What would readers prefer?

  • Pure narrative quest: no dice will be used, the author will have free reign to decide what happens.

    Votes: 25 59.5%
  • New dice system: the author will design a new, better dice system to add some randomness and risk.

    Votes: 17 40.5%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.
[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Sir Ector along. He's clearly making a big sacrifice, letting Sypha go anywhere other than Legerius. Memoires of Phoebe's desperate wish to do something to help makes you willing to put up with his lance to make things go more smoothly.

[] You did everything you could, but the conditions are too much.
-[] You pray you can end this with minimal blood... Your heart is filled with Determination
-[] Back down; you don't want anyone to get hurt. Hopefully Archduke Letoro won't be too upset…
I'm confused on this bit. Is this what we vote for if we dont accept the two conditions?
 
Picking Claire because Ector needs to stay with the rest in case the Wyvern catches up and, even if he swears he came willingly, I feel like taking Bernard would cause more complications down the road.
I'm fairly sure swearing on the Emblem itself is basically the most significant Oath a noble can make in the Empire, but I cannot back that up within the story. Also, I think it's worth trying to convert Bernard to our side before a war inevitably erupts between the Kingdoms and the Empire... Wait a minute... Hawk, are you using FE3H as inspiration as well, you sneaky...

Oh god now I'm seeing the other likely inspirations as well and I'm vibrating in utter excitement.
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear in the Mother's name. This is a meaningful oath, but you're not the most devout of manakete. They might realize that this isn't quite as ironclad as they probably want.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Claire along. Sypha clearly likes her, and she sounds kind of nice. She and Kelton also seemed to have something going, so maybe you two can bond over liking him!

That went better than I thought! For the Oath, I mean, they asked us to swear in the name of a divinity so that's what we'll do. Presumably most humans don't have magical contract ability for their oaths like we do so I don't see why we should break out something like that. I'm willing to bend on this though.

As for the Escort choice. Okay I'm really picking Claire because I like her the most of the three but to provide a more pragmatic reason for it - she's someone we know was present at Legerius when everything went down so she is best equipped to report to Artemis and Letoro about what was going on there from Mantrae's perspective. While Kelton just told us that she told him that Lancel and Axton are alive it might be best to bring the primary source to allay their concerns. The only one I'm against bringing is Ector and more because I do not want to deprive this group of their best weapon against the pursuing wyvern. As for Bernard, I know he said he'd make it clear he came along willingly but if there's political intrigue in the Empire geared towards war the truth of the matter... might not matter? I think I'm probably overthinking here and it wouldn't be an issue but can never be too careful.
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.
[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Sir Ector along. He's clearly making a big sacrifice, letting Sypha go anywhere other than Legerius. Memoires of Phoebe's desperate wish to do something to help makes you willing to put up with his lance to make things go more smoothly.


I'm confused on this bit. Is this what we vote for if we dont accept the two conditions?

Yes. If you vote for one or both of the first two options, then you're saying that you want to negotiate.

If you vote for the third, then you're saying you either can't or won't accept either option, and you're going to either fight it out here and now or back off and let Sypha go somewhere else.
 
I'm fairly sure swearing on the Emblem itself is basically the most significant Oath a noble can make in the Empire, but I cannot back that up within the story.
I don't have any evidence in-story to support this, either, but if the Fire Emblem is as significant here as it is in most Fire Emblem games...in a medieval European context, it would be less like swearing an oath on the cross and more like swearing an oath on The True Cross.

(If you don't know what that means, I have a blog post for you! Also a blog. Devereaux is good at what he does.)


I mean, I don't think this should be necessary and it would be kinda petty to ask of it and assuming they're going to be kinda petty about not having Sypha themselves, but I'm not opposed to the notion either.
I just don't want to abandon Robin to fend for himself, in enemy territory. (Technically presumed enemy territory, but anywhere in the Empire should be considered enemy territory if the Talons are within a day's march.)
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear in the Mother's name. This is a meaningful oath, but you're not the most devout of manakete. They might realize that this isn't quite as ironclad as they probably want.
[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Only swear after Mantrae's people say they'll make sure Robin gets home safely.
-[X] Invite Bernard along. He's Sypha's cousin, so she'd surely want him to be safe too. He also is still injured, so it'd be best to get him out of harm's way as soon as possible. He is a bit of a twit, though...
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Bernard along. He's Sypha's cousin, so she'd surely want him to be safe too. He also is still injured, so it'd be best to get him out of harm's way as soon as possible. He is a bit of a twit, though…
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Claire along. Sypha clearly likes her, and she sounds kind of nice. She and Kelton also seemed to have something going, so maybe you two can bond over liking him!
 
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[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear in the Mother's name. This is a meaningful oath, but you're not the most devout of manakete. They might realize that this isn't quite as ironclad as they probably want.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Claire along. Sypha clearly likes her, and she sounds kind of nice. She and Kelton also seemed to have something going, so maybe you two can bond over liking him!
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Bernard along. He's Sypha's cousin, so she'd surely want him to be safe too. He also is still injured, so it'd be best to get him out of harm's way as soon as possible. He is a bit of a twit, though…

I'd want to take Sir Ector but he does have the wyrm-killing lance. Maybe better to leave him with the group that has to deal with the wyrm. And if that's a consideration then it makes the most sense to remove the person who is most likely to slow them down.
 
They didn't ask for some "magical blood oath that could send our soul to hell" level thing, just a binding promise on something important to us. I feel no need to spontaneously offer something more serious, even if we don't have any intention of breaking it.

[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear in the Mother's name. This is a meaningful oath, but you're not the most devout of manakete. They might realize that this isn't quite as ironclad as they probably want.

There is no chance at all I would voluntarily spend more time with that punk Bernie. Have fun hiking through the woods, dude. I definitely regret leaving Robin, but hey, he's a ranger by profession, right? It's not a big ask, really.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Claire along. Sypha clearly likes her, and she sounds kind of nice. She and Kelton also seemed to have something going, so maybe you two can bond over liking him!
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear in the Mother's name. This is a meaningful oath, but you're not the most devout of manakete. They might realize that this isn't quite as ironclad as they probably want.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Bernard along. He's Sypha's cousin, so she'd surely want him to be safe too. He also is still injured, so it'd be best to get him out of harm's way as soon as possible. He is a bit of a twit, though…

I'm sure they'll understand if we tell them that the more-strong oath we know of is usually used for marriage.
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear in the Mother's name. This is a meaningful oath, but you're not the most devout of manakete. They might realize that this isn't quite as ironclad as they probably want.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Claire along. Sypha clearly likes her, and she sounds kind of nice. She and Kelton also seemed to have something going, so maybe you two can bond over liking him!
 
[x] Your Oath:
-[x] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.

[x] Sypha's Escort:
-[x] Only swear after Mantrae's people say they'll make sure Robin gets home safely.
-[x] Invite Bernard along. He's Sypha's cousin, so she'd surely want him to be safe too. He also is still injured, so it'd be best to get him out of harm's way as soon as possible. He is a bit of a twit, though…
 
I'm sure they'll understand if we tell them that the more-strong oath we know of is usually used for marriage.
"The only thing I have bigger than that's a full marriage oath, and I'd want to meet Sypha's mom and dad first to talk about that."

Cue Belle straight up falling out of the tree laughing.
 
I'm voting for Mother's Name just in case we need some flexibility and because they're getting everything else they want, so they won't have a lot of room to complain.

I'm choosing Sir Ector because with that lance he'll be best able to help us with any wyvern problems we encounter.

[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear in the Mother's name. This is a meaningful oath, but you're not the most devout of manakete. They might realize that this isn't quite as ironclad as they probably want.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Sir Ector along. He's clearly making a big sacrifice, letting Sypha go anywhere other than Legerius. Memoires of Phoebe's desperate wish to do something to help makes you willing to put up with his lance to make things go more smoothly.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Only swear after Mantrae's people say they'll make sure Robin gets home safely.
-[X] Invite Claire along. Sypha clearly likes her, and she sounds kind of nice. She and Kelton also seemed to have something going, so maybe you two can bond over liking him!

[X] You did everything you could, but the conditions are too much.
-[X] You pray you can end this with minimal blood... Your heart is filled with Determination
Why are you voting for both options?
 
Oh, it definitely turned out well - to be honest, even better than I expected.

[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.
[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Only swear after Mantrae's people say they'll make sure Robin gets home safely.
-[X] Invite Bernard along. He's Sypha's cousin, so she'd surely want him to be safe too. He also is still injured, so it'd be best to get him out of harm's way as soon as possible. He is a bit of a twit, though...

Bernard is currently a serious complication for the others. He's injured, which means they'll move slower. Mercenaries know him by sight, which means it will be more difficult for them to hide. He has little use in combat. Besides, if it turns out that he was wrong to trust the noble he wants to ask for help, it could end really badly.
In comparison, we are unlikely to encounter any complications on the way back.
 
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[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear in the Mother's name. This is a meaningful oath, but you're not the most devout of manakete. They might realize that this isn't quite as ironclad as they probably want.
[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Only swear after Mantrae's people say they'll make sure Robin gets home safely.
-[X] Invite Bernard along. He's Sypha's cousin, so she'd surely want him to be safe too. He also is still injured, so it'd be best to get him out of harm's way as soon as possible. He is a bit of a twit, though...
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Only swear after Mantrae's people say they'll make sure Robin gets home safely.
-[X] Invite Claire along. Sypha clearly likes her, and she sounds kind of nice. She and Kelton also seemed to have something going, so maybe you two can bond over liking him!
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Sir Ector along. He's clearly making a big sacrifice, letting Sypha go anywhere other than Legerius. Memoires of Phoebe's desperate wish to do something to help makes you willing to put up with his lance to make things go more smoothly.
 
[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.

[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Sir Ector along. He's clearly making a big sacrifice, letting Sypha go anywhere other than Legerius. Memoires of Phoebe's desperate wish to do something to help makes you willing to put up with his lance to make things go more smoothly
 
Stone Oaths
So I was thinking while I was out doing a chore, and I realized that there was a piece of information about Stone Oaths that you might like to know: it will include pulling out your dragonstone as part of the promise.

However, since you were going to need to get your stone out anyways to half-shift and fly Sypha away to avoid the wyvern, I didn't think to include it at first. However, since I believe in giving you as much information as Ryza would know, I figured I'd mention it in case it made anyone change their minds.

EDIT: More information:

How the Oath works:

The reason Stone Oaths are powerful is because it is felt by a manakete's dragon as well. Whereas most promises a heart-form makes are only bind to the dragon-self as much as they consent to be bound, a Stone Oath is instinctively felt by the dragon. Barring extremely unusual circumstances, a dragon will instantly move to fulfill any Stone Oath they feel compelled by. Whereas Dragon-Ryza would instinctively move to protect Artemis because Artemis is her BFF, she'd instinctively move to protect Sypha because she promised to.

On the heart's side, the oath is half magically binding, half culturally binding. While Ryza's mother taught her all promises are important, Stone Oaths are on another level. It's like walking into Mordor: breaking one is just Not Done. The magical compulsion is similar to the compulsion on the dragon, but lessened by the fact that heart-forms are meant for slower, more thoughtful actions. While Dragon-Ryza would instantly and unquestioningly move to protect Sypha, Heart-Ryza would feel a need and want to, but she'd have time to think about how best to do it.


All this being said, it's not an Unbreakable Vow: you don't instantly die if you break it. It's just psychologically difficult to go against it. It's also not a fey promise/devil's bargain, where exact wording is everything. So long as Ryza honestly feels like she is fulfilling the promise, she won't feel any guilt if someone else tries to use exact wording against her.

This goes both ways, of course: she can't hide behind technical truths and say she fulfilled it. If she promises to protect Sypha and get her home as soon as things are good between Legerius and Agrithe, she has to follow the spirit of that. If the Archduke makes patently unreasonable demands and then uses Mantrae's hesitation as an excuse to hold Sypha longer (not saying he would, just if he did.), Ryza would recognize that was unfair and feel compelled to break her out and take her home, just as she did for Artemis. She wouldn't be able to say "Oh, Archduke Letoro says it's okay so it must be okay!"

Mechanically, if you take the Stone Oath option, it is possible that you would run into situations where I wouldn't give options on whether or not you would do something, just how you would do it.


Making the Oath:

Ryza would need to get her stone out and say some special words in a sort of mini-ritual, tying the promise into her dragon's mind. This would be somewhat flashy: wings would be out, ears lengthened, lightning flickering. However, it would not be stabbing beams of lighting into the air saying "We are here! We are here!" to the Talons and anyone else looking.

Also, Ryza would be careful to phrase it in a way she honestly believes she can keep.


Why Ryza would make it in this case:

Ryza gets the feeling that what Mantrae's people want is a firm promise that they can trust and rely on. She unfortunately still has an incomplete understanding of human promises, and so she might figure "hey, let's go all out and hope my sincerity shines through!" or she might think "They specifically mentioned divinity, so let's give them what they want." Both are potentially reasonable lines of thought, you as voters are deciding which train of thought wins out.

Also, part of the Stone Oath does mention the Mother in a more formal sense.


Nothing really to say on the dragonstone, save that Ryza thinks it decently likely that Mantrae's people would want to watch the transformation anyways, and since she has to sit quietly for an hour, she's not sure she could really stop them. She might be able to convince them to give her privacy, though.
 
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So I was thinking while I was out doing a chore, and I realized that there was a piece of information about Stone Oaths that you might like to know: it will include pulling out your dragonstone as part of the promise.

However, since you were going to need to get your stone out anyways to half-shift and fly Sypha away to avoid the wyvern, I didn't think to include it at first. However, since I believe in giving you as much information as Ryza would know, I figured I'd mention it in case it made anyone change their minds.
Something I was wondering, is there some way Ryza could secure her stone better than just carrying it? I don't know if it's possible to keep it inside the body, obviously that would be safest, but maybe setting it in a necklace she could wear under her clothes or something?
 
Something I was wondering, is there some way Ryza could secure her stone better than just carrying it? I don't know if it's possible to keep it inside the body, obviously that would be safest, but maybe setting it in a necklace she could wear under her clothes or something?

So for being in the body that was a character creation choice, so I doubt that would be an option anytime soon.


[X] Your Oath:
-[X] Swear a Stone Oath. Go all out and swear the most meaningful promise a manakete can make. This was the promise that Father and Mother made when they married, the sort of oath that never gets broken.
[X] Sypha's Escort:
-[X] Invite Sir Ector along. He's clearly making a big sacrifice, letting Sypha go anywhere other than Legerius. Memoires of Phoebe's desperate wish to do something to help makes you willing to put up with his lance to make things go more smoothly.
 
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