I love whenever Nazis come up, because people's responses are always a great demonstration of the phenomena of Nazi-ism:
"Whatever we do to X, they deserve it! They're subhuman scum who are trying to destroy society, and since we're good people we can feel happy to see them suffer."
Look, can all the people lusting for a Taylor vs. Everyone fight please take it over to a fic that's actually about that and stop trying to bend this one backwards to satisfy your fantasy?
If that is the case then that would be going against her rights wouldn't it? Right.... Picture this way, if you will. You have just defended yourself against the walking lawnmower and someone who had tried to kill you previously and are going into that office thinking that you did a good thing. You just saved them the stress of explaining why these criminals were about to be freed... Again.
So you go in and then Ms. Piggot or whatever is no trying to blackmail you because you broke one of the criminals leg's and left the rest of them bloody and bruised. l would image that wouldn't go well for her at all, since if that's the case then Cricket could also be charged with attempted murder with a weapon. If Ms. Piggot continued with that avenue, then all Taylor would have to do is make a post online about how Wards are considered less valuable then the people that they are fitting. Which would then make a shit storm the size of Texas. So yeah that would go very badly.
The above stated reason is also probably why there are so few wards in the first place. Think about it, most people actually do read the contract that you are about to sign and consider what those words could possibly mean if it involves their children. So image that you are looking through that contract and you find the clause that says that essentially they are allowed to punish your child for protecting themselves, would you sign them up for it.
So you go in and then Ms. Piggot or whatever is no trying to blackmail you because you broke one of the criminals leg's and left the rest of them bloody and bruised.
To the public, said criminal "only" headbutted her and spat on her. The resulting frenzy where Sirin does her level best to turn that criminal into salsa is excessive use of force and is not acceptable, no matter who it is.
To the public, said criminal "only" headbutted her and spat on her. The resulting frenzy where Sirin does her level best to turn that criminal into salsa is excessive use of force and is not acceptable, no matter who it is.
I concede and see your point. Thank you for reminding me of that point. I forgotten that and how she won't have been mentioned in the previous report of how said criminal had attempted to kill a civilian outright in the public eye with her custom weapon.
Well onto other things, is anyone else wondering why the prisoner transport didn't have any heroes guarding it. You would of thought that this would of been done by now right? I mean didn't the heroes have to guard the prisoner transport for Lung when he was being sent to the Bird Cage or something.
To the public, said criminal "only" headbutted her and spat on her. The resulting frenzy where Sirin does her level best to turn that criminal into salsa is excessive use of force and is not acceptable, no matter who it is.
I love whenever Nazis come up, because people's responses are always a great demonstration of the phenomena of Nazi-ism:
"Whatever we do to X, they deserve it! They're subhuman scum who are trying to destroy society, and since we're good people we can feel happy to see them suffer."
Eh there are limits. And in a real life situation involving police and criminals I would be very much with you.
But uh... we kind of know for damn sure that everyone Taylor was fighting is at the very least a multiple murderer and complicit in mass murder, rape, paedophilia (the members who tried to attack Imp, can't imagine that's an isolated incident), arson, attempted genocide and support all this openly wearing the colours of a group literally trying to violently over throw the government. Like I get the reasons for Cauldron and the PRT's actions from a pragmatic standpoint, but I can't really fault anyone for murdering a well known cape member of the E88.
Look, can all the people lusting for a Taylor vs. Everyone fight please take it over to a fic that's actually about that and stop trying to bend this one backwards to satisfy your fantasy?
Considering this fic has a very strong vein of Taylor being pushed in on various sides and making rash but understandable decisions that bite her in the ass.... Taylor vs everybody (or every faction, I figure she'll have some people working to help her to some degree regardless) at least temporarily doesn't seem impossible.
I concede and see your point. Thank you for reminding me of that point. I forgotten that and how she won't have been mentioned in the previous report of how said criminal had attempted to kill a civilian outright in the public eye with her custom weapon.
Well onto other things, is anyone else wondering why the prisoner transport didn't have any heroes guarding it. You would of thought that this would of been done by now right? I mean didn't the heroes have to guard the prisoner transport for Lung when he was being sent to the Bird Cage or something.
Cauldron had decided that Lung and the ABB were useless by that point and just causing too much chaos to be worth it. E88 I believe has a pretty good record for Endbringer fights.
Public perception's what's being talked about here. Taylor's action from her standpoint are perfectly understandable. The general public perception in the Bay might see it very differently. Especially as a large chunk of the Bay's affluent and influential are probably at least a bit sympathetic to E88....
"Why the hell do I even bother with a mask?" I snarled, slamming the blanket down onto the couch. "I should just use my real name. That would be more of a secret identity than what I have right now!"
Considering this fic has a very strong vein of Taylor being pushed in on various sides and making rash but understandable decisions that bite her in the ass.... Taylor vs everybody (or every faction, I figure she'll have some people working to help her to some degree regardless) at least temporarily doesn't seem impossible.
If and when it happens, it will not be fun -- it will be a bad thing. I expect the consequences of it to be played out seriously, rather than the giddy curb-stomp some of you guys seem to be looking for.
Public perception's what's being talked about here. Taylor's action from her standpoint are perfectly understandable. The general public perception in the Bay might see it very differently. Especially as a large chunk of the Bay's affluent and influential are probably at least a bit sympathetic to E88....
And if the "public" sees the inexperience* as a way to push her into the Wards....
*She put down 3 known murderers (or accessories of it), and brutalized the other, and it could have been avoided if we have been doing our jobs but shucks let's not talk about what we should've done.
Why didn't the vans have guards? In my opinion they could have had mutiple vans out and about, some with guards, some without to make it harder to get the transport without making it too obvious which one was the right one. Unfortunally it looks like someone spilled the beans, probably Coil in some backhanded way, there was a Taylor Interrupt and then the fight whent down. This is just a wild guess as we don't have more info at the moment anyway.
If and when it happens, it will not be fun -- it will be a bad thing. I expect the consequences of it to be played out seriously, rather than the giddy curb-stomp some of you guys seem to be looking for.
Ah, in that case I agree with you. If by a bad thing you mean a bad thing for Taylor and Brockton Bay in general.
I just think it will be a good thing for the audience. I'm not seeing a curb stomp, I'm seeing a clusterfuck and that wearing on Taylor heavily and causing a lot of problems. Which is the kind of thing Chibipoe is really good at writing, so I'm looking forward to it.
Personally I want to see the clausterfuck happen so we can move past being teased about it and move on to seeing the consequences that follow. And the character growth that it causes.
*She put down 3 known murderers (or accessories of it), and butalized the other, and it could have been avoided if we have been doing our jobs but shucks let's not talk about what we should've done.
Point of order it likely couldn't have. Hookwolf is up there with Lung in terms of killing power. He'd be able to rip anyone who stood against him to pieces without slowing down.
But uh... we kind of know for damn sure that everyone Taylor was fighting is at the very least a multiple murderer and complicit in mass murder, rape, paedophilia (the members who tried to attack Imp, can't imagine that's an isolated incident), arson, attempted genocide and support all this openly wearing the colours of a group literally trying to violently over throw the government. Like I get the reasons for Cauldron and the PRT's actions from a pragmatic standpoint, but I can't really fault anyone for murdering a well known cape member of the E88.
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Cauldron had decided that Lung and the ABB were useless by that point and just causing too much chaos to be worth it. E88 I believe has a pretty good record for Endbringer fights.
Evidence? Not everything that happens is because of Cauldron you know? Especially when they go out of their way to avoid interacting with BB so they don't screw up the Coil experiment.
Look, can all the people lusting for a Taylor vs. Everyone fight please take it over to a fic that's actually about that and stop trying to bend this one backwards to satisfy your fantasy?
How is it bending backwards?!?!? Lets look at the facts:
This is a Taylor who is the host to the PHOENIX FORCE, an extremely destructive entity
This is a Taylor who is extremely distrustful and hostile to authority (PRT and Proctoctorate)
This is a Taylor who is extremely hostile to the ABB and E88 (the main Villains in BB)
This is a Taylor who feels hemmed in on all sides by everybody bar Victoria, and her two friends (can't remember their names)
This is a Taylor who is mentally, emotionally, and physically unstable (her powers can be unpredictable and are in fact directly effecting her mental state)
This is a Taylor who has the power to back it all up
I'd say at least one all out fight between Taylor and a good chunk of BB is almost inevitable at this point unless something drastically changes. All it would take is someone doing something particularly stupid accidentally, or on purpose (Coil *cough cough*), to make Taylor blow up, shes already been close several times.
For example, Coil releasing her identity and/or kidnapping her/Danny would cause her to go on the Warpath, especially if he frames the PRT/Protectorate.
or, The PRT getting Danny in again and him publicly asking Taylor to submit herself to the PRT.
or, Lisa messing her around like she did in the mall before E88 showed up and Coil/E88 taking advantage.
or, The PRT attempting to apprehend her (that could happen next in fact, with the whole "she took it too far this time", not that I think she did) and naturally her resisting.
Any of these could happen and because of the destructive nature of her powers (especially if her pre-cog gets out; ridiculously powerful pre-cog and telekinetic, who does THAT remind everyone of) it would escalate and snowball into E88, Protectorate, maybe ABB, all fighting her because I honestly think if she goes all out none of them individually will be able to beat her, and they'll figure that out quite quickly.
I'm not saying she'll disintegrate them all or the like because that would cause an escalation that would end the fic' with EVERYONE attacking her (Legend, Alexandria, Eidolon etc) which could possibly end with the annihilation of the earth. But more along the lines of so much collateral from the initial fight that the rest of the protectorate show up , then the Villains to take advantage etc before Taylor would eventually de-escalate by giving up or running away etc. Things calm down but Taylor gets put on the map nationally/internationally making her quite Wanted.
We're not looking for the "giddy curb-stomp", we're just excited as the readers for a good fight, we know it will be serious and stuff.
Personally I want to see the clausterfuck happen so we can move past being teased about it and move on to seeing the consequences that follow. And the character growth that it causes.
Honestly, I was getting tired of all the shit that just kept on being piled on Taylor every single update basically. It's not that it was bad or anything.
The chapters were entertaining.
It's just there as only sooo much that could be done about it before it starts getting tiring.
It was like, Taylor didn't have enough time to really wind down and spend time with her friends. Hell the last time she did she almost got killed by a nazi and now she is going to get in trouble for beating that nazi up and making so she couldn't escape jail because the PRT's incompetence at actually keeping villains off the streets when they are brought in.
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Sorry, chibipoe I'm ranting.
But as I said, I was starting to get irritated honestly.
That happens when I am rather invested in a character and that character just keeps having bad things happen to them with good things spread far and in-between.
Why didn't the vans have guards? In my opinion they could have had mutiple vans out and about, some with guards, some without to make it harder to get the transport without making it too obvious which one was the right one. Unfortunally it looks like someone spilled the beans, probably Coil in some backhanded way, there was a Taylor Interrupt and then the fight whent down. This is just a wild guess as we don't have more info at the moment anyway.
Point of order it likely couldn't have. Hookwolf is up there with Lung in terms of killing power. He'd be able to rip anyone who stood against him to pieces without slowing down.
By "avoided if we have been doing our jobs" I mainly mean the Protectorate and since the PRT has a certain foam they could have rigged that to fill the insides of the transport, why isn't that the SOP?
2. Taylor's trial will be made public and Coil starts pulling some strings behind the scenes in order to make his "pet" have only the option to join him, or he uses the massive PR scandle in his advantage and leaks exactly how the PRT has been fucking with Taylor's life. And then profits.
No one is going to get labeled a super villain for stopping supervillains. The scenario I'm anticipating is something like:
1)The Protectorate is instructed to bring Taylor in for questioning to determine if charges should be filed.
2)Taylor refuses to cooperate
3)The protectorate attempts to use force to make her cooperate (this might be only after an arrest warrant is issued, but given Piggot's description of the PRT's responsibilities to the Wards I doubt that is required).
4)Taylor beats up whoever tried to force her to cooperate (most likely with a lot of collateral damage).
5)Taylor is branded a supervillain for her fight with the protectorate officers trying to bring her in.
Personally I think that we have all forgotten something. Cricket was coming at her with what appeared to Taylor at least the intent to kill. That throws everything out the window, allowing everything she did to be considered legal at least in the eyes of the jury.
Which justifies Taylor doing pretty much anything she needed to incapacitate Cricket. It does not justify Taylor continuing to beat up Cricket long after she was unable to fight.
True, no blackmail since the last thing they want is to have to go to court with the entire mess. Unfortunately I expect Taylor to force them to do so.
No one is going to get labeled a super villain for stopping supervillains. The scenario I'm anticipating is something like:
1)The Protectorate is instructed to bring Taylor in for questioning to determine if charges should be filed.
2)Taylor refuses to cooperate
3)The protectorate attempts to use force to make her cooperate (this might be only after an arrest warrant is issued, but given Piggot's description of the PRT's responsibilities to the Wards I doubt that is required).
4)Taylor beats up whoever tried to force her to cooperate (most likely with a lot of collateral damage). 5)Taylor is branded a supervillain for her fight with the protectorate officers trying to bring her in.
