I often ponder about Flandre. I mean is Flandre capable of killing Remila if she gets even more carried away with her"playing".
At least for this quest, Flandre has more power than Remilia, but Remilia has more control and more skill. In a straight fight between the two, Remilia would probably win, because while Flan is much stronger, she's not strong enough to one-shot Remilia, nor can she ignore her attacks, and Remilia can get more effective hits in. Flan knows this, and it's part of why she considers Remilia to be stronger. But that only applies if they're actually trying to kill each other; if they're really just playing, Remilia's in no real danger.

Of course, once you start adding in esoteric functions and magic, the situation becomes a great deal less clear.

And another thing, do touhou youkai have a true form besides their human girl form.
Again, head-/quest-canon: Some do, most don't. For example, Ran and Chen are beast youkai who gained power, so their "true form" would be a fox and cat, respectively. Most youkai aren't shapeshifters at all, though - what you see is what you get.
 
We admitted we were a magical monster to a person who hunts magical monsters, and I'm pretty sure that everyone and their grandmother knew that Mami wasn't gonna take that well. The rest of the flustercluck that was Mikitihara was due to futzing with Madoka's mom and the fallout of taking out two magical girls in front of Kyuubey as well as being an unknown from his perspective.

I'm beginning to think we're very... short term minded and quick to change goals. Just looking back at our decisions, Mami threatens us and looks to be nonnegotiable, we try aggressive diplomacy because we can intimidate and not charisma, and lose Kyouko Servant route immediately. After a but of fumbling, we find ourselves (supposedly) with the possibility of Octavia - NOT Sayaka - Servant get, and that looks like we screw up getting either - except by screwing with Junko, we somehow managed to unlock it again, but that time we were trying to lock on to Homura maid route, which we immediately lost by talking to Junko, then lost the Sayaka route without even knowing it existed. Then after that, we pretty much had NO goal at all, so massive destruction was the result. End result: No Goals met, unless carrying around Mami and Kyouko's Soul Gems counts for anything.

The TSAB, on the other hand, is a military organization that has far more reasoning and logic behind it than a teenage girl does; and who also already has a problem with obscuring information leading to shit going down hardcore.

I'm beginning to dread the clusterfuck flowchart that is the Nanoha-verse now. At least we're focused on one set of goals this entire time, just been unable to figure out how to GET there. Just because the TSAB is more sensible and logical doesn't mean we can still predict with any accuracy how our interactions will follow. Maybe we have some clues of the contents of the betting table, but it's far from reliable. Again, the prevailing thought at the time was 'Non-RF6 TSAB Sketch, work RF6 Angle' which turned to 'Work Church Angle' (which I'm not sure HOW that happened, still), which ended up getting deep sixed out of nowhere. So basically, we tried to avoid interacting directly with the TSAB and ended up where we are now.

Even still, I feel that being upfront with the TSAB would not exactly been to our benefit (or our goals) either. Beneficial for the TSAB, sure, but to us? Eh...
 
I'm beginning to think we're very... short term minded and quick to change goals.
That would be a very good summation of quest-canon Flandre, actually.

Again, the prevailing thought at the time was 'Non-RF6 TSAB Sketch, work RF6 Angle' which turned to 'Work Church Angle' (which I'm not sure HOW that happened, still),
Essentially, Flan's thought process was that the best way to get Vita on her side was to convince Vita to like her, and since Vita entrusted her to the Church, she would (try to) be good while she was there. If Flan had actually wanted to 'work the Church angle' she would have tried to learn more about it, but it was simply a means to an end for her.
 
Actually, what I wasn't sure what happened was the thought process of how we ended up AT the Church in the first place @_@
 
Actually, what I wasn't sure what happened was the thought process of how we ended up AT the Church in the first place @_@
Oh, that? After Flan passed out at the Simulator, Vita had a minor fit and called Hayate and asked her where she should take her; since there wasn't anything apparently seriously wrong that would require medical attention and she was worried that putting her somewhere TSAB had direct control might be ... unwise, given Flan's previous reactions to non-RF6 personnel, and because they were planning on shuffling Flan off to the Church anyway (because unless she became affiliated with the unit itself somehow, she shouldn't be there), it was the logical choice to put her until a more permanent solution could be found. IIRC, basically the same thing happened to Vivio in canon - she got shuffled off to the Church almost immediately after being found, and she was directly related to the case RF6 was investigating, seeing as she was found with a Relic.

Anyway, votes are not locked yet.
[X] ...Bored now
- [X] Break out and grab your soon to be servant Vita
-- [X] Break whatever is in your way, feast when necessary
--- [X] Then, make Vita your servant through whatever means necessary
---- [X] Oh, and kill that faker bitch who thinks she has your Lævateinn. That'll teach her not to pass off fakes as the real thing
6

[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
- [X] They can't really hold us. We've been playing nice.
9

[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
3

[X] Accept the terms as they stand - you're bored, and you want out. NOW.
3

[X] ...Bored now
- [X] Break out and grab your soon to be servant Vita
-- [X] Break whatever is in your way, feast when necessary
--- [X] Then, make Vita your servant through whatever means necessary
---- [X] Oh, and kill that faker bitch who thinks she has your Lævateinn. That'll teach her not to pass off fakes as the real thing
-----[X] and if anyone stong enough try to propose you. Kyuu them.
-------[X] If you see anything shiny and pretty they are holding. Take it!
2

[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
- [X] They can't really hold us. We've been playing nice.
--[x] If they refuse, leave.
---[x] Break out and make your own way.
2
 
[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
- [X] They can't really hold us. We've been playing nice.
 
[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
- [X] They can't really hold us. We've been playing nice.

changing vote to this
 
Votes are now locked.
[X] ...Bored now
- [X] Break out and grab your soon to be servant Vita
-- [X] Break whatever is in your way, feast when necessary
--- [X] Then, make Vita your servant through whatever means necessary
---- [X] Oh, and kill that faker bitch who thinks she has your Lævateinn. That'll teach her not to pass off fakes as the real thing
6

[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
- [X] They can't really hold us. We've been playing nice.
11

[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
3

[X] Accept the terms as they stand - you're bored, and you want out. NOW.
2

[X] ...Bored now
- [X] Break out and grab your soon to be servant Vita
-- [X] Break whatever is in your way, feast when necessary
--- [X] Then, make Vita your servant through whatever means necessary
---- [X] Oh, and kill that faker bitch who thinks she has your Lævateinn. That'll teach her not to pass off fakes as the real thing
-----[X] and if anyone stong enough try to propose you. Kyuu them.
-------[X] If you see anything shiny and pretty they are holding. Take it!
2

[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
- [X] They can't really hold us. We've been playing nice.
--[x] If they refuse, leave.
---[x] Break out and make your own way.
2
 
Forcing Negotiations
[X] Demand to see whoever's making the decision so you can argue your own case.
- [X] They can't really hold us. We've been playing nice.


You stand there for a moment, and you can hear Verosssa breathe out softly. You quickly spin to face him, a wide smile on your face. "Hey, Verossa? Take me to whoever's trying to make the decision, okay? I want to talk to them." He looks apprehensive, so you clasp your hands in front of your chest and pout. "Please~? I'll be good!"

"Will you promise that you won't attack anyone?" You scoff.

"Of course not! I don't plan on doing any fighting, but I'm not going to make a promise like that," you say proudly. "The only thing I plan on doing is talking." He stares at you for a long moment, then sighs and closes his eyes. You wonder why Patchouli doesn't do things like that; it seems like the sort of thing she'd go for. You find a clear spot on the wall and lean back, eyes bright, and soon enough Verossa's eye's open.

"Alright, Miss Scarlet, I have permission to take you to the council. Please don't make this any more difficult, however." You grin and take a step forward, then look down. You're still wearing that silly white outfit, and that will hardly do! You pull the shirt off - rip it off, rather, since you aren't taking care to fit it around your wings - and reach for one of your red dresses. Verossa makes an odd sound and spins away from you as you gently put the dress on. You take off the pants, then consider whether to save the outfit - but with a ruined top it wouldn't serve much use. You toss them onto the bed, then tear off the strange bracelets. A shame there's no mirror here ... you shrug and pirouette, making sure the dress fits properly. You rather wish you had some shoes, but you don't think going barefoot will spoil the effect too much.

"Alright, Verossa, I'm ready to go," you say, and he turns around. He doesn't seem particularly happy about what you've done, but doesn't say anything as he opens the door and walks out into the hallway. You follow him and nearly hit him in the back with one of your wings when he stops in the middle of the hallway. He glances at you, then holds himself straight, and a green triangle appears on the floor below you. You stare at it, trying to imprint its design and markings into your memory - then there's a flash of light and you're standing somewhere completely different ... and the air smells much fresher. He sets off at a reasonable pace, and you keep up with him, as do the four guards you've somehow acquired. You wonder if they're trying to impress you or make themselves feel better.

It's not long before you reach your destination. Verossa takes a deep breath before opening the door and stepping through. You follow him and find yourself in a large meeting room of some kind - one whole wall is nothing but windows, and between that and the skylights in the ceiling there's enough sun in the room to make you uncomfortable. You briefly consider taking out your parasol, but decide that if you're in here long enough for that to be necessary then the situation is probably unsalvageable. You look down the long, L-shaped table - you recognize some people, like Carim and Gaiz, and Harlaown and the brown-haired woman who was in charge at Vita's place, but most of them are unfamiliar to you, just faces in different uniforms. As you walk toward the center of the hypotenuse, Gaiz snorts.

"Huh. Walking about as though you were free ... and I thought you didn't want to make a statement!" You sweep your gaze across the table imperiously, then set your eyes on the man. To his credit, he holds your gaze.

"I'm not planning on making a statement; I'm simply wondering what's taking you all so long." You see frowns on nearly everyone's faces now.

"... If you don't mind my saying so, it's only been two days. Someone your age should be able to be a bit more patient." Your eyes snap to the blue-uniformed woman. So do most others', though many refocus on you when she doesn't continue.

"Of course I can be patient," you say. "I can be very, very patient - but as you said, it's been two days. Two days in which no decision has been made, which means that either any actual decision is going to take a very long time to come about, or someone has all the aces and is simply trying to get the other side to give in to as many demands as he can get in order to let them get what they want. So I'm here to get the issue resolved, because I'm bored. If it doesn't get resolved, I'll leave - you can't hold me." Some faces grow thoughtful, some get dark.

"Was that a threat?" You gaze amusedly at Gaiz for a moment before answering.

"Of course it wasn't; it was a statement of fact. It's true that you can't hold me if I want to go free, just as it's true that I haven't tried to kill anyone here. A threat would be ...." You tap your lips thoughtfully, then grin. "Oh, something like, 'Let me use the Church as my own personal castle or I'll kill everyone here,' or, 'Sooner or later, my sister is going to come to get me, and if you've treated me poorly she'll make you suffer for decades before she lets you die.' Those are threats; that I can break out of any prison you try to put me in is a fact." You glance along the table one more time, prepared to leave, when the Church's leader lets out a small laugh. You tilt your head as you gaze curiously at her.

"You know, Miss Scarlet, you're a very complicated individual," she says, smiling gently. You shake your head.

"No, I'm very simple. There are things I want, and things I don't want. I'm usually pretty direct about what they are, too." You sweep your gaze down the table one more time, then nod. "Well, make sure to hurry up about that decision, will you? I'll be waiting in the hall." You wink at Gaiz, then turn and walk out of the room, closing the door behind you. You walk down the hall a bit, then sit back against the wall to wait.

....

Almost half an hour later, Verossa steps out and walks over to you. "Well, Miss Scarlet, a ... an agreement has been reached. You would be attached to one of the Capital Defense Corps units, part of the Ground Forces, and would be required to obey their orders. Your movements will be watched; you would need to have a tracking device with you at all times. Your actions and activities would be restricted. You would be required to undergo medical testing ...." He trails off.

"Is that it?"

"Broadly, yes." He sighs. "A lot of it is folded under the 'required to obey orders' clause. Whether or not you're allowed to do any particular thing would likely rely on whether you can convince your commander. It's not a particularly fair deal, but it's the one you have."


What do you do?

[ ] Accept the deal.

[ ] Reject the deal.
- [ ] Violently.
- [ ] Non-violently.
 
[ x] Reject the deal.
- [ x] Non-violently with a hint of threat

yeah don't like having our privacy violated. And we are Scarlet we don't obey anyone! ( heck I don't think Flan even obeys her sister as it is said that Flandre acts like a cheeky brat to her sister... It would be OOC of her to let this stranger control her.)
 
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Oh yea, this is a military type organization. If we wanted to be part of "the team" we would have to take orders...

Not sure if that is a worthwhile tradeoff for getting stuff to destroy and new places to see...
 
Oh yea, this is a military type organization. If we wanted to be part of "the team" we would have to take orders...

Not sure if that is a worthwhile tradeoff for getting stuff to destroy and new places to see...

it is not... at least not in Flandre's mind. She loves destroying things and only person she respects is her sister remilia scarlet... so why should she let this stranger control her?
 
[X] Accept the deal.
-[x]I've got centuries on them and will probably live for centuries more. I can afford to try this.
-[x]Request an option to leave after 10 years. Let's not make this open-ended.
-[x]If they reject amendments or clarifications completely out of hand, begin the massacre.
 
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[X] Accept the deal.
-[x]I've got centuries on them and will probably live for centuries more. I can afford to try this.
-[x]Request an option to leave after 10 years. Let's not make this open-ended.
-[x]If they reject amendments or clarifications out of hand, begin the massacre.
...
why would Flan accept it? o_O Why would she respect this stranger?
 
Well, as their deal is a clear improvement over current status-quo or an inevitable streamline of us appearing, people learning about our nature and rampage that follows, we probably can accept it as a TEMPORARY compromise. May need to specify the time in this case (not too much though, we don't want to make our sisters worry to much or make a long-term plans concerning this world atm) and/or additional point or two. This way we can safely explore this world further, maybe learn something important/interesting and a good fight will find us in the end, as it never have been otherwise.
 
...
why would Flan accept it? o_O Why would she respect this stranger?
She does not need to respect some military guy just because she is told to do so. I prefer to see it as "trying a new approach to see what happens". After all, never in Flandre's life she was able to get a non-hostile interactions with a society knowing about her nature aside a very few people and Violence is something we can always go back to.

But really, talking of years at this point looks kinda too much. More like a few weeks at best as a "temporary compromise". It's not like we will lose more than we can possibly gain out of the situation.
 
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She's bored, she's expressed an interest in joining the Bureau, combine that with the smugness of being an immortal vampire and she may consider it. Also I think it may be fun to be Alucard for a while.

she is bored but she also hates the fact that she has to OBEY these humans. So we should reject it until they give us total freedom! Also they should give us more privacy... don't like how they are putting Big Brother on us.
 
[ x] Reject the deal.
- [ x] Non-violently with a hint of threat

[x] Reject the deal.
- [ x] Non-violently with a hint of threat
Flandre made no statement regarding special requests, nor did she clarify any particular points she wanted when she went to talk to them. Rejecting the deal is just that - Flan will go her own way. The difference in the level of violence is whether she carves a burning swathe through the tower when she leaves or if she just walks out and only tears apart people who try to stop her.

And we are Scarlet we don't obey anyone! ( heck I don't think Flan even obeys her sister as it is said that Flandre acts like a cheeky brat to her sister... It would be OOC of her to let this stranger control her.)
Per quest canon, Flandre does listen to her sister, although it is true that it's as much because she respects Remilia as because her points make sense.
 
Flandre made no statement regarding special requests, nor did she clarify any particular points she wanted when she went to talk to them. Rejecting the deal is just that - Flan will go her own way. The difference in the level of violence is whether she carves a burning swathe through the tower when she leaves or if she just walks out and only tears apart people who try to stop her.
I DO believe she should just walk out right now and then... And tear apart if anyone stops us.
 
[x]Tentatively accept the deal.
-[x]Ask to be put in Vita's group.


The implication that we're much less likely to renege in that group might well be enough to see us getting it... .
 
I have been summoned...

[X] Reject the deal.
- [X] Non-violently with a hint of threat
-- [X] Time to channel some of your sister's charisma here
--- [X] "Your pitiful attempts to assert whatever delusions of authority or control you have over this situation is...quaint. Adorable even. Like a puppy yapping at someone because it thinks it's ten times larger and stronger than it actually is, when the truth is far from that simple fantasy."
---- [X] "I have been most generous with you all, excessively so if my sister or any other of her social standing were in my place. I even let you play soldier and general for awhile even, went along with the whole song and dance, just so you wouldn't feel too sorry about yourselves. But apparently, I have left a rather...misleading impression of things; and for that I'm sorry."
----- [X] "I am Flandre Scarlet, of the most noble and ancient house of Scarlet; of which we can trace our lineage back to that of Vlad Tepes, better known as Dracula. First and strongest of our kind, and of which my sister and I are direct descendants of." (Technically, you're pretty sure Remi was lying about that; but nobody could really call you out on it), "With but a wave of her hand, my sister could forever condemn your fate and destiny to ruination; and with a clench of mine I can devastate this entire world. This is again, not a threat or bragging, but a simple truth; just as you can crush an ant so casually, so too can I do so with with your world. I see how all things break, I see how I can break them, and I know how...fragile everything really is."
------ [X] "So, I propose that you...reconsider just what you are planning and proposing; accept the simple truth that lies before you, and come to the only real conclusion that can be had here: I will be released, with no bindings or watchers or anything of the like; and you will accommodate my every whim and need, lest I become most...displeased with my stay upon your world. I will take what I want, do what I wish to, enjoy myself as I see fit; and when I am finally bored I shall depart from here and leave you be. Otherwise, if I am impeded or interfered with in any fashion, I assure you; you will all pay for it. And your suffering will be legendary..."

If it seems ostentatious and over the top, it's meant to be; canon Remilia isn't actually all that charismatic, she just plays and acts like it like a child of her appearance would when told to be 'a charismatic noblewoman'.
 
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