There might've been some survivors - the old trope of the lone appendix escaping and such - but they'd be hard to find (to say the least) in the fuckhuge blizzard enveloping the whole region.
Turn 0 was a weird fuzzy time for this game's mechanics, such as they are. Don't really lean too hard on any data you find there.
How important are they? One of our big perks is massive population growth, but Hell Pit is a big city.
They still lack the technology and magic that the Empire of Man has at its disposal, and have never dealt with a fully united Under-Empire before. At maximum, I expect it to take 5 Authority, particularly since we can introduce outside-context problems like Drillfiends that they simply have never encountered before, which can let us breach a lot of their strongpoints comparatively quickly.
That's pretty much what I want to do. Hell Pit is a humongous city, and I think only Skavenblight's bigger, so evacuating it, even if we take into account focusing on tech stuff will be difficult. And a lot of the infrastructure simply won't be able to be evacuated.
For the record, are you counting 5 Authority as pure military spending or 5 Authority as related R&D for that foe+the full military attack? I think we may also be using slightly different definitions here.
Tarpitting Chaos is pointless and a waste of time, especially if it involves Daemons. It's the End Times, they get the benefit of limitless resourceless siege because fuck you they're Chaos.
Pure Military of course. What we have at the moment is perfectly good to use against Estalia. For all their unity, they're still mortal men that lack the technology and magic that makes the Empire of Man so impressive.
Nuh uh. We've got bigger concerns now.
This is something he's been hinting at is big, and it isn't either the big pass leading from the Northern Wastes into the Dark Lands, or that the Road of Skulls the Dwarves are taking is passing through.
Question, would spending an authority stealing as many of Estalia's ships as possible for our navy count to the overthrow Estalia authority count? Maybe half credit? Would it at least weaken them for our purposes?
It's a waste of authority/time. We cannot protect the Hell Pit indefinetly without just flat out taking Norsca. We'd have to renew the defenses again next year even if this worked. Long term it costs less authority to just move them to Estalia, and doing that gives us a free 2 authority towards overthrowing Estalia which is currently a pretty big threat for us.
The majority of Moulder lives in Hell Pit, and that being wiped out would in all likelihood lead to them plummeting in the Council and weaken the value of your Authority by a few degrees.
Okay, I was counting 7 as 2 Auth on Moulder to finish Taurus+Hashut to let their new beasts rule the day. That doesn't necessarily conflict.
Using the Question blindly or on a gut feeling is an incredible waste. If we figured out what to use it on specifically that would actually yield results, we would have basically done the legwork on it -anyway- and so rendering much of it moot.
That's also reflected in how much of their forces they brought to Cathay, presumably.
So move it to the Dark Lands or throw it into the fight elsewhere in some combination if it's too important to lose. Guarding the Hellpit against an enemy we'd prefer to have use their strength on someone else is a complete waste of resources. Authority spent to defend doesn't yield something permanent like that in terms of increasing forces--those get expended and need to do something permanent/equivalent to the enemy...who aren't going to run out either.
Just knowing about it OOC doesn't mean Thanquol's figured it out IC and how to respond to it. Considering that it's only usually flared up during when Thanquol was personally in danger, I think it's worth figuring out, far more than using it on Estalia.
But that's just it. We don't know what it is, so using Skreech's Question to figure out what it is and how we can counter it is far more useful than using it up fighting a bunch of mortal men who don't even have the hefty magic of the Empire or Cathay.
Sure, it'd weaken them. I can't say by exactly how much but it'd certainly make them easier to take by sea. Or you could use the ships to attack from the sea, that'd work as well.
Not that you know of yet.
So, can you confirm on whether or not trying to hold onto Hell Pit is actually hopeless since Chaos will just send more forces until it's wiped out? Or is it something we can conceivably hold without eating up more Authority than it'd take to evacuate it?
Speaking of which, is there sea access from the Port of Ruin to get around to this area or would they probably get interdicted in some fashion just trying it? (If we wanted to bring the ironclads into play this turn.)
It certainly is conveinent that Estalias most important and powerful cities are all port cities then. This is way more useful for attacking Estalia then it would be for a nation like the Empire or Bretonnia.
Well...by latitude, if Norsca is suffused in the warp, then from the Realm of Chaos going south Uzkulak could start seeing some issues at some point. The other thing is that the waterway link I just asked you about could be a problem. A Norscan marauding force could conceivably hit there unexpectedly (or even have been dropping by normally to conduct business with the Chaos Dwarves or something like that).You aren't even seeing the New World
I'll give you guys a piece of free but vague advice: look at a map (this one's probably best) and consider what Thanquol was thinking. It might help, though it's probably pretty difficult to find the link I'm hinting at.
And yeah the ogres are pretty much gone, with the exception of random hideaways and such.
Actually, hrmm,
Would you call this map accurate?
Acting like a bureaucRat is what is letting Skaven overperform
You can't tell where they're going next, if they are moving this turn.
Depends on a bunch of things, primarily how much Chaos itself is focusing on you. Right now they're primarily focused on stomping humanity/'good' races since that fits their preferred narrative, and chaos are really big on narrative, especially in daemonic forces. A Khornate chaos lord, for instance, might be smart enough to do a siege, but a khorne daemon won't do that pansy waiting stuff. So if you repel whatever attack might be coming Hell Pit's way, they might respond with bigger forces or they might just brush it off, depending on how exactly you repelled them/poked the metaphorical bear. Sorry I can't give a more specific answer, but think of it like this: Karak Dum was able to survive in the warp for 20 subjective years despite being repeatedly attacked by daemons because that fit their narrative of being really fucking hard to wear down, and often in the warp or warp-saturated areas like most of Norsca narrative matters more than fact. You could exploit this even, though I can't think of a specific way to do that at the moment. Daemon-related stuff would probably benefit a lot from that type of environment though. I'll mention that the norscan daemons seem mostly to be khornate at the moment, though.
Not any that I can see beyond just going around the Southlands, which would work, it'd just make them arrive pretty late in the turn.
Yep, it's the one I've been using actually.
Perhaps something like...
Excellent.
Basically summoning a giant/endless swarm of rats to help fuck up whatever daemon horde's trying to attack you there? You could do that, yeah, though if you didn't tie it to anything like an artifact or something it'd only be temporary.
Ah, the question that I didn't even know existed. We meet again, my old friend