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Flandre's Quest (Touhou) World - (Madness Quest)

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Isn't Ershin walking Purifier armor? Inside it is probably as safe as Ilya can get, if the Purifier wards actually hold back the Shadow.
 
HymnOfRagnarok said:
Isn't Ershin walking Purifier armor? Inside it is probably as safe as Ilya can get, if the Purifier wards actually hold back the Shadow.
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That's a pretty big if, but it could be possible. The Carronade fired hexes of pretty similar make to the Shadow, after all, but the question is whether the Shadow being made up of way more curses would be able to overwhelm the wards.

I imagine it'd work for a while, but I don't want to see a Blackened Deis in any case.
 
Stormgear said:
That's a pretty big if, but it could be possible. The Carronade fired hexes of pretty similar make to the Shadow, after all, but the question is whether the Shadow being made up of way more curses would be able to overwhelm the wards.

I imagine it'd work for a while, but I don't want to see a Blackened Deis in any case.
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I was thinking more protection for Ilya in case of emergency.

Though, come to think of it, Herk might not be able to fight the Shadow but he might punch an escape tunnel out of thw mountain.
 
Hmm. So we do have a GTFO card and can run if needed.

Also, Ershin was thrown away, into a building.

I'm not sure the Shadow did that to anyone else. If that implies it can't simply destroy Ershin normally, great.
 
Entropy Judge said:
A couple of posts that may (or may not) prove helpful regarding the events of this update (and, hopefully, the next).
[X] *Try to evaluate if fake sister*
[X] "Hi sis! Er, you're not another fake? Right? Cuz it...

[X] Ask Deis what happened.
- [X] Ask Ilya if she knows anything about what attacked.
[X] See...

Hm. *Fiddles around with Bookmark settings*
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Hmmmn.

Deis said:
...there was definitely some kind of passive effect that it was trying to use on me, that was eroding the flagstones, but my barriers kept it from doing anything major to me.
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When she says flagstones, which ones are she talking about? Because there ARE those pillars in Ershin's mindscape, and if the shadow was degrading those, then... That's really, really bad.

Deis said:
...it generates cold and darkness, and a terrifying foreboding of meaninglessness.
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That raises a good point. What would that do to something like Flan? I can't remember if she's the kind of Youkai that's heavily dependent on Belief or not. If she is, that would be... really bad.

Remilia said:
"I have an idea. Moreover, I know that neither you nor I can fight them effectively. Against the weakest of her siblings, the pair of us might suffice." You glare at her, but she's not looking at you, only staring oddly at one of the walls. "Give it a few centuries. Everything dies eventually, and even if she's impregnable, there are ways. If nothing else, a horde of nieces and nephews ought to be enough to render her … distinctly unhappy." She smiles oddly, in a way you've only seen a few times. You don't like it when she does this, when she gives you a good reason to wait and not do something - but she'll probably stop you if you try to go against her.
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...I wonder if that same overwhelming conceptual power applies to Angra Mainyu and the Shadow, too? Hrmn.

Remilia said:
Then she holds up three ivory rods the length of your thumb, two white and one black. "Or, if you wish, I can give you these. The white ones, if broken, will simply open the available portals and you may choose to enter one whenever you wish. The black one will take you straight to the Mansion when broken. You will be unchaperoned, although Patchouli will check in on you occasionally. You do not have to use the keys to travel between the worlds, but to move about otherwise will require you to find … alternate methods of travel, as you appear to have discovered already. And once all three are consumed, you will need to finish your time with the Bureau before returning home."
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...How many of these have we used already? Because if we wanted to, we could just grab the girls, grab Satsuki and the maids, and then nope the fuck out.

Also interesting: Deis noted that as soon as the Shadow had sight of Caster, it went straight for her and pretty much ignored everything she was doing-- right up until Deis overspent herself trying to attack it.

I think we need to cut and run here. We've got a head start and I'm willing to bet that Flan's faster than the Shadow, may be best to use it.
 
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Stormgear said:
Welp, that's the Shadow. The thing's basically invulnerable to conventional attacks, and apparently lacks a concept of death. Flan certainly can't crush its eye if she can't see it.
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Not QUITE invulnerable to conventional attacks. It can be driven back with energy attacks not originating from Servants, the main defensive power of it is that it's actually a projection and thus endlessly replaceable.

[X] Try to hold off the Shadow yourself.
-[X] Focus on fire and magic rather than physical attacks, it doesn't look very substantial.
 
[X] Get Deis to help you while Ilya keeps working.

Hopefully Illya thinks fast, and knows what the hell to do.
 
[X] Put Ilya in the armor and get out of here.

Yeah, pretty sure this can't be salvaged at this point. Sorry Iyla, but we already lost Caster, we're not losing Deis. Or you.
 
[X] Try to hold off the Shadow yourself.
-[X] Focus on fire and magic rather than physical attacks, it doesn't look very substantial.

Ilya is the best chance for actually beating the Shadow because she can identify the source for us to blow up. But it's not hard to just smash them in the meantime.
 
Stormgear said:
When she says flagstones, which ones are she talking about?
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Ryuudou Temple flagstones. The Shadow does not play nice with unprotected objects.

Stormgear said:
...How many of these have we used already?
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Just the one to get from BoFIV to F/SN. The trip to BoFIV was a freebie.

ultima333 said:
Does the Shadow have an Eye we can see?
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...?
Entropy Judge said:
You look at it, try to find its eye, but almost immediately you have to close your eyes as some kind of pressure threatens to burst them. You'd rather not go blind right now. You didn't see its eye, though, so maybe it is just a projection of some kind … probably. Maybe it was just too clouded for you to see it, though.
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[X] Put Ilya in the armor and get out of here.
- [X] Stay and fight the Shadow while Deis and Ilya escape.
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[X] Try to hold off the Shadow yourself.
-[X] Focus on fire and magic rather than physical attacks, it doesn't look very substantial.
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[X] Get Deis to help you while Ilya keeps working.
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[X] Put Ilya in the armor and get out of here.
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ultima333 said:
Does the Shadow have an Eye we can see?

How big of a 'splosion do you think it would make?
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Its a Projection. We're looking at the shadow cast by Sakura, through the Grail(this is what Ilya is studying and why the shadow is attacking right now). We can scatter the shadows, but as long as the source remains, they reform easily.

Basically running means we escape the current engagement, but lose the ability to actually conclude this, while staying risks Flandre, but progresses towards realizing how to steal control of the Grail back to Ilya and sacrifice Angra Mainyu to perform Heaven's Feel.
 
veekie said:
Its a Projection. We're looking at the shadow cast by Sakura, through the Grail(this is what Ilya is studying and why the shadow is attacking right now). We can scatter the shadows, but as long as the source remains, they reform easily.

Basically running means we escape the current engagement, but lose the ability to actually conclude this, while staying risks Flandre, but progresses towards realizing how to steal control of the Grail back to Ilya and sacrifice Angra Mainyu to perform Heaven's Feel.
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I agree that running gives up the chance to try and solve this at the source, but I'm not convinced there's actually a workable solution that isn't just writing off Heaven's Feel entirely, and blowing the place to kingdom come.

If we still had Caster, I'd say we might have a chance. As it is, I feel like Ilya is just trying to salvage the ritual to keep Herakles without crippling pain.

I dunno; feels like we'd be better off just going to kill Sakura. In mind that's the other solution, and one we're more likely to pull off.
 
HymnOfRagnarok said:
I agree that running gives up the chance to try and solve this at the source, but I'm not convinced there's actually a workable solution that isn't just writing off Heaven's Feel entirely, and blowing the place to kingdom come.

If we still had Caster, I'd say we might have a chance. As it is, I feel like Ilya is just trying to salvage the ritual to keep Herakles without crippling pain.

I dunno; feels like we'd be better off just going to kill Sakura. In mind that's the other solution, and one we're more likely to pull off.
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Ilya literally does this in Heaven's Feel route by figuring it out while Shirou and Rin acts as distractions.

Except she sacrificed herself for the dying Shirou instead of using the miracle for herself
 
veekie said:
Ilya literally does this in Heaven's Feel route by figuring it out while Shirou and Rin acts as distractions.

Except she sacrificed herself for the dying Shirou instead of using the miracle for herself
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*scratchs head*

I really don't remember it like that, although it was a very Deux Ex Bullshit moment to save Shirou. And I'm pretty damn sure Ilya wasn't hanging around the cavern studying the runes, because Dark Sakura owned that space for a while.

EDIT: Meh, I shouldn't cast votes while sleep deprieved but whatever.

[X] Try to hold off the Shadow yourself.
-[X] Focus on fire and magic rather than physical attacks, it doesn't look very substantial.
 
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veekie said:
Ilya literally does this in Heaven's Feel route by figuring it out while Shirou and Rin acts as distractions.

Except she sacrificed herself for the dying Shirou instead of using the miracle for herself
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I'm looking through a playthrough of Heaven's Feel and can't find it. The only time I see that they actually head down into the cave is during the finale when Rin and Shirou go after Sakura.

The time they try to hold the Shadow back, Archer gets impaled and absorbed, and then the Shadow eats all the mana in the surrounding area, so...
 
Stormgear said:
I'm looking through a playthrough of Heaven's Feel and can't find it. The only time I see that they actually head down into the cave is during the finale when Rin and Shirou go after Sakura.

The time they try to hold the Shadow back, Archer gets impaled and absorbed, and then the Shadow eats all the mana in the surrounding area, so...
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Did she destroy any spells or magic headed her way? I remember Sakura and her Imaginary Numbers affinity made her reall good against spiritual entities, and Angry Manjew + Matou Magic made her so powerful she could start affecting living bodies.

Truthfully none of the options are ideal because we are fighting the Shadow in what is more or less its place of power, but some may be better than others.
 
HymnOfRagnarok said:
Did she destroy any spells or magic headed her way? I remember Sakura and her Imaginary Numbers affinity made her reall good against spiritual entities, and Angry Manjew + Matou Magic made her so powerful she could start affecting living bodies.

Truthfully none of the options are ideal because we are fighting the Shadow in what is more or less its place of power, but some may be better than others.
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Mostly the Shadow just charged through whatever anyone was throwing at it, and then burst when it had absorbed enough mana, covering the entire region in mud. This thing is scary, man.
 
Stormgear said:
Mostly the Shadow just charged through whatever anyone was throwing at it, and then burst when it had absorbed enough mana, covering the entire region in mud. This thing is scary, man.
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Ehh. Deis did manage to slow it down before and Herk did last a fair bit of time before it took him in canon, but it's been a long time since I've read Heaven's Feel.

@veekie is right in that Ilya did figure out how to preserve Shirou's soul, although honestly I'm not entirely clear on how she pulled that miracle out of her ass.
 
As far as the Heaven's Feel ending goes, remember that Ilya walked into the cavern wearing the Dress of Heaven - IE, she had some idea of what she was doing before she went in. And also, near as I can tell, she shut down the Grail system ... which Quest!Ilya isn't thinking about yet. She's still looking to see if the Grail can be repaired.
 
I'm kind of of the opinion here that Ilya is our best chance of stopping this thing. It may be possible to repair the grail, but it's also possible that it's unsalvagable-- or that the process of extracting Angra Mainyu and then severing the connection would take too long.

I don't know, this is a weird situation. I just know that the Shadow does go after Ilya at least once, and that's when Archer and Berserker both bite the dust.

Edit: 8000, GET! Seriously though, congrats on 8000 posts in your thread, EJ. 2000 more until another order of magnitude!
 
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