at significantly less throughput too, and every little bit counts.
The least comfortable and most ethical option would be to find freaky fetishists on the internet.
I'm not comfortable with the idea of using the Raith setup for that, because they can basically write anything like that straight into your brain, but in the teeming masses of humanity there's someone with a kink for anything you can imagine. See that German cannibal who's victim was into it and went out of his way to get eaten.
With the power of cyber devils we can potentially find a few people who'd enthusiastically consent to regular feedings. The damage from which we can potentially offset via potions. There probably aren't a lot of them, but we don't need that many.
* Ethically speaking this is a grey area at best, but I think it's at least arguably reasonable that if we get people to show up specifically to be scared a supernatural effect applied lightly enough to be effectively harmless that specifically facilities that is mostly fair.
Spoilered for irrelevance reasons:
We should also work to get out minions something useful and engaging to do that involves regular society.
Not in a maximize profits sense, though that is something I'm keeping an eye on, but a psychological one.
Our ghouls and white court exiles have been living apart from baseline humans for a while now, and it's easy to see how the conditions they were forced into can take them from being like Sarah to being like Adam.
Regular engagement with normal humans that is self evidently useful to them seems like the best way to resocialize our predatory goons. The mortals in our group help, but they're also easy to mentally recategorize as in group exceptions.
It doesn't actually have to make us anything as long as there's a hook to keep them from feeling like they're wasting time or that the topsiders are useless cattle.
Not in a maximize profits sense, though that is something I'm keeping an eye on, but a psychological one.
Our ghouls and white court exiles have been living apart from baseline humans for a while now, and it's easy to see how the conditions they were forced into can take them from being like Sarah to being like Adam.
Regular engagement with normal humans that is self evidently useful to them seems like the best way to resocialize our predatory goons. The mortals in our group help, but they're also easy to mentally recategorize as in group exceptions.
It doesn't actually have to make us anything as long as there's a hook to keep them from feeling like they're wasting time or that the topsiders are useless cattle.
We should send some of our ghouls to eating contests.
Not sure if that would really help them respect mortals, but it's definitely a start.
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The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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As a note it should be Tyler not Taylor in the vote
So you're a Worm fan on a site that has an entire sub-forum for that setting. How is this bad?
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- Germany
I think DP clarified that Whites deal their feeding-damage in WP.
So normal feeding should heal pretty quickly, leaving only emotional symptoms that we can't fix via potions, while overfeeding goes into the permanent WP, which we can't help at all.