Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Unfortunately yes, to get something complicated like a ritual done requires two things:
  • Prep work
  • Skill success
Neither of which the Crown can do for you on its own. At most the crown might tell Molly where to start to hijack whatever the Akuma are doing.
Ok, so:
[X] You propose a plan to hijack whatever it is they were doing, ruining their plans and enacting revenge on those murdered in one swoop
-[X] Use the Crown of Eyes on Bùshì Tùzǐ to ask "what are the precise details of the ritual that saw this one's lover murdered?". Use Occult excellency to interpret the results and build upon them.
-[X] STUNT: As the moment hangs in the balance, you shift your eyes briefly to Bùshì Tùzǐ, and let the crown upon your brow feed you the precise intricate details of what her lover was killed for. To the spirits before you, and your companions you speak, confidence bolstered by knowledge: "Or we subvert their whole work, so the evil they did would be their doom. I have a beginning of a plan."
 
Ok, so:
[X] You propose a plan to hijack whatever it is they were doing, ruining their plans and enacting revenge on those murdered in one swoop
-[X] Use the Crown of Eyes on Bùshì Tùzǐ to ask "what are the precise details of the ritual that saw this one's lover murdered?". Use Occult excellency to interpret the results and build upon them.
-[X] STUNT: As the moment hangs in the balance, you shift your eyes briefly to Bùshì Tùzǐ, and let the crown upon your brow feed you the precise intricate details of what her lover was killed for. To the spirits before you, and your companions you speak, confidence bolstered by knowledge: "Or we subvert their whole work, so the evil they did would be their doom. I have a beginning of a plan."

That will work to get you started yeah.
 
[X] But you let it stand, allow the moment to pass and Lán Hè to make the offer of his shaman in order to draw Lady Eiko into the open
 
[X] But you let it stand, allow the moment to pass and Lán Hè to make the offer of his shaman in order to draw Lady Eiko into the open
 
Which is why we use the crown. Molly h
Neither did she have such skill when she revamped Arawn's ritual.
If the Crown question is valid, and even if it isn't, Molly is actually a decent magical theoretician. Occult dice pools and successes in 20+ range account for a lot.
She altered an existing ritual. She didnt build it from scratch.
And she wasnt working against opposition.
There's a difference between strapping a turbocharger on an existing car engine and designing a whole new engine from scratch.

Molly is a pretty good magical theoretician.
But she is still updating out of date info, and even with speed boosts, this shit takes time to work on, especially if we're using canon ritual rules for design and duration. And the final ritual might still require ritual components we may or may not have access to.

There are three days between now and October 5.
Im not enthused about throwing everything into a hail mary counter-ritual that has to work in the face of opposition and cause no collateral damage to the city.

And it shows our hand to boot several days early, giving the opposition time to go to a backup plan.
Where are you getting this implication from? It doesn't imply such at all. The only thing implied is that akuma are doing something to the dragon lines to give them advantage. Like, I don't know, enacting their analog of Awakened Eye of the Dragon ritual to give themselves boosts.
I quote:
"I hope so too, there is evil abroad for those who follow the Excelent Archer to slay, one that fears neither living nor dead, one that moved with the tapestry of chi and yet is not of it, one who has killed and killed again, until all of the old blood in this city is spent."
"To steal their places of power?" you ask, frowning. That does not feel quite right. Unless Emma-O is blind indeed to what you have become any servant of his who might be a danger to you would have no need for the boon of rooting her power in desecrated soil.
"The akuma, Lady Eiko of the Blood-Stained Chrysanthemum, offered me a meeting," you say, the implications dawning on you. Why offer you a meeting in such a hostile manner? Because they wanted you to show up, but not to talk, because it's a trap and all of Chinatown is the web.
Molly doesnt think Emma-O's enforcer needs self-buffing.
And I literally just pointed out an array of canon kueijin powers for manipulating environmental chi and dragon lines to your opponent's disadvantage.

All this implies that they are aware of the potential issues with what they are doing. Do they know about Demonreach? Do they know about Chicago's significance? Do they care? Do we know about Winter's power projection capability into Yomi Wan? We don't know a lot, and this can be interpreted in a number of ways.
Do they know about Demonreach?
Yes; its a magic supermax prison for Incarna-level entities and better. Naagloshii count as minimum-security inmates. It can hold Titans. The Yama Kings and their senior operatives most definitely will pay attention to it, same as everyone else.

Do they know about Chicago's significance? Yes; its literally public knowledge for everyone associated with Faerie. Summer Lady Aurora died there around four years ago, and canon Mab broadcast her adoption of Dresden as Winter Knight by fucking him on the Stone Table and livestreaming it across Faerie.

Do they care?
Obviously not. Hence why Im calling it stupid and evidence of hubris.

Do we know about Winter's power projection?
Usum was literally taken captive the last time Emma-O tried to come to conclusions with Winter.And we fled Arctis Tor half a step ahead of Winter's armies returning. Its safe to assume we do.
 
And as an addendum?
1) Burning Tuzi as a Crown focus is at best, suboptimal.
Especially when the dead guy has a workplace, home and grave that would serve just as well.

2)Using the Crown in front of a hsien that could apparently see our non-active Caste mark?
Seems more than a little unwise.
 
She altered an existing ritual. She didnt build it from scratch.
And she wasnt working against opposition.
There's a difference between strapping a turbocharger on an existing car engine and designing a whole new engine from scratch.
We are also altering or, rather, subverting, the existing ritual. We are attempting thaumaturgical judo - redirecting the flows of energy that are already there. By using the crown we'll have the precise information of what Kakuri servants are doing. We build on top of that.
Molly doesnt think Emma-O's enforcer needs self-buffing.
And I literally just pointed out an array of canon kueijin powers for manipulating environmental chi and dragon lines to your opponent's disadvantage.
Ok, this is unlikely to be self-buff ritual. It doesn't mean that she thinks we gather chi from environment. It is a trap, set for us. It could be a spirit killer ritual, a straight damage dealer, etc. The "she thinks we are using environmental chi" is a leap of logic that's not supported by the text at all.
Do they know about Demonreach?
Yes; its a magic supermax prison for Incarna-level entities and better. Naagloshii count as minimum-security inmates. It can hold Titans. The Yama Kings and their senior operatives most definitely will pay attention to it, same as everyone else.
At least part of its security is obscurity and stealth. You don't tell everyone where your supermax prison is.
Do they know about Chicago's significance? Yes; its literally public knowledge for everyone associated with Faerie. Summer Lady Aurora died there around four years ago, and canon Mab broadcast her adoption of Dresden as Winter Knight by fucking him on the Stone Table and livestreaming it across Faerie.
They are not part of the faerie.
Do we know about Winter's power projection?
Usum was literally taken captive the last time Emma-O tried to come to conclusions with Winter.And we fled Arctis Tor half a step ahead of Winter's armies returning. Its safe to assume we do.
These two facts aren't relevant. Usum was taken when forces of Emma-O clashed with Winter. Usum was taken to Winter's doorstep, not the other way around.
 
Ok, so:
[X] You propose a plan to hijack whatever it is they were doing, ruining their plans and enacting revenge on those murdered in one swoop
-[X] Use the Crown of Eyes on Bùshì Tùzǐ to ask "what are the precise details of the ritual that saw this one's lover murdered?". Use Occult excellency to interpret the results and build upon them.
-[X] STUNT: As the moment hangs in the balance, you shift your eyes briefly to Bùshì Tùzǐ, and let the crown upon your brow feed you the precise intricate details of what her lover was killed for. To the spirits before you, and your companions you speak, confidence bolstered by knowledge: "Or we subvert their whole work, so the evil they did would be their doom. I have a beginning of a plan."
And what's the plan if this fails? Because we have three days and no actual skill to translate our occult dice into ritual power. We can work with others, but there are limits to that and we don't know where they are along any parameter.

Getting a result like "it's possible, but you need a specific reagent and to put it in a specific location that is either impractical or functionally the same as a frontal assault" we'll have wasted a lot of time, energy, and credibility for nothing.

It's worth noting that even something like that would be an amazing result for someone who's starting from zero like Molly is. Or like we are for that matter; the thread as a whole doesn't know how ritual rules work so we can't make and evaluation on if this is practical independent of what we learn winging it.

We basically need to jump blind and land in exactly one spot for this to work, and we don't even have a vague idea of what the bottom of the cliff looks like.

This is more wishful thinking than an actual plan.
 
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[x] So you speak up, you do not need that kind of risk taken, now that you know the Akuma are messing with the local dragon lines you can call your own expert in the matter in the from of Porter


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As a reminder, word of Molly is very much that the right or wrong amount of fucking around with Dragons Nests can trigger earthquakes. Thats what she said in Cleveland during the cleanup of the Fomor naee.
Ley lines are less powerful, but we're still talking about prodigious amounts of power in the middle of the third biggest city in the US.

Porter has been here since before Chicago was a proper city.
Talk to the local expert on Chicago's leylines before doing anything else.
 
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And what's the plan if this fails? Because we have three days and no actual skill to translate our occult dice into ritual power. We can work with others, but there are limits to that and we don't know where they are along any parameter.

Getting a result like "it's possible, but you need a specific reagent and to put it in a specific location that is either impractical or functionally the same as a frontal assault" we'll have wasted a lot of time, energy, and credibility for nothing.

It's worth noting that even something like that would be an amazing result for someone who's starting from zero like Molly is. Or like we are for that matter; the thread as a whole doesn't know how ritual rules work so we can't make and evaluation on if this is practical independent of what we learn winging it.

We basically need to jump blind and land in exactly one spot for this to work, and we don't even have a vague idea of what the bottom of the cliff looks like.

This is more wishful thinking than an actual plan.
It's a risk, yes. I fully admit that. But it feels like this should be possible. It's a ritual to subvert local leylines to the will of Kakuri's servants. Our power feels like Kakuri's in a lot of ways - it's our favored hell, after all. That means that we are thaumaturgically close to the ritual's intended users. They obviously aren't targeting themselves with a negative effect, they are targeting us. Flipping the polarity should be doable, if nothing else.

Yes, I fully admit this is wishful thinking on my part. But we are near close to what's possible in occult, and kakuri is our specialty. It feels like this should be possible.
 
- Noting that Butterfly Lady keeps looking at our forehead like she can see our caste mark.
Maybe she can.
Probably more to this one than meets the eye.


- At least Blue Crane's senses are strong enough to perceive Molly's Mollyness.
A little surprised they are focusing on Molly instead of the Fist of God and the angel he's carrying around in his blade.
Maybe Amoracchius is very good at camoflaging itself at need?
They be spirits in a Celestial Bureaucracy that is very much like the one from Creation. Molly be a a corrupted Solar from a completely different Celestial Bureaucracy of an older version. Any ability they have to sense how she fits into such a structure is probably glitching out right now. The knight of the cross and the old monk fit in little boxes. The CB loves things in their proper boxes. All the boxes are checked with the other two.

Molly on the other hand is probably radiating conflicting information like the boxes are on hallucinogenic drugs. Not only is she randomly checking boxes that then uncheck themselves the boxes are moving around at the same time. Its like meeting a G Man from some unnamed alphabet agency that gave no ID and they are completely in heavy violation of the dress code and somehow completely in accordance to the dress code.

I'm half expecting Emma-O to try and file a complaint with her manager through the proper channels over the whole... the wayward minion is dead-dead-for-reals instead of just normal dead and not even be able to find if there are actually forms for that. Molly somehow nonsensically out ranks the paperwork required to get access to the paper explaining what her clearance level actually is.

In short Molly's paperwork is the fever dream of paperwork they don't even have forms to authorize. So far the only people with a clue what Molly's exaltation actually is are Angels(Fallen or normal). AKA those construction team for existence. I'm not sure if they only reason they even know is that it came up in the office scuttlebutt of why the last model existence failed. I mean Molly has powers based on narrative control without causing insanity or your eyes burning out of your head or something.

In short, they be trying to get trying to check her Celestial ID and she is registering with the rank of 'The Calamitous Celery stalks the Bacon that Narwhales at Midnight in Denver, Cambodia' from the 'Would you like some Cheese as a Hat' department. That kind of throws them off on how to treat her.
 
Ok, so:
[X] You propose a plan to hijack whatever it is they were doing, ruining their plans and enacting revenge on those murdered in one swoop
-[X] Use the Crown of Eyes on Bùshì Tùzǐ to ask "what are the precise details of the ritual that saw this one's lover murdered?". Use Occult excellency to interpret the results and build upon them.
-[X] STUNT: As the moment hangs in the balance, you shift your eyes briefly to Bùshì Tùzǐ, and let the crown upon your brow feed you the precise intricate details of what her lover was killed for. To the spirits before you, and your companions you speak, confidence bolstered by knowledge: "Or we subvert their whole work, so the evil they did would be their doom. I have a beginning of a plan."
do we need to tell them that?

It'd be quite suspicious for us to suddenly know all the details of the ritual.

Let's pretend the porter option to them, then fill in our group what we truly plan to do.
[] So you speak up, you do not need that kind of risk taken, now that you know the Akuma are messing with the local dragon lines you can call your own expert in the matter in the from of Porter
 
I wonder if the akuma are trying to brute force a Broken Mirror into existence.

On a side note, if they are I'd like to pirate the ritual to link Chicago and its Nevernever reflection to Molly's Hell when the time comes.

@Yog, we should ask Bùshì Tùzǐ for one of J's possessions for divination purposes, and then use that as a focus for the Crown of Eyes back in our workshop where we can abuse our difficulty reducers.
 
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We are also altering or, rather, subverting, the existing ritual. We are attempting thaumaturgical judo - redirecting the flows of energy that are already there. By using the crown we'll have the precise information of what Kakuri servants are doing. We build on top of that.
Judo requires a minimum amount of strength to even have a chance of working against a resisting opponent.

We know fuckall about the strength of the opposition on the other end, or how much expertise they have on tap.
Or even if they can phone home for help with rituals, the way the Denarians in Small Favor got Lucifer to lend power/expertise to their ritual for containing the Archive.

I have no interest in inadvertently stumbling into a wrestling match with Emma-O.
Not at E2.
And that assumes that the ritual itself isnt in and of itself a trap to lure someone into trying to defang it.
Ok, this is unlikely to be self-buff ritual. It doesn't mean that she thinks we gather chi from environment. It is a trap, set for us. It could be a spirit killer ritual, a straight damage dealer, etc. The "she thinks we are using environmental chi" is a leap of logic that's not supported by the text at all.
Kueijin dont have spiritkillers afaik.
Yama Kings dont have spiritkillers either; when Emma-O slew Yen-Lo, he used a blade of pure Yin according to the sourcebooks.

She's never seen us wield power as far as we know.
Which do you think is a more likely assumption: The bearer of the Seed of Eternal Night, who feels like an archdevil, uses the same chi that demons, akuma and Yama Kings do? Or Molly generates some primordial go juice unseen since time immemorial?

At least part of its security is obscurity and stealth. You don't tell everyone where your supermax prison is.
Its obscurity is from mortals. Not supernaturals.

Why do you think its possible to hide this place?
Its more than a thousand years old. Its establishment predates the White Council. Demonreach literally has a ley line coming out of it. Its no more secret than ADX Florence, at least to the actual Powers of the setting.

They are not part of the faerie.
The Faerie grapevine is literally open to anyone who does a deal with a Wyldfae.
Thats kinda how people like Bob get information. Hell, remember this?
I snorted.
"What was that he said about Winter?" Sanya asked.
"Harry's the new Winter Knight!" Toot-toot burbled. "Which is fantastic! The old Winter Knight mostly just sat around getting tortured. He never went on adventures or anything." He paused and added, "Unless you count going crazy, I guess."
"Toot," I said. "I'm . . . kind of trying to keep the Winter Knight thing low-profile."
"Okay," Toot said. "Why?"
I glanced from the little faerie to Sanya. "Look, I, uh . . . It's personal, okay, and—"
"Because every creature in Faerie got to see the ceremony," Toot said proudly. "Mab made sure of it! It was reflected in all the streams and ponds and lakes and puddles and every little drop of water!"

I stared at the engorged faerie, at something of a loss for words. "Um," I said. "Oh. How . . . very, very disturbing."
"Did it hurt when you kissed Mab?" Toot asked. "Because I always thought her lips looked so cold that they would burn. Like streetlamps in winter!" Toot sat up suddenly, his eyes wide. "Ooooooh. Did your tongue get stuck to her, like on that Christmastime show?"
"Okayyyyy," I said with forced cheer, clapping my hands. "Way, way too personal. Um. The job. I have a job for you."
Toot-toot leapt up to his feet. His stomach was already constricting back toward its normal size. "Yes, my liege!"
Where the hell did he put it all? I mean . . . it just wasn't possible for him to eat that much pizza and then . . . I shook my head. Now wasn't the time.
That was Toot-Toot, a member of the Little Folk.
Dresden literally pays him for information in pizza.

These two facts aren't relevant. Usum was taken when forces of Emma-O clashed with Winter. Usum was taken to Winter's doorstep, not the other way around.
Yes they are.

We literally see Winter's expeditionary forces coming back to Arctis Tor from their borders in Proven Guilty after Dresden dropped Summers Fire in the hearthspring. Before that, we saw at least some of them deployed beyong Winter's borders, around the Stone Table in Chicago-over-Chicago during Summer Knight, when Summer fought Winter.

This isnt secret information.
 
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do we need to tell them that?

It'd be quite suspicious for us to suddenly know all the details of the ritual.

Let's pretend the porter option to them, then fill in our group what we truly plan to do.
[] So you speak up, you do not need that kind of risk taken, now that you know the Akuma are messing with the local dragon lines you can call your own expert in the matter in the from of Porter
We most likely need their help. Their shamans are intended human sacrifices of the ritual. It's almost guaranteed that to subvert said ritual we'll need willing help of said shamans.
@Yog, we should ask Bùshì Tùzǐ for one of J's possessions for divination purposes, and then use that as a focus for the Crown of Eyes back in our workshop where we can abuse our difficulty reducers.
That's a better option, yes, but I want to be at least somewhat sure that we can do this when speaking. And for that we need the ritual's details and proper understanding (hence Occult excellency).
 
Kueijin dont have spiritkillers afaik.
Yama Kings dont have spiritkillers either; when Emma-O slew Yen-Lo, he used a blade of pure Yin according to the sourcebooks.

Wan Kuei have at least one spirit killer, the fifth dot of Chi'iu Muh allows them to destroy a soul/spirit by eating it.

That's a better option, yes, but I want to be at least somewhat sure that we can do this when speaking. And for that we need the ritual's details and proper understanding (hence Occult excellency).

Yes, but we don't need to use the Crown here and now. We just ask for one of his possessions and use it later.
 
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Judo requires a minimum amount of strength to even have a chance of working against a resisting opponent.

We know fuckall about the strength of the opposition on the other end, or how much expertise they have on tap.
Or even if they can phone home for help with rituals, the way the Denarians in Small Favor got Lucifer to lend power/expertise to their ritual for containing the Archive.

I have no interest in inadvertently getting into a wrestling match with Emma-O.
Not at E2.
In this case, opposing them at all has the same problem, and we should be running away, not preparing to fight them.
She's never seen us wield power as far as we know.
Which do you think is a more likely assumption: The bearer of the Seed of Eternal Night, who feels like an archdevil, uses the same chi that demons, akuma and Yama Kings do? Or Molly generates some primordial go juice unseen since time immemorial?
Basic investigation would tell her that Molly was a talented wizard before she got the Seed. That's basically matter of public record now, or at least easily found. Wizards use internal power. Also, wan kuei use external chi because they are dead and lack their own. We aren't dead. We have our own power. Soulfire is a thing known to exist.
Hell, we are being trained in qiao, which use internal power.

Yes, "this living human with a Seed of Eternal Night welded onto their soul is using the power of their own life force" is an easy to come idea.
Its obscurity is from mortals. Not supernaturals.
Canon naagloshii had no idea it was stepping on Demonreach, as far as I remember; and it's probably higher on the "informed about demonreach" than these akuma are.
We literally see Winter's expeditionary forces coming back to Arctis Tor from their borders in Proven Guilty after Dresden dropped Summers Fire in the hearthspring. Before that, we saw at least some of them deployed beyong Winter's borders, around the Stone Table in Chicago-over-Chicago during Summer Knight, when Summer fought Winter.
Borders of winter =/= capable of reaching deep into Yomi Wan.
 
he is one of the spider-kin
ah, Kumo. Those WoD were spiders have very nice charmset. Also good vs vamps if we need to.
I think they are attempting to poison the chi of the Dragon Lines to make it their own, the better to prepare for fighting...
Oh shit no. That would open a never-never way straight to Yomi. Worse case - Kakuri will start bleeding over into real world. Like - absolutely not.
The manipulation leaves a bad taste in your mouth...
eh, being pretty civil as far as Kumo go.

For a note, there is a giant dream spider godling around per RPG.
 
Yes, but we don't need to use the Crown here and now. We just ask for one of his possessions and use it later.
This is basically my failsafe - if Molly, upon getting the details of the ritual immediately thinks its impossible to subvert it in time, I trust her to use the sane option. Let me actually make this clear in the vote:

[X] Use the Crown of Eyes on Bùshì Tùzǐ to ask "what are the precise details of the ritual that saw this one's lover murdered?". Use Occult excellency to interpret the results and build upon them.
-[X] If, upon learning the details of the ritual Molly thinks it's feasible to subert it, propose a plan to hijack whatever it is they were doing, ruining their plans and enacting revenge on those murdered in one swoop
--[X] STUNT: As the moment hangs in the balance, you shift your eyes briefly to Bùshì Tùzǐ, and let the crown upon your brow feed you the precise intricate details of what her lover was killed for. To the spirits before you, and your companions you speak, confidence bolstered by knowledge: "Or we subvert their whole work, so the evil they did would be their doom. I have a beginning of a plan."
-[X] If it isn't, speak up, you do not need that kind of risk taken, now that you know the Akuma are messing with the local dragon lines you can call your own expert in the matter in the from of Porter
 
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