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Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?

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uju32 said:
See how different it looks when you aren't seeing things from the PoV of a telepath?
Judges are not mind readers after all.
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Legal charges would be very unlikely to work, but it seems to me that recruiting Sophia to the wards would be something that would make no sense. Armsmaster may not be a telepath, but he does have a tinkertech lie detector thats basically just as good.

All thats needed is for him to ask Sophia: "Did you shoot a lethal bolt towards Taylor Herbert". It might not be acceptable in court, but it will certainly be acceptable in PRT where tinkertech is better understood/accepted. Would make no sense for Piggot to recruit Sophia after that.
 
I absolutely love scenes like this where Sophia gets her due. Thank you.

She did get away with literally attempted murder from the locker incident, so no tears will be shed if Sophia is charged with the same for her crossbow antics.
 
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VolantRedX said:
Unless they were charging her with a crime they don't have to say anything. You only get read your rights if you are being arrested. If you're called in for questioning you're not told anything.
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True. There's also the case of things like sobriety tests, where they'll ask you to perform it, but won't tell you that you can refuse, or that refusal can't be held against you. It's what they don't say that's important, a lot of the time.
 
chibipoe said:
True. There's also the case of things like sobriety tests, where they'll ask you to perform it, but won't tell you that you can refuse, or that refusal can't be held against you. It's what they don't say that's important, a lot of the time.
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To be fair, in some states you cannot refuse a sobriety test.

And if you try, they drag you in cuffs down to a local hospital and take your blood without your consent and then bill you for the hospitals services.

And still other states, refusal constitutes admission of guilt and an automatic fine for being drunk.

But the law is not uniform across the states.
 
Seclorum said:
To be fair, in some states you cannot refuse a sobriety test.

And if you try, they drag you in cuffs down to a local hospital and take your blood without your consent and then bill you for the hospitals services.

And still other states, refusal constitutes admission of guilt and an automatic fine for being drunk.

But the law is not uniform across the states.
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Yeah, just looking at the Miranda page on Wiki and things it mentioned was enlightening, but they did point out even if you can refuse it, the police won't/don't tell you that.
 
Sylvire said:
That doesn't mean I killed him" then if there is no lawyer or someone neutral near to hear it police can cherry pick "I didn't like the guy" and defence can't do anything about it. All request to get police show the recording of whole sentence is blocked with "Objection, hearsay." which the judge agrees.
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Wait, why is the "hearsay" a legit objection against that particular scenario?
Shouldn't the defence be allowed to require the recording? And how would the recording be more of a 'hearsay' than a out of context statement.
 
chibipoe said:
True. There's also the case of things like sobriety tests, where they'll ask you to perform it, but won't tell you that you can refuse, or that refusal can't be held against you. It's what they don't say that's important, a lot of the time.
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If you say no odds are the cops assume you're guilty, tell you not to leave and get a warrant to make you take it. If you try and leave there are a bunch of minor offenses that they can charge on the spot and use that to haul you to the station.
 
Seclorum said:
To be fair, in some states you cannot refuse a sobriety test.

And if you try, they drag you in cuffs down to a local hospital and take your blood without your consent and then bill you for the hospitals services.

And still other states, refusal constitutes admission of guilt and an automatic fine for being drunk.

But the law is not uniform across the states.
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This is only true if there if evidence to suggest you may be intoxicated, or comitting some other crime. At a police checkpoint, they cannot legally compel you to take a test without evidence that you have committed a crime. This holds for all states, to my knowledge.
 
Where I live, you can say no to a field sobriety test, but if you do, I'm pretty sure your licence is immediately suspended for a period longer than what a DUI would cause, so there's not much point. Plus, even if you refuse the field test, they just need reasonable suspicion that you are impaired, and they can take you in and force you to get a blood test, so refusing is pretty much never a good idea.

On a semi unrelated note, fiction has convinced me to never speak to the police without a lawyer present, no matter the circumstances.

Edit: I was somewhat remembering. It is allowed that you can refuse a field sobriety test, but that will be taken as evidence that you are impaired, and you will be arrested and be given wither a breath of blood test. You can refuse this, but it results in an immediate 1 year suspension of your licence, 6 months longer than that of a first time DUI, and can still be used as evidence in the case against you.
 
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Thing is it's the cop's job to arrest criminals, and prove that they're guilty. They don't want people to have lawyers or to question their athority because that makes it harder to do their jobs. I mean imagine that in your job there was someone that had the job to make sure it was harder to do your work. That's what it's like for cops. To them lawyers are just people who only make their jobs harder.
 
Datakim said:
Legal charges would be very unlikely to work, but it seems to me that recruiting Sophia to the wards would be something that would make no sense. Armsmaster may not be a telepath, but he does have a tinkertech lie detector thats basically just as good.
All thats needed is for him to ask Sophia: "Did you shoot a lethal bolt towards Taylor Herbert". It might not be acceptable in court, but it will certainly be acceptable in PRT where tinkertech is better understood/accepted. Would make no sense for Piggot to recruit Sophia after that.
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Skitter KILLED THREE PEOPLE to the PRT's knowledge when they struck the deal to put her in the Wards, all three of them high ranking PRT/Protectorate personnel.
That's not counting Aster, or her multiple other cases of assault, kidnapping and whatnot.
Will they induct her into the BB Wards? Almost certainly not, for a variety of reasons.
Will she be coerced inducted to the Wards anyway, in another city, under some sort of probation deal? Almost certainly yes.

People tend to forget that one of the PRT's core objectives is keeping the public safe, not justice, and they are perpetually strapped for personnel; if this can be achieved by simply co-opting amenable parahumans, cool.
Even those that have broken the law.
Especially when it is possible that said person is salvageable, like with minors; a Ward Sophia is still a Sophia not working for the Merchants or Coil, for example.

Think of it like how old-time judges used to give criminals they thought were salvageable the option of going into the military instead, for discipline and structure, in the hope that they will reform.
 
chibipoe said:
"Implying that she might become one, or will be offered membership," Taylor said frostily. "This fills me with all sorts of confidence in the Protectorate and the Wards program. If I ever got powers, I think I'd just say no."
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Why this reaction when Sophia hasn't, to Taylor's knowledge, had any incident until today that would, bring her to the PRT's attention?
 
Random832 said:
Why this reaction when Sophia hasn't, to Taylor's knowledge, had any incident until today that would, bring her to the PRT's attention?
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She's basing that statement on her personal knowledge of Sophia and the MM's verbal misstep implying she could be offered a spot on the Wards. She now knows Sophia is a cape and is, in Taylor's opinion, a psycho, so the implication that, even so, she could be a Ward, offends Taylor greatly.
 
uju32 said:
Skitter KILLED THREE PEOPLE to the PRT's knowledge when they struck the deal to put her in the Wards, all three of them high ranking PRT/Protectorate personnel.
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And from Taylor's perspective at the time, Alexandria had just executed 4 people to make her go away.

Calvert was Coil and had a history of Kidnapping, Extortion, and Murder to his name. There was also a high risk of him being able to get off from any charge thrown at him.

Tagg was a mad dog who broke protocol and through his policies, incited open rebellion against the lawful order. [Taylor@Arcadia W/ Dragon and Defiant.] He died because he tried to kill her, while she was in police custody.

Alexandria... well we all know about that fucked up can o' worms.
 
Random832 said:
That was today, wasn't it? She's expecting them to have already had a profile built up of all her past bullying.
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Taylor had already previously spoken to PRT after the incident with the locker when Giant Flaming Bird of Screaming Temporal Doom appeared over Winslow and voiced her issues with them, so she expects they are aware of that, even if at the time, nothing could be proven.

That aside, it isn't a rational feeling she's having. Sophia's crazy in her opinion and that there's an implied possibility of offering her a Wards spot raises her hackles and has her puffing up the way Transformer Owl does to threaten a newcomer. She isn't considering any and all factors that might influence such a decision, or considering it with 100% cold logic because she's a teenage girl who has been tormented by this person and the thought that said person might benefit, in any way, from the situation puts her at loggerheads with those who could, maybe, be giving those benefits. She's not an omniscient entity who sees all the angles and considers them objectively. She's a teenage girl.
 
Seclorum said:
And from Taylor's perspective at the time, Alexandria had just executed 4 people to make her go away.

Calvert was Coil and had a history of Kidnapping, Extortion, and Murder to his name. There was also a high risk of him being able to get off from any charge thrown at him.

Tagg was a mad dog who broke protocol and through his policies, incited open rebellion against the lawful order. [Taylor@Arcadia W/ Dragon and Defiant.] He died because he tried to kill her, while she was in police custody.

Alexandria... well we all know about that fucked up can o' worms.
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Didn't Tagg only try to kill Skitter in retaliation. Do not forget that Skitter's "surrender" was actually blackmail.
 
daimahou said:
While the objectivity is questionable I would tack a yet to the end of this sentence.
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I thought about that, but decided against it. I was simply trying to illustrate that even with precognition, she's not a machine, she's a teenage girl and emotion is going to color how she reacts to things. *shrug* Sometimes, SV/SB assuming uber-competence or objectivity baffles me.
 
I found this earlier today and did a complete read-through. Seems to be going in a new direction from most fanfics that I've read. I really liked Acceleration and feel that part of it is bleeding through here (mostly the "I'm untouchable" vibe that Accelerator had vs the always-on precog/danger sense here).

What did you do by writing a more personable Armsmaster? That's just not right :) No one is supposed to like the Halbeard.

I didn't see the Madison as Browbeat coming at all. Part of it makes me wonder if Browbeat and Shadow Stalker (as independents) did patrols together or knew of each others cape identities.

It seems likely that Catherine and Minako are independent capes. When they were first introduced, I was thinking they were an E88 cape and ABB cape, respectively. With them being friends, that is not likely at all.

All-in-all, it's good and I can't wait for more!
 
thatavidreader said:
Oh, I think it's completely rational to, you know, have a negative response against someone who has now made attempts on her life not just once, but twice, in the course of a few days, and to distrust authority who has refused to respond in full force against such blatant crimes.
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Yeah, and later when she examines her gut feeling she is probably not going to change her mind, but at the very least she might try arguments against Sophia, such as demanding to have charges levied against her or maybe going to the press with her story, after all Sophia isn't a Ward yet and she does not know about the unwriten rules so she got no reason to hold back on that information.
 
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