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Going Full Hollow (Bleach)

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TPK said:
You have Redon to thank for convincing me that Spirit Ribbons would work on a stealth specialist.
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Redon said:
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First of all, thanks for saving our bacon.
Second...I choose...

[X] Uryuu's dad -he's a trauma surgeon.

She's still human. Not a soul yet, so I'll lean on this even if we're in danger. Plus he is a TRAUMA surgeon.

TRAUMA!!!!!!!

[] Urahara -he knows all about souls.

I'd have chosen this if it dealt with the ribbon but Tatsuki is still a human not a soul like us who has manifested.
Maybe he can give her a gigai if Uryuu's dad can'y help?
Still a plan B though.
 
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[X] Urahara -he knows all about souls.

redzonejoe said:
Wait, what perceived shiny? I'm pretty sure the logic is 'can't see guy, have to find him another way. Can we feel him move? Probably not. Can we hear him? Probably not. Can we sense him? Possibly. Can we attack blindly and hit him? Indeterminate chance.
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That would be nice if that was the logic used. Instead, the logic used was "soul sensing? Sounds like pesquisa! We learn best when we need to learn, and we're shit at soul sensing! Let's do this to force out a new ability!" Don't believe me? Go back and read the posts between this most recent update and the one before it. And while you're at it, read the reasoning behind the spam getsuga vote.

redzonejoe said:
Plus see quote above for further reasons against getsugas. Since he did go for her first, then the idea that he uses her as a shield to avoid our tetsugas isn't too unlikely.
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See, the thing here is that we sat there like a moron and did nothing to inhibit his movements. If we'd spammed getsugas, instead of being able to approach Tatsuki directly, he would have to focus on dodging. And after a few moments of destroying the room, enough dust would have been kicked up to reveal his position. At which point we would have killed him.
 
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Redon said:
@redzonejoe Given that this setting tends to focus on high end combat and fast moves, slow stealth is kinda a lost art form. So yeah, I'm going to say that expecting someone to move slowly is something I should argue against.
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I actually voted for sound, personally. If moving quickly moves air for that option, then there shouldn't be any aspect of his power that nullifies air movement, aka sound, right? This has the advantage over moving air currents in that it reaches us quicker and from further away, allowing us to react to things at a distance. Like, say, him targeting the 'food'.

I might be wrong though. But that's the thing, when working on incomplete information, the best you can do is guess. And when guessing, there's a pretty big chance of being wrong. There are reasons for and against every option listed people made the choices that they thought were best, and complaining about that after the fact does nothing.

I'm trying to convince people to complain less, the waamulance is pretty busy after all.

If you want to convince people to vote a certain way, then by all means bring up your arguments and previous votes. Bring up this story post, and how it nearly ended very badly.

But please don't pointlessly vent and insult everybody, that's what I take issue with.
 
@redzonejoe except you know, the part where I'm not ranting at people, and pointing out where they were wrong. And yes they were chasing a shiny, in a field that the character has a proven track record of being weak in, so I am allowed to point out to them their mistakes in a hope they wont repeat it again.
 
People she's still human.
She is NOT a soul.

EDIT: Her soul was never displaced outside of her body. Instead, she's received a potentially lethal wound to her human body. Not a manifested soul version of it.
The soul stuff Whitey was ruminating over pertained to her ribbon and what she'd ingested earlier. Minor stuff compared to what we're dealing with now.
That didn't have anything to do with her getting a chunk of her human, not soul, neck torn out.
 
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Hyp3rB14d3 said:
That would be nice if that was the logic used. Instead, the logic used was "soul sensing? Sounds like pesquisa! We learn best when we need to learn, and we're shit at soul sensing! Let's do this to force out a new ability!" Don't believe me? Go back and read the posts between this most recent update and the one before it. And while you're at it, read the reasoning behind the spam getsuga vote.
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It was mentioned a couple times, but not argued for or against in any great detail.

Then again, I'm used to threads where an issue often gets debated about thoroughly over a few pages, so maybe you're right. It doesn't doesn't excuse 'ah, you're all so stupid!' Angry posts after the fact though.

See, the thing here is that we sat there like a moron and did nothing to inhibit his movements. If we'd spammed getsugas, instead of being able to approach Tatsuki directly, he would have to focus on dodging.* And after a few moments of destroying the room, enough dust would have been kicked up to reveal his position. At which point we would have killed him.
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*unless we're attacking in precisely the wrong direction. And keep in mind
Redon said:
@redzonejoe Given that this setting almost exclusively focuses on high end combat and fast moves, slow stealth is kinda a lost art form. So yeah, I'm going to say that expecting someone to move slowly when all evidence points to it not happening is something I will argue against.
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Fast moving is expected. Dodging or not, he'd still likely reach Tatsuo in under a handful of seconds. If we attack where he was, he's already dodging closer to her and out of the way of our attack. If we attack anywhere else... Futility itself. Then you bring up the dust. These are my thoughts on that.
redzonejoe said:
Other ideas like kicking up dust have merit, but are entirely experimental and uncertain. We'd be giving up sight for random chance, which isn't even a sense.

Would it have worked? Maybe. Would it be certain to work? Not at all. Given uncertain information about his abilities, and about the options themselves, people voted the way they thought best.
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Redon said:
@redzonejoe except you know, the part where I'm not ranting at people, and pointing out where they were wrong. And yes they were chasing a shiny, in a field that the character has a proven track record of being weak in, so I am allowed to point out to them their mistakes in a hope they wont repeat it again.
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To this I say
redzonejoe said:
Edit: not you personally, just explaining why I made the post above. If somebody wants to complain and gripe about other posters, I'm going to complain and gripe about them.
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I do think that your goal would be better served by bringing it up when it's relevant. Next time we have a vote and people are voting a certain way, thats when you bring this back up.

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Orisha91 said:
First of all, thanks for saving our bacon.
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This. Thanks.
 
I don't really need nor want thanks for giving TPK an out to not instant kill Tatsuki... I just want people to act more like the characater and rely less on getting the powers that we've already been shown to be weak at even if they're cool to have.

Edit: I should also add, to people voting to goto Uryuu's dad, remember that Quincy's way of dealing with soul issues is to burn out the corruption and destroy it.
 
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Hyp3rB14d3 said:
And after a few moments of destroying the room, enough dust would have been kicked up to reveal his position. At which point we would have killed him.
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Personally I thought that logic was rather suspect when it was brought up.

Hueco Mundo is a desert, they have dust and sand aplenty. A Hollow/Arracnar who specializes in stealth would have to deal with dust on a regular basis, and assuming he didn't have a solution worked out for a common environmental hazard seemed like it was stretching it.
 
I just want to point out that Hollow Ichigo has zero training in detecting people via sound. Unlike sensing.

But if anyone wants to go the route of best skill, it should have been hurling attacks left and right. :p
 
Redon said:
I don't really need nor want thanks for giving TPK an out to not instant kill Tatsuki... I just want people to act more like the characater and rely less on getting the powers that we've already been shown to be weak at even if they're cool to have.

Edit: I should also add, to people voting to goto Uryuu's dad, remember that Quincy's way of dealing with soul issues is to burn out the corruption and destroy it.
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He's more than a quincy though.
He's a trauma surgeon.
 
It's an open forum, everybody's welcome.

edit: You know, I just realized we have some very juicy info that Urahara would love to know about that would probably get him to actually be helpful in this situation and not dick us around.

You know, like an admission that Aizen's doing something to hollows and making them into super powered versions.

Also, with how human souls grow after high exposure to spirit particles (and even moreso when it involves combat that they're involved with) after Tatsuki's trip to Spirit Mexico, with her being in/near three vice-captain level battles or avbove, her power growth is going to quickly outpace Chad's at this rate, if she survives that is.
 
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I wonder if all the exposure to hollows and getting partially eaten by one is gonna turn her into some kinda high-spec/fullbringer/hollow hybrid. And aren't we part-zanpakuto or something? Regular hollows aren't born with zanpakutos, after all, and we're no arrancar.
 
[X] Ichigo's Dad! He's a clinical surgeon, so it should be a good bet.

And if he can't fix her then he can call Uryuu's dad, without Whitey risking soul obliteration.


Also, to everyone voting for Urahara... He's kind if a dick. Not really someone that you want to owe a favour to. Sure he's not evil or anything, but he's not innocent either.
 
[X] Ichigo's Dad! He's a clinical surgeon, so it should be a good bet.

[] Uryuu's dad -he's a trauma surgeon.
A hollow bringing a girl with hollow powers to a Quincy? Sound like a great idea.
 
[X] Uryuu's dad -he's a trauma surgeon.

We know that Uryuu's family are quincy even if his dad does not seem to be involved. The mortal wound though is the most important. I feel comfindent about it because we don't know the dad is stronger than the active son and I think he is intelligent enough to access the situation as not the classical hollow eats human scenario so he could simple tell Whitey to leave before treating Tatsuki.
 
[X] Urahara -he knows all about souls.

I think Uryuu's dad would have a much better chance of saving her, but I'm pretty sure he'd kill us.
 
[X] Urahara -he knows all about souls.

I would like isshin, but few people voted for it. Also i hope you people that voted for getting pesquisa are happy, this should have gone much worse, but the QM for some reason is giving us a chance, be thankful to him, and stop doing stupid things, and begin to do things IC in the mindset of Whitey.
 
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