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Game, Set, [MAFIA]

Do people like pointless polls with their mafia?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 7 24.1%

  • No.

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • I didn't answer this.

    Votes: 7 24.1%

  • Wynaut?

    Votes: 13 44.8%
  • Total voters
    29
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I agree with Tykan's reads, though Swarm isn't completely ruled out as Tykan isn't completely cleared. In terms of my suspicion for them, I think the way they totally switched demeanors after Zae was a little sus, but could easily be attributed to being wrong.

I think we can ignore Toto here, as with the current gamestate, we're screwed if they're scum anyways.
 
Here is where I am at:

I know I am town. I am 99% sure Shadell and Scia are too.

I am strongly town reading Totadileplayz. There almost has to be a second doctor for Shadell to have survived. Otherwise there was no reason for scum to avoid targeting Shadell after she was outed as a Doctor and revealed to have already blocked on of their kill attempts. I'm not quite as solid on this as I am on Shadell and Scia, but I think it is fairly solid.

So that leaves three folks to have the two remaining scum slots. My impulse is to say they are @Swarmingu and @Tykan but @Young Pyromancer is still a suspect. They have played pretty towny from what I have observed and I did get a town result on them which (if I understand my power correctly) means they are more likely town than scum on that basis.

Of the remaining two, Tykan feels scummier, but I think that is because they have posted more, I am down with voting either Tykan or Swarmingu but for right now I am putting my vote on Tykan.

[X] vote Tykan
 
Alright, there's not much left to say for me.
Swarmingu is the clear scum and Meso's likely his partner.
I laid down my defense.

[X] vote Swarmingu

@Swarmingu, you are one vote away from hammer. If you have anything left to say in your defense, now's the time.
 
Tykan said:
Alright, there's not much left to say for me.
Swarmingu is the clear scum and Meso's likely his partner.
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I'd like to hear an argument for these claims. I think swarmingu is probably scum, but what do you know that exonerates Young Pyromancer? I have my positive result from Copping but you claim not to believe I am a Cop.
 
Oh, I see where you said it was because he shared your drawback.

But that is another reason to suspect you, since no other two players seem to share identical drawbacks.
 
[X] vote null
I think we should stay away from hammer until they have a chance to speak. Voting null so someone doesn't sneak in and hammer by 'accident'.
 
mesonoxian said:
Oh, I see where you said it was because he shared your drawback.

But that is another reason to suspect you, since no other two players seem to share identical drawbacks.
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Already answered this earlier on.
A) We are missing the watchers' drawbacks to verify this.
B) Fool's the only role with 3 people so it's a special case.
C) Coming up with three different drawbacks for a purely detrimental role that keeps a small bit of player agenda isn't that easy.
D) Nictis toying with us, breaking his own combo to avoid people going only for drawbacks.
 
Tykan said:
Already answered this earlier on.
A) We are missing the watchers' drawbacks to verify this.
B) Fool's the only role with 3 people so it's a special case.
C) Coming up with three different drawbacks for a purely detrimental role that keeps a small bit of player agenda isn't that easy.
D) Nictis toying with us, breaking his own combo to avoid people going only for drawbacks.
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Could be. That's why it is another reason to suspect you, and not clear proof of your scumminess.
 
I'm still liking ambivalent atm. The push on me is weird given how convoluted it was, scum killing ondine is a bit too on the nose to clear Tykan, and the drawbacks is a thing.

OTOH, Young's behavior at EoD3 was what it was, and the push on Swarmingu feels a bit forced across the board.
 
The reasoning on drawbacks being shared points most clearly at Tykan over Swarmingu. The fact that of the three fools, 2 of them went on Swarmingu pretty persistently, at a stage in the game where both are probably scum, and yoinking an extra day to arson might actually outweigh dodging suspision of bussing, particularly if they can't flip the cop with 1 scum left or something like that.
 
Shadell said:
The reasoning on drawbacks being shared points most clearly at Tykan over Swarmingu. The fact that of the three fools, 2 of them went on Swarmingu pretty persistently, at a stage in the game where both are probably scum, and yoinking an extra day to arson might actually outweigh dodging suspision of bussing, particularly if they can't flip the cop with 1 scum left or something like that.
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Tykan targeting swarmingu actually makes me doubt my scumread on swarmingu. But then maybe that's what they want, and then we're off into wine.
 
Young and Tykan being scum together feels off, given that the big reasoning for scumreading Young would be throwing Tykan to save Zaealix for a day, when Zaea was mostly outed. It would make sense as a panic move if Tykan's town, but not the reverse.

Young being scum and not Tykan is odd as well, since it implies that the rolecop, which is described as standard, has some unusual functions. I think we can discard this.

From this, I think we can pretty safely remove YoungPyromancer from the path of execution tonight. So, like 50/50 with a near guarantee at hitting scum tomorrow if we're not actually at lylo atm.
 
Shadell said:
The reasoning on drawbacks being shared points most clearly at Tykan over Swarmingu. The fact that of the three fools, 2 of them went on Swarmingu pretty persistently, at a stage in the game where both are probably scum, and yoinking an extra day to arson might actually outweigh dodging suspision of bussing, particularly if they can't flip the cop with 1 scum left or something like that.
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Why does the drawback thingy point more towards me?

mesonoxian said:
Tykan targeting swarmingu actually makes me doubt my scumread on swarmingu. But then maybe that's what they want, and then we're off into wine.
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And here we finally have the scum trying to defend for his teammate.
By now I don't want to repeat why I went after Swarmingu over Pyro.
 
Tykan said:
And here we finally have the scum trying to defend for his teammate.
By now I don't want to repeat why I went after Swarmingu over Pyro.
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A bold attempt, but there is a note of desperation that gives the game away.

Town has no way of knowing who is scum. Even now I am not 100% sold on your being scum and I have been pretty upfront about that. (Though this makes me feel a lot more comfortable with it). But scum absolutely know who is and isn't scum. Certainty (like calling someone "the scum") is intrinsically a bit scummy.

If you were town, you'd have the very real possibility that Young P and swarmingu were the surviving scum, or that Totadileplayz had pulled off a really clever gambit and gotten themself a strong town cred by sparing Shadell. But if you're scum you aren't actually trying to catch scum. You have zero uncertainty. You don't have to second guess yourself and doubt your reads. So you can pretend to be as convinced as necessary.
 
My guess is that swarmingu is scum and Tykan is bussing hard.
 
So Meso, you're saying your suspicions are Tykan to Swarmie to me to Toto to the confirmeds?
And Tykan, your list is Meso to Swarmie to me to toto to the confirmeds?
 
mesonoxian said:
A bold attempt, but there is a note of desperation that gives the game away.

Town has no way of knowing who is scum. Even now I am not 100% sold on your being scum and I have been pretty upfront about that. (Though this makes me feel a lot more comfortable with it). But scum absolutely know who is and isn't scum. Certainty (like calling someone "the scum") is intrinsically a bit scummy.

If you were town, you'd have the very real possibility that Young P and swarmingu were the surviving scum, or that Totadileplayz had pulled off a really clever gambit and gotten themself a strong town cred by sparing Shadell. But if you're scum you aren't actually trying to catch scum. You have zero uncertainty. You don't have to second guess yourself and doubt your reads. So you can pretend to be as convinced as necessary.
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OK, as you wish, I repeat myself again.
As we (especially I) learned yesterday, don't try to convolute the game too much.
For Pyro to be scum, rolecop has to read drawback from my end. Rules him out.
Leaves me with Swarmingu as clear scum.
Then we have you and Tota left. So why do I first suspected you? Cause Tota didn't try to save his teammate and voted me immediately (scum!Tota) but went after the scum I know.
You are trying to kill me, just try to avert suspicion from Swarmingu to Pyro, which both of Swarmingu and I kinda cleared independantly. So if it looks like a duck...

Waffling around is for when you aren't sure. By now I am sure. And fighting for my life.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
So Meso, you're saying your suspicions are Tykan to Swarmie to me to Toto to the confirmeds?
And Tykan, your list is Meso to Swarmie to me to toto to the confirmeds?
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Yeah, pretty much. I got a town peek on you while there were still three active scum, you've seemed towny in your posting, and you presented your drawback first without copying anybody else's, all of which make me feel like you're probably town. Totadileplayz could have done a long con on us, but I think that is less likely than them actually being a Doctor. Since otherwise they let the doc live and burned a roleblock just for indirect late game cover. (It also makes the Night 1 save a little less miraculous, if scum had twice as likely a chance of hitting a protected towny).

Tykan said:
OK, as you wish, I repeat myself again.
As we (especially I) learned yesterday, don't try to convolute the game too much.
For Pyro to be scum, rolecop has to read drawback from my end. Rules him out.
Leaves me with Swarmingu as clear scum.
Then we have you and Tota left. So why do I first suspected you? Cause Tota didn't try to save his teammate and voted me immediately (scum!Tota) but went after the scum I know.
You are trying to kill me, just try to avert suspicion from Swarmingu to Pyro, which both of Swarmingu and I kinda cleared independantly. So if it looks like a duck...

Waffling around is for when you aren't sure. By now I am sure. And fighting for my life.
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You were reading heavy scum day 3, the only reason you survived was because Zaealix got outed by Scia and I suggested people switch votes from you to Zaealix, which bought you another day. But you were still reading really scummy. Look at the first post for this day. People were ready to pick up and vote you again immediately. (And I suggested we give you a chance to fight back.)

My voting you has nothing to do with saving anybody and my plan is we remove you today and swarmingu tomorrow, which I think will have us win the game.
 
mesonoxian said:
Yeah, pretty much. I got a town peek on you while there were still three active scum, you've seemed towny in your posting, and you presented your drawback first without copying anybody else's, all of which make me feel like you're probably town. Totadileplayz could have done a long con on us, but I think that is less likely than them actually being a Doctor. Since otherwise they let the doc live and burned a roleblock just for indirect late game cover. (It also makes the Night 1 save a little less miraculous, if scum had twice as likely a chance of hitting a protected towny).


You were reading heavy scum day 3, the only reason you survived was because Zaealix got outed by Scia and I suggested people switch votes from you to Zaealix, which bought you another day. But you were still reading really scummy. Look at the first post for this day. People were ready to pick up and vote you again immediately. (And I suggested we give you a chance to fight back.)

My voting you has nothing to do with saving anybody and my plan is we remove you today and swarmingu tomorrow, which I think will have us win the game.
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Yes, I was heavily scummy yesterday, no one wants to deny that.
Actively bussing Zaealix when there's such a strong claim as watcher is the only right thing to do unless you are at Lylo.

You claim to want to kill Swarmingu tomorrow. If I am correct and you are scum, we are missing a scum action for N1 IIRC. Which is a nice chance for a dousing. Putting that on a newb N1 is a safe bet. So your promise to kill Swarmingu later doesn't matter if we are already at Lylo. Then you just have to kill one player tonight and light up another. Leaves us with 2:2 tomorrow and a scum win.
 
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