Fire Emblem: Last of the Manakete
- Thread starter SoaringHawk218
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I'm surprised anyone is backing Bernard's idea. The whole reason this Talon situation is a thing is because we walked into an Imperial satellite (willing or otherwise), and now people want to do it again?
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The best ideas are always unique, and it's usually worth giving unique ideas a bit of thought to see whether they're best or not.
Now, you'll note I didn't actually vote for it.
I don't think they're forgetting, I think they're just drawing a different conclusion. Less "Sypha should agree to be a temporary hostage," more "we need to prevent that was by any means possible".
I'm getting the vibe that Bernard, Imperial or no, would oppose efforts by the Empire to recapture his cousin. It's probably safe to assume Baron Rickman would side with his...sister-in-law, maybe? How are Bernard and Sypha related, again?...with Mantrae over the Talons.
Now, extending Bernard's trustworthiness to not just his father, but his father's vassal, is much more tenuous.
[X] The way you want to save Lady Sypha is a mystery, so you want to talk to her privately and see if she agrees.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
TaliesinSkye
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[X] The way you want to save Lady Sypha is a mystery, so you want to talk to her privately and see if she agrees.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
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[X] Suggest a new plan: your home is not that far from here. This is a long shot, even you admit it, but hopefully once you're at your home you can use the fact that it's yours to convince people to sit down and talk like good guests. Besides, there's no way the Talons will see this move coming! (Pros: You get to go home. Good chance to completely avoid contact with the Talons since you're not going any way they'd look. Cons: Kicking the problem of where Sypha goes down the path. Will have to assert your authority. Home is… kind of a mess right now, not really fit for guests…)
Well, I don't know if this is the best plan but I want to go back to Ryza's home at some point. Who knows what we might find out when we do. We left in a rush last time.
Well, I don't know if this is the best plan but I want to go back to Ryza's home at some point. Who knows what we might find out when we do. We left in a rush last time.
I quite like this idea. Always nice to o avoid a fight when possible.
[X] The way you want to save Lady Sypha is a mystery, so you want to talk to her privately and see if she agrees.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
And, if that doesn't work...
[X] Back Robin up on his claim: you know you can outfly that wyvern any day of the week. Sypha will get to safety, you swear it!
We came here to do a neccessary job, now is not the time to lose our nerve. The possibility of a fight with Mantrae's men is the obvious outcome for several of the decisions we've made. Really can't buy that arrogant little punk Bernard's suggestion--it's just a half a dozen ways for things to go horribly wrong as far as I can tell, and almost no chance for them to go right.
[X] The way you want to save Lady Sypha is a mystery, so you want to talk to her privately and see if she agrees.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
And, if that doesn't work...
[X] Back Robin up on his claim: you know you can outfly that wyvern any day of the week. Sypha will get to safety, you swear it!
We came here to do a neccessary job, now is not the time to lose our nerve. The possibility of a fight with Mantrae's men is the obvious outcome for several of the decisions we've made. Really can't buy that arrogant little punk Bernard's suggestion--it's just a half a dozen ways for things to go horribly wrong as far as I can tell, and almost no chance for them to go right.
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[X] The way you want to save Lady Sypha is a mystery, so you want to talk to her privately and see if she agrees.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
[X] Back Bernard's idea of going to get more help. He didn't rat you out and cause a fight, and he did talk about compromising. Perhaps if you show that you trust him, he'll trust you enough to convince Sypha to go with you to Agrithe. (Pros: Gives people time to calm down from their heightened emotions. Will probably get an ally to help you get Sypha to safety. Will probably minimize conflict with the Talons. Cons: The last time you went to a strange noble for help, things didn't go so well. You and Robin will be even more outnumbered if things go wrong.)
I really don't like the write in. It's functionally identical to the open Robin plan, but worse because it tries to cut Sir Ector and everyone else out. I'm absolutely certain he won't much care for it. Trying to push everything on Sypha when she's still not in great shape also isn't something I much care for.
I really don't like the write in. It's functionally identical to the open Robin plan, but worse because it tries to cut Sir Ector and everyone else out. I'm absolutely certain he won't much care for it. Trying to push everything on Sypha when she's still not in great shape also isn't something I much care for.
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[X] The way you want to save Lady Sypha is a mystery, so you want to talk to her privately and see if she agrees.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
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For the record, I think it's appealing to a lot of people because not talking about it with Sypha feels like deciding her fate for her, especially if we're planning to maim her family's men-at-arms over it. That isn't something many people care much for.
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[x] Back Robin up on his claim: you know you can outfly that wyvern any day of the week. Sypha will get to safety, you swear it! (Pros: Will succeed at your mission from Archduke. Will prevent the wyvern from catching up to you. Cons: Very possibly will cause an immediate fight between yourself and Mantrae's men. Leaves the Legerians to deal with the Talons.)
- [x] Be open about where you would be flying and try to get Sypha to help you calm everyone down. This is the best way to prevent a war.
- [x] Be open about where you would be flying and try to get Sypha to help you calm everyone down. This is the best way to prevent a war.
Miho Chan
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[X] The way you want to save Lady Sypha is a mystery, so you want to talk to her privately and see if she agrees.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
Look, a lot of people seem to be forgetting this is a Fire Emblem Quest. This is literally just pure Fire Emblem in a vote right here. Additionally, people seem to be utterly convinced that Sypha is a useless little girl. She's a noble child, I assure you she's very unlikely to be useless in any degree. In fact, given what we know of her, her training would likely demand she attempt to prevent a war that her mother almost caused by being... well, not great at communication. We don't know everything about that situation, but the betrayal of a close ally over the theft of a child is... not a great look for someone that's a leader.
-[X] Bernard can also join if he insists.
-[X] Explain to her the whole situation and the reasons why you do what you do. How this is all probably a conspiracy by the Empire and that you want to prevent an internecine war between her mother and the Archduke - a war that will only bring everyone pain.
-[X] Promise that you will make sure that she will be fine and will not be treated unfairly. Besides, you don't believe that Artemis and her family would do something like that.
-[X] Ask her to choose if she wants to come with us to Agrithe.
-[X] Bernard can probably go with you too? The rest will probably be fine on their own.
-[X] If she refuses, choose another option.
Look, a lot of people seem to be forgetting this is a Fire Emblem Quest. This is literally just pure Fire Emblem in a vote right here. Additionally, people seem to be utterly convinced that Sypha is a useless little girl. She's a noble child, I assure you she's very unlikely to be useless in any degree. In fact, given what we know of her, her training would likely demand she attempt to prevent a war that her mother almost caused by being... well, not great at communication. We don't know everything about that situation, but the betrayal of a close ally over the theft of a child is... not a great look for someone that's a leader.
Stasis
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[X] Back Robin up on his claim: you know you can outfly that wyvern any day of the week. Sypha will get to safety, you swear it! (Pros: Will succeed at your mission from Archduke. Will prevent the wyvern from catching up to you. Cons: Very possibly will cause an immediate fight between yourself and Mantrae's men. Leaves the Legerians to deal with the Talons.)
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Sypha would still have a say and participate in the normal conversation. The only thing this write-in achieves is cutting everyone else out of the conversation, and that's if it works at all.
Sypha isn't the only person who should get a say in what the parties plan is. Sypha isn't even in the best of shape right now, so trying to pressure her into going with us could backfire.
Miho Chan
One with too many ideas
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Why would Ryza be doing *any* pressuring here. She's laying down the facts and telling someone who is educated enough to know exactly what she's saying and not saying. Additionally, Empire simp noble man is… not someone I really trust atm.
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You can't un-tell a secret, all I'll say.
The whole 'come with us to Agrithe or it could mean war' thing is going to pressure her into coming with us. It's honest, but it's definitely us trying to pressure her into siding with us over her cousin and her mother's men.
The plan would also have us leaving everyone we can't carry behind, so it very much is something that I think the rest of the party should get a say in.
Eternal_0bserver
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The problem is that even if we tell our intention right away and not be attacked on the spot, the Countess's soldiers are not subordinate to Sypha, but to her mother. They are not obliged to do her will, even if we convince her of the correctness of our cause. Again, even if we convince others, honour can still require them to get in our way.
I don't really like not giving her more time to think either, but then again, we don't have much time. Also, it doesn't look like any new information will come up that will change her point of view on the question.
If she comes with us voluntarily, that's her choice. Her consent will surely resolve the impending conflict between the Countess and the Archduke in the most painless way, especially if Sypha makes it their goal. If she refuses, then so be it.
As for the rest of the party, as I said, it will be much easier for them to hide on their own when they are not burdened with taking care of the two noble children who are the targets.
Why do you think cutting the Countess's soldiers out of the conversation would help the situation. We have to convince them too if we want to do this peacefully. This isn't just Sypha's decision to make.
The write in is just a worse version of the honest version of Robins plan, because it relies on Sypha sinding with us over her cousin and her mother's men, Sir Ector's group just rolling over and accepting Syphas decision, and Sypha being okay with leaving people behind which we know she doesn't like. Bernard isn't going to like this either, and Sypha definitely isn't going to be willing to leave him behind so we'll have to convince him to side with us too.
Bernard definitely isn't going to be happy if we open the conversation with some vague warning about an imperial conspiracy. He'll take it as an attack on the character of his father's vassal. Which is something he will take personally since he's the one who proposed going.
I really think this plan just has Ryza shooting herself in the foot. Trying to be sneaky and cut the rest of the party out of the planning isn't going to go well for us, especially since we have to convince Bernard too and he isn't going to like a trick like this.
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I will slightly push back on this characterization: Bernard is Sypha's cousin, and he clearly takes family loyalty very seriously.
Loving the discussion, I will say that I am seeing a lot of good points.
Miho Chan
One with too many ideas
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To be clear, I'm not making this his whole character; but he clearly believes that this area of the world is... not beneath him, but falsely believes that the Empire is a boogieman. A characterization that looks to be very true from what we've seen. He's also seen as dismissive so far of Agrithe's position, and that doesn't show someone who's widely educated. It shows someone who buys the propaganda and hype of the Empire.
I should have clarified that we should not trust his information because it is likely unreliable to some extent. His bias is very much showing. Pretty blatantly as well.
Oh, misunderstood what you meant. Yeah, that's a fair characterization.
Miho Chan
One with too many ideas
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To be clear, this is not so much pressure we're putting on her as the reality of her mother's actions. If Sylphia feels compelled to come with us because of this, it just shows that she's A: A good person who wants to prevent a war her mother could have very easily caused B: Understands her nation's position well, C: It will also allow us to gauge the reactions of all other parties involved. You have to remember that Artemis and Agrithe are the parties who were wronged here.
As for "Everyone else has a say" this is categorically not true in the era this specific event is taking place in. Bernard has already said this. In the end, it's very much Lady Sylphia's say on what happens from here. SHE is the noble. SHE is in charge.
I apologize if I gave that perception, but Ryza would know that is not 100% true. It is true that Sypha has some authority over her mother's soldiers, but it's based entirely in her mother's. If Sypha gives an order that specifically contradicts one her mother gave, it will be discarded, and if Sir Ector truly believes that she's making a horrible mistake, he could disobey and take it up with Countess Mantrae later. She is only about eleven right now, after all, whereas Artemis was seventeen and already a tested fighter.
This is not to say they won't take Sypha's wishes into account, but it's not a guarantee that just because Sypha tells them to let her go that they will.
Bernard was mostly saying that she should show more confidence. Again, sorry if I gave the impression that she had more power than she truly did.
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