Finding the Spark (Pathfinder 1E Quest)

That Mind Core sounds important. Probably something very valuable if the exiles believe it will allow them to buy their way back into the good graces of their queen. Azlanti magitech spirit/AI?
A magical AI core does sound likely, and not sure I like idea of a mad fey queen having it for both practical and moral reasons.

[X] Ask what aid they are willing to provide us to prevent the Mind Core from falling into their rivals' hands, and what reward we will receive if we succeed in doing so?

Best to always ask for payment if we are gonna do something anyway.
 
I'm not sure how we should proceed. I don't think we should share any of this with Gavhaul, however.
I think we should be working under the assumption that we want the core for ourselves. It is the most valuable Azlanti artifact out of the bunch... and the fey said they want to deny it to the other court, which leaves things open to a compromise. Yoinking valuable stuff is our specialty, if throneglass shards are of any indication.

There are two ways to go about it. Either we tell nothing to Gavhaul and try to procure the artifact in secret, possibly making a deal with the fey or eliminating Gavhaul from the equation entirely, or we help Gavhaul get it like the faithful mercenaries we are, with the understanding it will be the first thing we take off his cooling body. I think the second option is an even better bet, provided he has no opportunity to pass it to someone else for safekeeping or research. As paranoid as Gavhaul is, I doubt he'd trust anyone with what should be his personal reason for coming here, but he has a way to contact others at a distance and is planning to give away the copy of the demon tome, so it's not a guarantee.
 
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I think we should be working under the assumption that we want the core for ourselves. It is the most valuable Azlanti artifact out of the bunch... and the fey said they want to deny it to the other court, which leaves things open to a compromise. Yoinking valuable stuff is our specialty, if throneglass shards are of any indication.

There are two ways to go about it. Either we tell nothing to Gavhaul and try to procure the artifact in secret, possibly making a deal with the fey, or we help Gavhaul get it like the faithful mercenaries we are, with the understanding it will be the first thing we take off his cooling body. I think the second option is an even better bet, provided he has no opportunity to pass it to someone else for safekeeping or research. As paranoid as Gavhaul is, I doubt he'd trust anyone with what should be his personal reason for coming here, but he has a way to contact others at a distance and is planning to give away the copy of the demon tome, so it's not a guarantee.
I agree. That's why I worded the questions in my vote like I did. Notice that I didn't mention anything about retrieving the core for this group of Fey, but instead simply denying it to their rivals.
 
Alright then. I know Gavhaul made no fans around here, but he is a part of this group right until the moment he isn't, as opposed to other factions that would take their share and part ways with us. Up to a certain point we might be better off doing our job, or at least making a good show of it.

[x] Ask what aid they are willing to provide us to prevent the Mind Core from falling into their rivals' hands, and what reward we will receive if we succeed in doing so?

Does the question assume we will be working with the fey if their conditions are favorable? The most favorable being "they aid us to the extent required to achieve our common goals, and they will let us keep the core" (and possibly other things, but I keep my eyes on the prize).

Artemis1992 brought up some fine points; even though his options aren't what I'd pick, I'd like to settle on the approach.
 
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Does the question assume we will be working with the fey if their conditions are favorable? The most favorable being "they aid us to the extent required to achieve our common goals, and they will let us keep the core" (and possibly other things, but I keep my eyes on the prize).
That depends on the Fey's answer. Best not to leave any ambiguity or wiggle room with any agreements made between them and us. It would be helpful to have some Fey support of our own if we're going to be dealing with enemy Fey, but only if what they offer doesn't come with too many strings or cause more issues than it solves.

My preference for help would be intel about the surroundings, types of enemy Fey we could encounter, a guarantee of non-interference from this faction's members, etc. Active assistance from the Fey, as in them sending people to accompany us, would probably be more trouble than it's worth.
 
[X] Ask what aid they are willing to provide us to prevent the Mind Core from falling into their rivals' hands, and what reward we will receive if we succeed in doing so?
 
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  • [X] Ask what aid they are willing to provide us to prevent the Mind Core from falling into their rivals' hands, and what reward we will receive if we succeed in doing so?
    [X] Ask the fey if they are in the market for someone to remove their rivals
 
Arc 8 Post 30: Weighing the Odds
Weighing the Odds

4th of Neth 4707 A.R. (Absalom Reckoning)

Rather than try to snap bargains from one breath to the next you beg off rushing to face the dragon in favor of getting the lay of the land. It is, after all, a manner true... there is a lot of things you would ask the gnomish prince, only some of which are fit to say aloud. But before all else, the company must gather and seek understanding. At least now you have the shape of the players on the board: There's Gavhaul, who you know too well and not enough, the villagers, who are missing their prize and may or many not be able to pay for it, and the Court of Resplendent Morn, who want to keep the prize out of the hands of the Court of Veils, themselves little liked and seeking the favor of a queen ill-omened. In the midst of all this a dragon, still young and brash perhaps, if reports are to be trusted, who has the prize and is courted by the local fey while the strangers would want him dead.

The others agree that it is better to be a fey-slayer than a dragon-slayer, but either way it seems clear that the locals only want this 'mind-core' out of the hands of their rivals and not into their own. That opens some mutually beneficial opportunities.

"Getting paid for what Triss and her lot tried to trick us into, you mean?" Mina asks, quick on the uptake. She turns to Sirim and the shade departs, no longer able to facilitate silent communication for having to play messenger, though not for long. The delegation had chosen to linger on the green 'In case the dragon comes back', but more likely because they did not want to be surrounded by sellswords in the town's only inn.

"Five thousand gold pieces in raw gemstones or three thousand in Andoran gold to remove the lord of the Court of Veils from play. If we take the latter we would require mercantile contacts to get better out of the deal," comes the oddly prosaic answer, not that any of you mind a straight answer. And for the first time since that dragon showed up, Gorok's tail isn't snapping to and fro with barely leashed agitation. "We would, of course, also get to loot the bodies. The lord is a magician of some repute and maintains a guard of brutish Ohancanus, though he is a prideful sort who would accept a duel from any mortal magician who has mastered the Third Circle, which both Mina, Akorian, and I have done."

"And do you fancy dueling this spirit-kin?" you ask, startled. Sirim did not strike you as one to throw himself headlong into a fight with an unknown foe.

"Ah... you have never heard of a Pangolais Duel, have you? It goes something like this: if you win than you won fairly and are owed honorable spoils, and if you're losing than its time for your allies to jump in, adjust the odds, and once the blood is spilled make an account of events. Odd how often dead men are found to have cheated, it must be on account of knowing they would lose."

Cob frowns in Sirim's direction, to which the smoke-shade ripples in silent laughter. "Everyone has their vices Master Cob, ours is being verbose."

What do you do?

[] Take the fey deal, go 'looking for the dragon' while in fact searching for the master of the Court of Veils

[] Actually look for the dragon
-[] Write in argument to give to the others

[] Write in


OOC: Enjoy.
 
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Ah... you have never heard of a Pangolais Duel did you? It goes something like this: if you win than you won fairly and are owed honorable spoils, if you're losing than its time for your allies to jump in, adjust the odds and once the blood is spilled the account of events. Odd how often dead men are found to have cheat, it must be on account of knowing they would loose."
Very sensible.

[X] Take the fey deal, go 'looking for the dragon' while in fact searching for the master of the court of Veils
 
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Hmm, not a bad deal from the Fey. Pleasantly straight forward, even. Suspiciously so, perhaps?

It doesn't sound like they care about the treasure beyond depriving the Court of Veils of their bargaining chip, so that's a plus.

Assuming the Fey we're speaking with isn't blowing smoke up our asses.

If we go after the Court of Veils, that's an extra payday and more loot. It's more dealings with the Fey, though, and the Dragon will still be out there, with the treasure it stole. We would need to deal with it, too.

We can go after the Dragon first, with help from Gavhaul and the mercs, then deal with the Fey at our leisure. I don't think we could convince him to go after the Fey rather than the Dragon, so we would be better off going with the flow for a while longer.

[X] Actually look for the dragon
-[X] Gavhaul is intent on hunting the Dragon down. It would make sense for us to accompany him for now so that we can face the Dragon with as many extra combatants as possible. Afterwards, we can focus on the Fey.
 
If we go after the Court of Veils, that's an extra payday and more loot. It's more dealings with the Fey, though, and the Dragon will still be out there, with the treasure it stole. We would need to deal with it, too.
We don't.

If we let the dragon keep the loot, the Pathfinders pay us for it.

I'd be very okay with not engaging the Dragon at all.
 
We don't.

If we let the dragon keep the loot, the Pathfinders pay us for it.

I'd be very okay with not engaging the Dragon at all.
To clarify, I should say we would have to go after it if we want the loot. If we don't, we can of course ignore the Dragon.

Gavhaul isn't going to ignore it, though. He's probably going to go after it with or without us, and he's going to take the mercs and the Dwarves with him. If we go, too, we can continue aiming to co-opt them all, and whose to say that Gavhaul doesn't have an accident while we're trying out hand at Dragon slaying? There is more than one way to keep the Apsis Consortium from getting the treasure.
 
We can go after the Dragon first, with help from Gavhaul and the mercs, then deal with the Fey at our leisure. I don't think we could convince him to go after the Fey rather than the Dragon, so we would be better off going with the flow for a while longer.
Could attempt to deal with dragon too, since so long as Gavhaul gets loot he likely won't seek out conflict with a potentially powerful being.

But yeah, either way Gavhaul will want to hunt it down, but nothing says we can't take fey deal too.

[X] Actually look for the dragon
-[X] Gavhaul is intent on hunting the Dragon down. It would make sense for us to accompany him for now so that we can face the Dragon with as many extra combatants as possible. Afterwards, we can focus on the Fey.
 
To clarify, I should say we would have to go after it if we want the loot. If we don't, we can of course ignore the Dragon.

Gavhaul isn't going to ignore it, though. He's probably going to go after it with or without us, and he's going to take the mercs and the Dwarves with him. If we go, too, we can continue aiming to co-opt them all, and whose to say that Gavhaul doesn't have an accident while we're trying out hand at Dragon slaying? There is more than one way to keep the Apsis Consortium from getting the treasure.
I'm really worried about getting backstabbed while or after fighting the dragon.

Either faction of Fey would have a serious interest in using their temporary superiority while we are weakened and low on spells from fighting a dragon to take the loot from us.

Worse, Gavhaul might have similar thoughts and use the moment.

Right now the strongest individual party has the big shiny, so everyone is hesitant about attacking it.
But once it changes hands from a dragon to some exhausted mortals, everyone will see their chance.

Better to focus on a likely easier fight with good loot promised and then see what we can do about Gavhaul, than the other way around.
Maybe we can even catch him with his pants down and Powerpoints expanded after battling a Dragon...
 
I'm really worried about getting backstabbed while or after fighting the dragon.

Either faction of Fey would have a serious interest in using their temporary superiority while we are weakened and low on spells from fighting a dragon to take the loot from us.

Worse, Gavhaul might have similar thoughts and use the moment.

Right now the strongest individual party has the big shiny, so everyone is hesitant about attacking it.
But once it changes hands from a dragon to some exhausted mortals, everyone will see their chance.

Better to focus on a likely easier fight with good loot promised and then see what we can do about Gavhaul, than the other way around.
Maybe we can even catch him with his pants down and Powerpoints expanded after battling a Dragon...
I worry about a Fey doublecross, too. Or just getting attacked by the Court of Veils while we're distracted.

If we go after the Court of Veils now, however, we're pretty much going to be splitting off from the expedition permanently, because Gavhaul is going to keep going after the Dragon and we won't have any way to justify leaving now except for outright telling him we're done. He will probably fail without us, but that is far from guaranteed, and we won't get our Pathfinder payday if he succeeds. The only way we can be certain he fails to get the treasure is to continue traveling with the expedition, IMO.
 
I worry about a Fey doublecross, too. Or just getting attacked by the Court of Veils while we're distracted.

If we go after the Court of Veils now, however, we're pretty much going to be splitting off from the expedition permanently, because Gavhaul is going to keep going after the Dragon and we won't have any way to justify leaving now except for outright telling him we're done. He will probably fail without us, but that is far from guaranteed, and we won't get our Pathfinder payday if he succeeds. The only way we can be certain he fails to get the treasure is to continue traveling with the expedition, IMO.
I can live with that.

We have reached the goal area now, we can ambush and kill Gavhaul later to secure the adamant.
 
Generally, we are very close to the end of the line with Gavhaul, and if it comes to backstabbing, we probably won't out-paranoia the Aspis Agent.

But we are most definitly the better woodsmen than anything in his troop, so leaving the party and going for an old-fashioned ambush on the highway while he tries to fight a dragon or secure the Adamantine seems to be a good option.
 
There are exactly two fucking fey courts mucking about here, I am not fighting a dragon.

I want to take one out of the picture, befriend the other, and Gavhaul can suck it. If he wants to go and fight the dragon it is his problem. I would rather befriend these fey and do a mega ambush against Gavhaul.
 
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There are exactly two fucking fey courts mucking about here, I am not fighting a dragon.

I want to take one out of the picture, befriend the other, and Gavhaul can suck it. If he wants to go and fight the dragon it is his problem. I would rather befriend these fey and do a mega ambush against Gavhaul.
My word.

Vote with me, and we shall have parity!
 
[X] Take the fey deal, go 'looking for the dragon' while in fact searching for the master of the court of Veils

This at least makes everything less chaotic
 
Should we not stab gavhaul in the back while he fighting the dragon?
Maybe, if we can get there fast enough after dealing with the fey.

But if we go with him together, we risk being stabbed in the back by him while fighting the dragon and then getting another stab from one of the fey groups as soon as the dust clears.

Nobody in this mess wants to let the others have the loot.
 
What's the plan if he goes after the dragon, succeeds, and gets all the loot himself?
Then we ambush him before he can get away with it.

The primary goal of his is still the adamant, I believe, which means a long and hard transport, organized by our Pathfinder-contact after we killed his original plan for being a murderous vampire abducting young ladies.
 
[X] Actually look for the dragon
-[X] Ally with the dragon against Gavhaul and try to convince it to aid you against the court of Veils

here we have the rare and dreaded third vote.

I want to know what's up with this dragon. Dragons are cool.

I also think now is the time to stab Gavhaul. Ideally with quite a bit of help.


We do also have a demon shapeshifter? Running around somewhere.

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As for actual reasoning also.

-The dragon isnt in bed with gavhaul, the fae courts, or the townsfolk, also probably not the demons.
-Its a powerful single actor with a goal that nominally works with our intentions
-It almost certainly isn't aware of all this insane shit going around surrounding this cache. And will be able to make better decisions if informed as such.
-This dragon is probably younger and easier to influence.

What kind of dragon tries to justify its decision making to mortals?

"These have no place in earthly hands!" A voice that echoes through every bone in your body proclaims as claws of silver dig into the wood and wings buffet the air.

That shows more consideration on its part than most of the people in this entire debacle have shown.

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Also looking at the outer dragon age blocks

Young for outer dragons is 16-25. Which is adult by this worlds standards but still very young by dragon ones.

Why is it down here instead of staying in it's parents territory? Why go after a cask of dangerous magical artifacts guarded by people much stronger than it?
 
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