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I'm sorry did I miss someone holding a gun to her head to keep her out there and in costume?
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Dopplerdee
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..so Danny can abuse his 'power', be fucking dumb as hell, and delude himself but Taylor can't panic ant these actions? Red I've said it before and I'll say it again, you want Danny to have the position of a parent but not the responsibility to make good choices or be the bigger person.
VolantRedX
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How is Danny being dumb? I mean taking the worst look at his actions he signed Taylor up for an official group that does something she is already doing but will provide her with more resources and a greater degree of safety, that happens to be against her will. How is that stupid? Misguided, yes, and not likely endearing to Taylor, but it is the smart choice given the fact that it's the best chance Taylor has to live to be old enough to vote.
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He didn't think it through, he didn't wait to talk about it, he expected it to work which even being shit enough a parent to not know enough of Taylor to know it wouldn't work he should have known enough of himself and Annette to know it wouldn't.
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And a minor can go risk her life trying to do the proper authorities job for little gain in an unsafe manner while lying to their parents about , and then refuse to honeslty talk about ways to continue doing this horribly unsafe with their parents?
Thhey did try to talk about it, Taylor wouldn't talk, then lied, and then ran out for he could even get in the room to talk about it one last time.
VolantRedX
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...What? Danny is very much a "The System Works" kind of guy. If he wasn't he wouldn't have done any of this.
Yes Danny and the Protectorate are using threats to force her to go out in costume (and under their orders). Before he signed the contract she had the option of putting away the costume. She doesn't have that anymore. He never asked her not to go out, and never cared to even ask about her activities or her powers, or why she was so against joining.
Since none of Taylor's arguments got any reaction out of him he apparently doesn't care that the Protectorate covered up an attempted murder with his daughter as the victim, nor that Taylor already has trustworthy backup as an independent who aren't using cohesion on her.
VolantRedX
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Except Wards can always retire. And he did ask why she was against joining. Several times. Each time her only answer was "Because I am, and don't ask why."
Danny isn't even aware this happened. That's why it's called a cover up, and Taylor has never told him about it.
Which doesn't mean anything given the fact that her back up isn't safer than her being on her own. Having three people with no support, no training, and no hope for back up isn't any safer than having one person alone.
Talor' s problem is that she is utterly unable to compromise. She has to do things 100% her way or else. That is what happened with Danny. She wanted to have everything her way and put all her precept toward finding that path instead of doing the smart thing and compromising. And even after she found the proper path she didn't even use it.
Dopplerdee
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....well considering that what you quoted was about Danny Bing the bigger person inspire of Taylor acting like a teen(like parents should) yes.
OK just Annette.
Dopplerdee
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She wanted to compromise(the affiliate ward thing) Danny went over her head.
VolantRedX
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When was Annette against authority? She's not really a character. She's a name and an emotional connection for other characters.
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It's almost as if there is a reason why children under 18 dont get to make their own life choices without someone older and wiser ultimately being responsible for them...
No threats needed. She's going out even without 'orders' and has been doing since betore the PRT became involved. That's part of the crux of just why there is a conflict at all. She's going out without support or protection.
Technically despite her age and powers, it's as if you let a 6 year old run around outside in the dark to fight 'crime' because he found a gun somewhere...
An option she refused to take before he signed the contract, hence the reason why he went and did it anyway, as well as her refusal to stop AFTER she ran away.
Actually he did, for all of that. He asked, she deflected the questions and refused to answer outright.
None of her arguments got through because they were basically like this...
Taylor - I'm fighting crime!
Danny - Why? Why cant you let me help you?
Taylor - NyyyyaaaaHHH!!!! *Slam*
Also he never got the chance to find out about attempted murder nor her backup because she wasn't talking to him either. She was going out and doing things, possibly illegal things, and what recourse does he have?
Do nothing, she gets herself killed, hes failed as a father and would likely suicide.
Do something, she runs away, get's herself killed, and he's failed as a father and would likely suicide.
Hes choosing to TRY something rather than sit back and just do nothing. He at least still has hope. Else he wouldn't have tried anything at all.
One wonders how the hell they got together.
Dopplerdee
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....did you miss the henchwomen thing?
...Danny...wiser....well now I know everything your saying is a joke.
VolantRedX
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You mean one time in college when she joined a political group but left when they started to act in an unlawful manner? Yeah that just screams anarchist.
Dopplerdee
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You know as it looks like none of us are willing to listen to the others lets just drop it.
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So... she is acting like a sterotypical teenager.
I think you mean coercion, not cohension. Though glueing the Wards together could be an interesting team building exercise.
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Danny's personal wisdom notwithstanding, it's a real world thing that get's applied to the fictional world. Children under 18 dont get to make life choices without parental consent or dictation.
I've even worked at a facility where parents would send their children because they were 'troubled' and it was ALWAYS against the children's will.
Children under 18 do not get a say unless the parent gives them a say. And ultimately this means that the parent is responsible for that childs actions. This is because it's 'assumed' that somone OLDER than 18 years of age, knows better.
Tell me. How much has Taylor told him about her activities? What's that? Nothing? Denying his wishes to cool off and go out crime fighting? Why should Danny trust Taylor when she's been constantly hiding from him and disobeying his rules?
Dopplerdee
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Seriously this is getting nowhere just drop it guys....
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Um.
No. I've said it before any argument that relies on the premise they're forcing her to go out or they're forcing her to put on the costume, or they're forcing her to be a child soldier fails because Taylor goes out of her own initiative.
Quite in fact one of the reason Danny wants her in the wards is that she refuses to not go out alone and fight killers and that in the wards she's actually forbidden from doing certain dangerous things and the PRT has to keep her from doing those certain dangerous things on pain of massive massive penalties.
The whole reason there is a conflict is that his ideal state is her not going out. He realizes this will never ever happen and so shifts to she will not go up alone, untrained, and without copious trustworthy back up. I.e. the Wards. Or if Taylor mentioned them and worked to even let Danny know that somethnig can be set up Catherine and Minako' group, or more likely New Wave with New Wave if you're not DOA you're fine health insurance.
Taylor's arguments are non existant in reality. Her arguments in precog time did not get an immediate unilateral surrender to Taylor's will and were thus discarded despite them all getting different if unfoavourable reactions that could grow into dialogue and ultimately comprimise. She tried to win a war in a single fight and gave up when she could utlimately causing her to lose utterly.
And even then she still could have save on the sign paper if she'd told him about the merchant fight and went to the table again.
And Danny doesn't know about sophia cause no one told him and no one put it on the news even when he was asking questions and it would be really relevant to her arguments.
Dad I don't wanna join them cause they implied that they might lets someone who tried to kill me and frame me join! I don't trust them cause of that skeeviness. It's not accountable. How about we talk to my friend and her Mom who's a lawyers about working with them? They're really strong and panacea can heal anything short of death and brain injury.
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So lets change the subject before the mods come like the last time this argument happened. If you want to continue this go read from page 112 and on.
So new subject. What is tattletale's plan? What dose she think Taylor can do to help her?
I am thinking that she getting bad reading because of Jean Gray inference. So the all the data that she stole from the PRT files is wrong. This led to her screwing up pitch to get help. But I could also see Taylor helping her because Lisa fits the same role as Dinah did in canon. This would give Taylor something to work for instead of just living in the firehouse.
I think that Lisa's main plan is to have Talyor use her precog to help get around Coils splitting timelines. It also helps that Taylor has connections to New Wave and a couple of independent heros. So Lisa may be banking on the fact that Coil won't seem them coming without his spies like he would the PRT.
So thoughts?
So new subject. What is tattletale's plan? What dose she think Taylor can do to help her?
I am thinking that she getting bad reading because of Jean Gray inference. So the all the data that she stole from the PRT files is wrong. This led to her screwing up pitch to get help. But I could also see Taylor helping her because Lisa fits the same role as Dinah did in canon. This would give Taylor something to work for instead of just living in the firehouse.
I think that Lisa's main plan is to have Talyor use her precog to help get around Coils splitting timelines. It also helps that Taylor has connections to New Wave and a couple of independent heros. So Lisa may be banking on the fact that Coil won't seem them coming without his spies like he would the PRT.
So thoughts?
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