Killing Rider
[X] Kill Rider and continue talking.


Rider's Master stares plaintively at her Servant and stretches her arm toward her. Rider moves her arms as well, but not to try and reach her Master – instead, she tries to reach up and break your grip on her. You twist her head the other way, then snap it back, relishing the crunch of bone. The Master's face pales as Rider's arms drop limply, and you finish the task completely, ripping the Servant's head off completely and holding it by the hair. Come to think of it, isn't that how she's usually depicted? Decapitated, with her killer holding her head by its serpentine hair?

"Ri- … -der?" The girl stares at the head, eyes broken, hands twitching.

"Yes. She should have stayed with Emiya, like you told her to, and if she had to come here then she shouldn't have tried attacking me. Still, I suppose this is for the best." The girl's eyes blaze and she snarls as shadow-giants begin springing up from the ground around you.

"For the best? You … you …!" You sigh at her sudden drop in courtesy.

"Yes. You see, now you don't have a conflict of interests – you are no longer a Master, so you don't need to worry about whatever wish you wanted granted. As the keeper of the Grail, you simply need to continue being until someone wins." Rider's body begins fading away, dissolving into motes of light, and the girl falls to her knees once more.

"You took her from me. You took her from me!"

"Ha!" Her head jerks up at your bark of laughter. "Took her from you? You are now closer to her than you ever were! You are the Lesser Grail, are you not? You hold the defeated Servants within yourself, do you not? Rider has been slain, has she not? And so she now goes to dwell within you. Hold her, and find peace!" You cast the Servant's head on the ground by the Grail and she stares at you for a moment before reaching out and picking it up, hugging it close. You wait until there's nothing left and the Grail's tears no longer flow. "Now, disperse these shadows and we shall resume our talk." She giggles and smiles at you as the shadow-giants loom over you.

"You … you're afraid of them. You aren't perfect, you can't beat them all!" Even more begin rising behind you, but it seems the Grail is having trouble maintaining them all – she's shaking and beginning to sweat. You yawn nonchalantly. This really would be a great time to explain about Tohsaka's secret weapon, except that she'll probably take it for the bluff it is. Better to save it for when you're on the offensive.

"Let's assume you're correct, and you actually can maintain enough minions to challenge me. In that situation, it would come to pass that I would not be so stupid as to fight them – no, little Grail, I would challenge you. And child, you're centuries too young to even consider fighting me." You lean forward menacingly and grin viciously. "Now, put them away or we can pick up where we left off before. You know, the part where I was about to eat you because you were stupid enough to try infecting me with your pitiful poison?" You lick your lips and take a step forward; the girl tries to scramble back. Her minions persist, however, so you advance slowly toward her. "You try what very little patience I have, Grail. Shall I simply drink from your ever-flowing cup and be rid of them that way?" Something snaps and she finally turns and starts crawling away from you, scrambling quickly over the rocks of the cavern – and her shadow-giants begin fading away as well. You halt and conceal a sigh of relief. Maybe you can use her after all. "So, is the Grail in a usable condition?" She finally realizes that you're no longer stalking her and turns to look at you.

"… Just a little bit more." You cock your head to the side.

"Until someone can make a wish?" She giggles and shakes her head.

"Uh-uh. A wish is already being granted. Hehehe! He is going to be born … Angra Mainyu." Not a name you're familiar with … Indian, maybe? "He's been in there, waiting for his chance to kill everyone. Once he's finally out, he'll have his revenge." She giggles again and you wonder if maybe killing Rider wasn't the best thing to do.

"So who is this Angra Mainyu, and can he be convinced to wait, or to share the power for a wish?" The Grail stares at you before laughing.

"She – she didn't tell you? Ahahahaha!" You let her continue for a few seconds before throwing yourself forward and wrapping your hand around her left eye. One of the disadvantages of such a small frame – it's not quite as threatening as when a burly, hulking, seven-foot werewolf lifts someone by wrapping a meaty paw around the person's head … but it works. "Th-th-the E-Einzberns. They ch-cheat … all the time. This time, they took the strongest hero, made him even stronger, and gave him the most powerful Master. Last time, they used King Arthur and an outsider, a mercenary mage-killer. And the time before that … they summoned him. Angra Mainyu. All the World's Evil. Someone like that would be the best Servant, wouldn't he? No one would be better at killing humans than him … but he wasn't what they expected. He was the first Servant to die, and the Grail accepted his wish. And now I'm going to be his mother. And everyone's going to pay. They're all going to die. It's not our fault, we didn't ask to be like this!" You let her go and she rises unsteadily. Your mind turns to Archer – how much of this did he know?

"So we can't use the Grail to make a wish ourselves, then? At least not until after he's already come out, at which point things will be a little too interesting to make a wish. … You know you're going to kill Emiya, too, if this Angra Mainyu comes out, right?" Her giggles subside and she places a hand over her chest.

"Yes. Senpai will die, too; he'll be eaten by me, and always be with me. He'll be mine, only mine." Just like Rider. She laughs again, despite the tears that are beginning to fall from her eyes. Maybe she's too far gone to be useful? Still, you have some useful information now – at least, information that you didn't have before. The corruption in the Grail was caused by some kind of super-Servant the Einzberns tried using, but it went wrong and he's trying to come out. And if he does, then Archer's Cleaner friends will probably come in to deal with him; if it weren't for that, you would consider pulling him out and seeing if the Grail is usable for any of Ilya's purposes. As for the Grail herself … she seems cowed enough, and the only remaining Servants are at Ilya's, so nothing more can happen. Would it be worth the risk to bring her back to Ilya's, so she and Tohsaka can talk to her and see if they can convince her to help? Or should you just tell her to stay here and be good while you go back to make sure everyone knows what's going on? You glance up at the obelisk … what as it Patchouli said about energy fields more concentrated than your own …?


What do you do?

[ ] OM NOM NOM: Feed on the Great Grail

[ ] Take the Lesser Grail back to Ilya's castle.
- [ ] Knock her out first.

[ ] Extract a promise that she won't do anything and go back to discuss things with Ilya and Tohsaka.

[ ] Keep talking.
- About?

[ ] Other?


DM Note: Next Update will be on Wednesday, owing to the lateness of this one and such. Also, I am considering an omake involving Patchouli, but I've hit a stumbling block regarding whether or not Koakuma does something mischievous, and I'm not sure how I should resolve said block. Although said omake does require that Ilya still be alive, which is part of why I'm holding off on actually writing it, so there's that.
 
Wait, how did Sakura learn about Angra Mainyu? How'd she get his name? It's been a long time since I read the original material, but I recall Sakura mostly acting out her grievances and taking revenge on all.

Where the hell did this knowledge come from? Ilya at least was able to channel Justicia at points, but Sakura never showed the capability.

I'm confused as to how Sakura become the Keeper of Lore here. And somewhat annoyed if this is just a new development added for the Quest, because if Sakura didn't have that knowledge and certainty of what happens, along with Flan clearly not knowing, she'd probably be more pliable.

If this is jutification in canon, well mia culpa, but as it is, I'm mostly confused. It's certainly good knowledge for Flan to know, vital even in many regards. I'd very much like to know how Flan knows though.
 
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Sigh...and she's lost her marbles.


[X] Keep talking as you scour Sakura and the Grail cavern for additional 'Eyes', leave the grail, the proper Servants within it and its current host intact, while you Break the ones that shouldn't be there.
 
Wait, how did Sakura learn about Angra Mainyu? How'd she get his name? It's been a long time since I read the original material, but I recall Sakura mostly acting out her grievances and taking revenge on all.

Where the hell did this knowledge come from? Ilya at least was able to channel Justicia at points, but Sakura never showed the capability.

I'm confused as to how Sakura become the Keeper of Lore here. And somewhat annoyed if this is just a new development added for the Quest, because if Sakura didn't have that knowledge and certainty of what happens, along with Flan clearly not knowing, she'd probably be more pliable.

If this is jutification in canon, well mia culpa, but as it is, I'm mostly confused. It's certainly good knowledge for Flan to know, vital even in many regards. I'd very much like to know how Flan knows though.

Angra Mainyu is POSSESSING her now. He knows his own name.

Like, thats the reason not to kill Rider? She's only got control by a hair, then we handed the advantage to the Grail.
 
[X] Take the Lesser Grail to the Einzbern forest.
-[X] Call for Archer to relay the message remotely, he can probably hear you just fine. You're not sure you want the Lesser Grail in range of the other two Servants until its sorted out

If we want to finish fucking it up, knock Sakura out so the Black Grail no longer has any bonds on it.

Drinking the Grail is probably LESS fucky
 
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Angra Mainyu is POSSESSING her now. He knows his own name.

Like, thats the reason not to kill Rider? She's only got control by a hair, then we handed the advantage to the Grail.

They have a contract now, but she's still Sakura. That's...kind of the whole point of a significant number of scenes in HF. This isn't a foreign entity possessing her; the dark impulses, it's all Sakura in her worst light. I mean AM's still connected and lashing out through her even when Sakura comes to her senses, but he's never mentioned as speaking through her. Not to my memory.

I'm not sure AM does know his own name either, and before anyone calls me out on that, I'm recalling a lot of talk from Kotomine and others about AM still waiting to be born. I'm not sure he's sentient in there so much as the Grail is just waiting to wish him into proper existence.

EDIT: Hell the AM about to be born isn't even the Servant in the world, it's actual wish for the existence of all the evil's of mankind to exist. All the Evils doesn't truly exist until the Grail makes it so

And that would be a valid reason to keep Rider alive, wish you'd brought it up, but at the same time....well, as the update notes, Sakura has been cowed now.

Honestly if we drag her outside, we could just break her, and the Grail, and be done with it.

Possibly one of the bigger threats right now may actually be Zouken's final play, whatever it may be.
 
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Wait, how did Sakura learn about Angra Mainyu? How'd she get his name? It's been a long time since I read the original material, but I recall Sakura mostly acting out her grievances and taking revenge on all.
Well, there's this:
Sakura said:
That gold person was showered with the contents of the Holy Grail, which connected him to it. But it couldn't taint that man, so it flowed into you, his Master. Right?
And you were resurrected.
Avenger. Your life was saved because Angra Manyu supplied you with magical energy."

"Ha I see. Then this is…"
"Yes. You're connected to Angra Manyu. But I'm Angra Manyu.
Also:
Rin and Ilya said:
"You know about it, Ilya…!? You know what that shadow is, and what Sakura's possessed by…!?"
"Yeah. I got the information out of Sakura, so I understand what's going on.
What we have to do. What, exactly, you've made into your enemy."
Ilya was only 'Lore Keeper' by proxy, apparently - she gets a lot of information from Sakura after being taken back to the Einzbern castle.
 
You glance up at the obelisk … what as it Patchouli said about energy fields more concentrated than your own …?
Evil Overlord List said:
22. No matter how tempted I am with the prospect of unlimited power, I will not consume any energy field bigger than my head.
Must... not... be... tempted... Even though it'd be so much fun.

Why don't we just nip this in the bud? Kill her right now? Before anything actually bad happens.
Is there any chance Ilya could be harmed by the other Lesser Grail dying? If not, I see no reason to not just end this now.
 
Well, there's this:

Also:

Ilya was only 'Lore Keeper' by proxy, apparently - she gets a lot of information from Sakura after being taken back to the Einzbern castle.

Huh. I completely forgot that. Okay then.

I meant take her to the forest, then yell at Archer or skywrite with Laevatein...

Don't we still have ranged communication? Assuming it hasn't been burned out. We can speak through that.
 
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[X] OM NOM NOM: Feed on the Great Grail

Go forth and eat the energy field bigger then your head Flan!
 
[X] OM NOM NOM: Feed on the Great Grail

Specifically because it sounds like it'd be cool as fuck and something interesting has to happen.
 
[X] Take the Lesser Grail back to Ilya's castle.
- [X] After you arrived let Satsuki activate the Garden of Deplation around us and the Lesser Grail. Speak with Sakura again after she is cut off from the main Grail and Angra Manyu.

This is why we have Satsuki with us in the first place. She is a Dead Apostle Ancestor with reality marble that drains magic, so why not use her properly?

Deplation Garden - world where nothing lives and magic is drained from the world, leaving behind a wasteland of dying trees ...
 
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[x] Extract a promise that she won't do anything and go back to discuss things with Ilya and Tohsaka.

FLANDRE PUNCH

Best not to bring her back to Tohsaka and the others just yet, or she might just eat Berserker and Archer and then we'd be turbofucked
 
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  • [X] OM NOM NOM: Feed on the Great Grail
    [X] Take the Lesser Grail to the Einzbern forest.
    -[X] Call for Archer to relay the message remotely, he can probably hear you just fine. You're not sure you want the Lesser Grail in range of the other two Servants until its sorted out
    [X] Take the Lesser Grail back to Ilya's castle.
    - [X] Knock her out first.
    - - [X] After you arrived let Satsuki activate the Garden of Deplation around us and the Lesser Grail. Speak with Sakura again after she is cut off from the main Grail and Angra Manyu.
    [x] Extract a promise that she won't do anything and go back to discuss things with Ilya and Tohsaka.
 
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