Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Give a full accounting, including the fact that something inhuman must have bound her powers at some point in this state
 
[X] Give a full accounting, including the fact that something inhuman must have bound her powers at some point in this state
-[X] Offer your help investigating the perpetrator
 
I am surprised how little killing Molly does. I didn't spend the time to read the discussion but I am not sure why the option was chosen to take the Akuma prisoners and foist them on the Library. I have an imperfect understanding of them but they hurt Molly's people and aren't they evil why don't the monsters get killed?
 
I am surprised how little killing Molly does. I didn't spend the time to read the discussion but I am not sure why the option was chosen to take the Akuma prisoners and foist them on the Library. I have an imperfect understanding of them but they hurt Molly's people and aren't they evil why don't the monsters get killed?

I think the social engagement with Eiko had something to do with it. You cannot get that deep into someone's head, literally reading their greatest regret and shame and them conclude that her entire class of beings is irredeemable, especially since what Molly saw there was an offer of redemption among other things

That is not to say there wasn't a serious lobby for killing them anyway, just what I recall of the reasoning given in that vote.
 
I am surprised how little killing Molly does. I didn't spend the time to read the discussion but I am not sure why the option was chosen to take the Akuma prisoners and foist them on the Library. I have an imperfect understanding of them but they hurt Molly's people and aren't they evil why don't the monsters get killed?
There was a number of factors, including "we have an officer of American law who we are trying to be friendly to looking right now".

Also, the aiuma we spared were mostly unwilling slaves - literally souls duped into signing their freedom away under false pretenses.

We killed the mastermind.
 
[X] Give a full accounting, including the fact that something inhuman must have bound her powers at some point in this state
-[X] Offer your help investigating the perpetrator
 
@DragonParadox, what exactly did we discover about the nature of Olivia's other power(s)? Telepathy/Empathy can encompass a lot of different effects. Is she merely receptive, as in potentially reading minds or emotions, or can she also project or influence them as well? Do her veils have a telepathic illusion aspect? Can she create more complex mind-affecting telepathic/empathic effects?

If it's only the former, I don't think she actually runs afoul of the Laws at all?
 
I kinda agree that Lash, while she is a shadow in Dresden's head, is more of a mental construct than a real spirit, subsoul or demon in its own right.
SCE also ends all mind control effects on the target in addition to banishing anything possessing them.

Lash is her own entity, but she also exists as part of an ongoing magical subversion of Harry's mind to at least some extent. She doesn't always use all the power she has over him, but it's still there.

So I think one way or another she's a valid target.
I dont want to scupper the Bonea subplot though, because I think its a fun complication to add to Harry's life.
If it does happen and we become aware of it we should make Dresden a beanie with the same style and materials as a maternity shirt. Then enchant it with an exalted grade anti-headache effect so that he'll actually wear it around. :V
 
SCE also ends all mind control effects on the target in addition to banishing anything possessing them.

Lash is her own entity, but she also exists as part of an ongoing magical subversion of Harry's mind to at least some extent. She doesn't always use all the power she has over him, but it's still there.

So I think one way or another she's a valid target.
I am sure she is a valid target.

But I don't think Harry can automatically assume that, since I don't believe all exorcisms cover these more exotic options.
 
@DragonParadox, what exactly did we discover about the nature of Olivia's other power(s)? Telepathy/Empathy can encompass a lot of different effects. Is she merely receptive, as in potentially reading minds or emotions, or can she also project or influence them as well? Do her veils have a telepathic illusion aspect? Can she create more complex mind-affecting telepathic/empathic effects?

If it's only the former, I don't think she actually runs afoul of the Laws at all?

Mechanically Olivia is at 3/5 Psychic invisibility. If the other side of her power is as strong and she is a telepath she can do this, in all its law-breaking glory:

••• Psychics who reach this level start to look truly dangerous to their enemies. They can read recent memories and plans for the near future, as well as current thoughts, they can project strong, complex emotions, bits of memory, and can even project mental illusions. With many successes, they can cause one short action that the target wouldn't normally do, such as dropping a weapon during a fight.

Or if it is more inclined to shaping minds rather than just reading them

••• Delayed Action: Now the hypnotist can implant commands to be performed after the subject wakes from the trance. These commands are programmed to happen at a specific time, rather than immediately. The specifics of the commands are like in Sideshow Suggestions, but the difficulty is one higher. Each condition for triggering the command requires a success.
 
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Mechanically Olivia is at 3/5 Psychic invisibility. If the other side of her power is as strong and she is a telepath she can do this, in all its law-breaking glory:

••• Psychics who reach this level start to look truly dangerous to their enemies. They can read recent memories and plans for the near future, as well as current thoughts, they can project strong, complex emotions, bits of memory, and can even project mental illusions. With many successes, they can cause one short action that the target wouldn't normally do, such as dropping a weapon during a fight.

Or if it is more inclined to shaping minds rather than just reading them

••• Delayed Action: Now the hypnotist can implant commands to be performed after the subject wakes from the trance. These commands are programmed to happen at a specific time, rather than immediately. The specifics of the commands are like in Sideshow Suggestions, but the difficulty is one higher. Each condition for triggering the command requires a success.
So fine as long as she is extremely careful to never aim them at humans.

The laws are generally good about that. Most things are perfectly fair game as long as you are picky about your targets. Even necromancy is OK so long as you don't mess with dead humans.
 
Squatting to be at eye level with a kid the better to talk to them is familiar enough, though not the part where you apologize for ripping out the only power Marcy ever had, even if it had been an illusion,
Well getting Inner Devils Unchained has become that little bit more urgent because Marcy is now demon bait for any possessing entity that wants to offer power.
 
Well getting Inner Devils Unchained has become that little bit more urgent because Marcy is now demon bait for any possessing entity that wants to offer power.
Listen, she just desperately needs a friend who is on her side.

Therefore we need to give her a phone with a cyber devil. EDIT - Better idea, get a build-a-bear. Build a phone with a little radioisotope battery that will last 50 years. Shove a cellphone with a cyber devil in the bear.

(We can totally just filter uranium out of sea water to make a little radioisotope battery. We have the tools for it. We have ALL the tools.)

Then we need to stick a cyber devil into the foster care system to give her a guardian angel.

There are few problems that cannot be solved by shoving devils into enough computers.
 
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The power to hide, which Olivia had grown so sick of is not the only magic is is capable of, it is one side of a scale and the other is... empathy or telepathy.
This is interesting, and we should tell her about all of it since we're talking about her soul/mind here.

That said, I still think that the most effective build for her leans heavily into stealth and ranges weaponry.

Drawing attention and pulling information from people are very useful skills, but she isn't exactly a tank.

The completeness of her veils is very impressive, and indicates to me she could have Binder level talent in her area. Which is no small thing even if he's sort of treated as a speed bump by Dresden.

Really she could be more dangerous than Binder in a lot of ways. With good enough firearm skills she could be a positively unfair sniper. Surprise negator or die level dangerous.
So fine as long as she is extremely careful to never aim them at humans.

The laws are generally good about that. Most things are perfectly fair game as long as you are picky about your targets. Even necromancy is OK so long as you don't mess with dead humans.
Technically yeah, but it gets you looked at funny. Something Dresden can take because as a full member he has rights before the council. Minor practitioners have less leeway.

There's also the issue that a lot of the most common sort of monsters she's likely to see are very good at mental manipulation. Fighting them that way isn't necessarily a good idea.
 
There's also the issue that a lot of the most common sort of monsters she's likely to see are very good at mental manipulation. Fighting them that way isn't necessarily a good idea.
Most monsters seem like they would be fairly easy to poke into an unthinking bloodlust. Which isn't normally the state of mind you want to deal with them in, but with also having great invisibility the monster also should have a harder time finding you. Also if dealing with multiple monsters bloodlusting them all is likely to be very useful.
 
[X] Give a full accounting, including the fact that something inhuman must have bound her powers at some point in this state
-[X] Offer your help investigating the perpetrator
 
[X] Give a full accounting, including the fact that something inhuman must have bound her powers at some point in this state
-[X] Offer your help investigating the perpetrator

I have been talked into telling all.
 
I mean if we can build her a rifle on the level of a autocannon stats, if not full auto. She would be doing 15+flat explosive agro damage I would pity anyone that came after her.
 
[X] Give a full accounting, including the fact that something inhuman must have bound her powers at some point in this state
-[X] Offer your help investigating the perpetrator
 
I mean if we can build her a rifle on the level of a autocannon stats, if not full auto. She would be doing 15+flat explosive agro damage I would pity anyone that came after her.
What happens on a botch? Because that is a very important question to ask when giving a powerful weapon to a human.
 
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