Yes, and when someone suggests the usual cure to this (an adult telling you what to do and providing structure because you're not the wisest person in the universe in your teens) that person is an incredible asshole apparently.
Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?
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blackshadow111
Happy Helpful Grenade
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- India
Because of course you can't just read and understand the author's wishes. That'd be too mainstream.
Shut it.
It's almost as if the author posted like a minute before me and didn't show up on the whole "click to show more posts" so I posted and went off.
But still, you look pretty cool dude. Where did you get your sheriff's hat on such short notice though? Do you keep it in your briefcase for emergencies?
chibipoe
May I tell you of the glory that is Catradora?
- Location
- Astoria, Oregon
Ok. Cunuroi got a pass because I figured, yes, he could have been typing his post and hadn't refreshed to see mine. That's fine. No attacking him, please. I'm trying to work on 3.6 and having to tab over and moderate is distracting. 
Ok. Cunuroi got a pass because I figured, yes, he could have been typing his post and hadn't refreshed to see mine. That's fine. No attacking him, please. I'm trying to work on 3.6 and having to tab over and moderate is distracting.
Wait..... 3.6?
Does that mean 3.5 is off at the beta already??!!
chibipoe
May I tell you of the glory that is Catradora?
- Location
- Astoria, Oregon
Wait..... 3.6?
Does that mean 3.5 is off at the beta already??!!
Yes. And depending on how fast 3.6 completes, I may just release them together. Plus depends on when last beta responds on 3.5 and when 3.6 is looked over as well.
Don't want to start a Danny debate, but I am a bit curious about what he is up to, so a question for you as the author if thats ok?
What is Danny doing right now? Or more specifically what is he thinking? Does he regret handing Taylor over to wards, or does he still believe that he did the right thing? Hows he doing with Taylor gone from the house?
Think we might get a Danny interlude at some point where we get to see his POV about Taylor leaving and so on?
This discussion is dead, it's been done back and forth and no one's budging on it. And the author has told people to stop. So can everyone just stop shitting up the thread with it before people start filing reports and filling up their ignore lists?
There's always the Morality Thread.
Edit:Blarg no thread updated notifications. Ignore this. Fucking mobile.
There's always the Morality Thread.
Edit:Blarg no thread updated notifications. Ignore this. Fucking mobile.
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and I was trying to point out that for this discussion it doesn't matter how strong she is. If X is strongly opposed to being in the Wards having to force X to be in the wards will:
1)Pose a security risk
2)Damage the Wards reputation
3)Force the PRT to spend resources to attempt to mitigate the damage.
4)Damage the PRT's reputation
5)Not actually provide any benefit to the PRT/Protectorate.
- Location
- Canada
chibipoe
May I tell you of the glory that is Catradora?
- Location
- Astoria, Oregon
Mention of Danny will come in 3.5, so I'll leave for that. As to a Danny interlude. I don't know. It isn't something that really interests me, but I won't rule it out.
The only concrete parts of the plan is probably get a lookout, get muscle, get an oracle and subconsciously, hopefully get a friend/companion.
Lookout: Lisa needs to know when Coil messes with her in an alternative timeline so that she can plan around what he's beaten out of her, discovered while listening to her slurred babble after sticking her with that hypodermic needle or deduced by looking through the browsing history and documents on her computer after his mercenaries stormed into her flat, put a gun to her face and took her computer. Meeting with Taylor on a regular basis and providing Taylor with a burner phone means that Taylor knows when something happens in an alternative timeline allowing her to tell Lisa and investigate.
Muscle: Lisa knows Taylor is powerful. She also understands that she isn't.
Oracle: The ability to run an idea past a precog and find out whether something you don't know about interferes is priceless.
Friend/companion: Humans are social creatures and Lisa is very alone now, with nobody she can trust or try and relax with.
As to her screwing up the pitch, I think Lisa got off to a bad start but would likely have recovered if not for the interruption by the Empire.
Although now that I'm thinking about it, how would Lisa recover the opportunity?
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Jessie straitened her shoulders, preparing to turn around. She didn't want to do this. The kid meant well, she tried and... There was something off about the explanation Armsmaster and Piggot gave her and Ethan about the kid. But orders where orders. And the kid had been about to go too far. "Siren, due..." was as far as she got.
"Hi! Siren, isn't it. That was awesome!" Some blonde cape geek interrupted her, seemingly coming out of nowhere, holding a phone in her hand and making cow eyes at Taylor. Internally she cursed. With her current luck the airhead was probably recording this.
"And Assault and Battery too. You got here quick. Where you trying to catch Hookwolf? Or where you after somebody else in the area? Some other villain?" the airhead continued.
Her husband came to her rescue, telling the twit that they needed to debrief Siren and that unfortunately she couldn't be there for it, offering her their signatures and trying to lead her away. But by the way Taylor held herself it was already too late.
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I think that forcing Taylor into the Wards do offer one important benefit. It props up the illusion that the PRT can manage or control parahumans. Because if the illusion fails then other government departments will most likely start pushing for a piece of the parahuman pie and/or a piece of the PRTs funding.
Blackhole1
(Verified Spatial Anomaly)
Until Taylor breaks lose or just, you know, jumps out of the nearest window and flies away. The PRT is smart enough to know that an uncooperative, determined, and powerful parahuman is almost impossible to contain without resorting to extreme measures.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
While I don't expect this to be where Chibipoe is going, it is an interesting idea, and one I could see Lisa going with.
Well, in this story, up to now at least, I'm under the impression that they assume that they can control / contain her. (I won't speculate how, as I'm a bit of a pessimist when it comes to humans.) Chapter 3.2 shows Piggot's thoughts on this which I understand as her not having brought Taylor in forcibly because Taylor hadn't provided an excuse at that point in time, and doing so without such a thing would damage the Brockton Bay Wards program.
Yep, Chibipoe is good at this. Very. Me, I'm less than competent. (Be glad I didn't post what I originally tried.) But I realized when answering Argent's post that Lisa needs Taylor. So if possible she will have to get into contact with her again and she will have to get Taylor to see her in a positive light.
I could see Lisa doing this. I mean she kinda screwed up by calling the whole thing a cops&robbers game, and Taylors reaction made that screwup utterly obvious. Since Lisa needs Taylors help desperately, she would presumably be looking for any opportunity to make up for that screwup. Pretending to be a bystander and asking things like why there were no guards on the prison transport and generally helping Taylor escape would probably make sense. Or perhaps doing something else like that.
Wolfman217
Oh No! Oh No! Oh No!
- Location
- England
I was just re-reading the last chapter again......and something occurred to me. We know that Cricket and Hookwolf have a significant kill count to their name. Fenja and Menja most likely have a significant kill count to their name along with the rest of E88, probably the Merchant's and ABB as well, so why ,precisely, have they not been given the Death Penalty.
After all, BB is in New Hampshire and oh look, the Death Penalty is a thing there for capital murder.
Capital Murder is defined as:
So according to New Hampshire Law, Most of the Parahumans of ABB, E88, and merchants should have SEVERAL Death Penalty's. And also according to Law, when a criminal of that magnitude resists arrest/escapes, it is perfectly legal for a member of Law enforcement to use lethal force. Further as Taylor is LEGALLY a WARD, a Government Law enforcement agent (Wards must be otherwise they wouldn't be able to arrest anyone etc) (despite her not wanting to be and resisting it, as many people have said many many MANY times she is still at this moment legally a Ward, hence part of the reason they are after her so bad) it is LEGAL for her to use anything up to and INCLUDING lethal force when dealing with convicted capital murders such as Cricket and Hookwolf if they are resisting arrest (which they are). (trial in absentia, the moment parahumans like that are arrested they are convicted guilty, they must be as a trial is legally required for them to be sent to prison in the first place).
The US gov't, and therefor PRT/Protectorate as they are a government agency, are bound up in their own red tape. Taylor has the legal authority to slaughter them all. Other's Heroes simply don't exercise that right because they don't want to for a variety of reasons. So the PRT has no legal right to come down hard on Taylor for using potential lethal force on convicted mass murderers.
Unless of course parahumans are not subject to the death penalty, or the same laws at all. In which case it would be anarchy, every normal human would be up in riot (if parahumans are only subject to a kill order, which is very rare and reserved for S-Class threat or S9 level killers, so much much much more stringent requirement to be authorized then Capital Punishment) it means that if a normal human was to go out and commit mass murder, they'd be given the Death Penalty, whereas if a Parahuman did the same exact thing they'd only be sentenced to prison, which of course they'd escape easily from in transit or there if it's not the birdcage. Now I don't know about you but if that was how it actually was, that if normal humans were treated stricter in the eyes of the law on the most serious of punishments, DEATH, then I'd be fucking livid.
In short I'm saying two things:
1) Why the fuck are parahuman mass murderers such as Hookwolf and Cricket not being hunted for death.
2) Taylor can do whatever the fuck she wants to parahumans that are known mass murder's/rapist-murderers/kidnapper-murderers/killer's-for-hire ( which is likely to be at least all of the 'big' villains in BB) as she is LEGALLY a Ward and therefor is technically a LEO.
P.S. I'm not discussing anything to do with Piggot's/PRT's etc competence/rights, Taylor's Ward situation etc etc. That argument is done. This is purely how much force she can use legally and Death Sentence/Kill order, and how it legally should apply to a fuck load more capes then it does.
After all, BB is in New Hampshire and oh look, the Death Penalty is a thing there for capital murder.
Capital Murder is defined as:
So according to New Hampshire Law, Most of the Parahumans of ABB, E88, and merchants should have SEVERAL Death Penalty's. And also according to Law, when a criminal of that magnitude resists arrest/escapes, it is perfectly legal for a member of Law enforcement to use lethal force. Further as Taylor is LEGALLY a WARD, a Government Law enforcement agent (Wards must be otherwise they wouldn't be able to arrest anyone etc) (despite her not wanting to be and resisting it, as many people have said many many MANY times she is still at this moment legally a Ward, hence part of the reason they are after her so bad) it is LEGAL for her to use anything up to and INCLUDING lethal force when dealing with convicted capital murders such as Cricket and Hookwolf if they are resisting arrest (which they are). (trial in absentia, the moment parahumans like that are arrested they are convicted guilty, they must be as a trial is legally required for them to be sent to prison in the first place).
The US gov't, and therefor PRT/Protectorate as they are a government agency, are bound up in their own red tape. Taylor has the legal authority to slaughter them all. Other's Heroes simply don't exercise that right because they don't want to for a variety of reasons. So the PRT has no legal right to come down hard on Taylor for using potential lethal force on convicted mass murderers.
Unless of course parahumans are not subject to the death penalty, or the same laws at all. In which case it would be anarchy, every normal human would be up in riot (if parahumans are only subject to a kill order, which is very rare and reserved for S-Class threat or S9 level killers, so much much much more stringent requirement to be authorized then Capital Punishment) it means that if a normal human was to go out and commit mass murder, they'd be given the Death Penalty, whereas if a Parahuman did the same exact thing they'd only be sentenced to prison, which of course they'd escape easily from in transit or there if it's not the birdcage. Now I don't know about you but if that was how it actually was, that if normal humans were treated stricter in the eyes of the law on the most serious of punishments, DEATH, then I'd be fucking livid.
In short I'm saying two things:
1) Why the fuck are parahuman mass murderers such as Hookwolf and Cricket not being hunted for death.
2) Taylor can do whatever the fuck she wants to parahumans that are known mass murder's/rapist-murderers/kidnapper-murderers/killer's-for-hire ( which is likely to be at least all of the 'big' villains in BB) as she is LEGALLY a Ward and therefor is technically a LEO.
P.S. I'm not discussing anything to do with Piggot's/PRT's etc competence/rights, Taylor's Ward situation etc etc. That argument is done. This is purely how much force she can use legally and Death Sentence/Kill order, and how it legally should apply to a fuck load more capes then it does.
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- Over the hill and far away
Are... are you really starting more arguments on the same page as the author saying "don't do that thing, that very thing that you are doing"?
I'm going to go headdesk and then wait patiently for 3.5
I'm going to go headdesk and then wait patiently for 3.5
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
Different argument dude.
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Also, that as back on page 175, and not 176 on which we are on right now.
So it's not the same page either.
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- Over the hill and far away
ah, my bad then! Carry on.
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
ah, my bad then! Carry on.
-shrugs-
I'm not. It's to hot where I live to argue right now.
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But I blame Cauldron for capes not getting the death penalty.
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- Over the hill and far away
At least you could tell what was going on; clearly I just mailed my brain out of state.
I should reread this story. It's worth it, and I have a lot of work time that I don't use productively...