I mean, part of the reason he manages to kill Da Vinci is that they never suspected him. But here, things might go a little differently, I bet.

Either he doesn't show up with the Mage's Association delegation, or Chaldea immediately attacks him.
Or maybe they have him arrive later, after the twins have been pulled into a meeting. "The representative of the Church is running late." Then his first appearance is ambushing Da Vinci or something similar, for maximum Oh Shit from the twins. (And possibly their parents?)
 
Kotomine's dead in FGO canon too, he doesn't live past the Fuyuki Grail War.
That said, if I'm remembering Swordo's implications right, why do you think the Church's representative to Chaldea is a dead man who doesn't even have the magnificent goatee of the Churches representative?:V
 
That said, if I'm remembering Swordo's implications right, why do you think the Church's representative to Chaldea is a dead man who doesn't even have the magnificent goatee of the Churches representative?:V
Wait, goatee? I thought it was the mullet... :???:
 
"Kana also has a sword."

"Speaking of, did you name your Azoth Blade?"

"...No." Ritsuka frowns. "I didn't like Undertale that much."

"Now I have more questions."
"What route did you two pick?"
"...Oh right the Fake Prest."
From Google: (obsolete) a loan of money.

This fits considering he wasted the Tohsaka money. So there's no need to put 'fake' in front.
"I hear he was a beast."

"He was a monster,"
"Save the Beast labels for actual Beasts."
Kana nods and punches her brother. Immediately, he punches her back. Kana draws Asriel, and so it begins.
Like, did she walk up to him and gave him a small punch, and he did the same? Like how bros do it?
 
I mean, part of the reason he manages to kill Da Vinci is that they never suspected him. But here, things might go a little differently, I bet.

Either he doesn't show up with the Mage's Association delegation, or Chaldea immediately attacks him.
That is if they recognize him, I doubt that they keep a picture of the damn priest. At least up until he gives out his name.
 
Archer crosses his arms. "This is a good opportunity. Fight each other."

Ritsuka blinks. Kana blinks. "What, like right now?"

"Right now," Archer nods.

"...Okay." Kana nods and punches her brother. Immediately, he punches her back. Kana draws Asriel, and so it begins.

Archer simply watches. This will be informative.

Archer doesn't know much about Sibling-Rivalries and -Fights.
from expirience I can say: these are nothing like real fights
 
"...Oh right the Fake Priest." Ritsuka nods. "I hear he was a beast."

"He was a monster," Archer says, plain and simply. "Nevertheless, between you and Kana, I can confidently say that you are the more skilled fighter."

It's funny that EMIYA thinks Kirei was a monster when the Fake Priest had weakened along the years thanks to old age, Angry Mango's influence, and spending time making Rin's childhood hell.

If it was F/Z Kirei that fought Shirou Emiya instead, well...

"Mm." Archer looks off into the distance. "One of these days, I should observe the two of you fighting. Against each other, and against a shared enemy."

That's not how parenting works these days, EMIYA.

Archer crosses his arms. "This is a good opportunity. Fight each other."

Damn it EMIYA, you living failure!

"Save the Beast labels for actual Beasts."

I always thought that Kirei was to Angry Mango as Metatron is to YHVH- unholy mouthpiece of a malicious deity. So not quite a Beast, but close enough.
 
Also, looking him up on the Type-Moon wiki also lead me to the wiki page for Echidna, realized that there's now a proper Fate design for her, and... Holy shit, she's way more lewd than I thought she'd be, even taking into account the whole "mother of all monsters" thing. I think her tits might be proportionately larger than Passionlip's.

It's gonna be awkward, because I was planning on using her in a fic...
On the one hand, yeah she is rocking the gazongas, on the other hand given her actual character design they are probably the least 'sexual' boobs in Type/Moon despite their gargantuan size.


Draconic Corpus Tiamat is more sexable than that... thing...

This can all be made short by simply saying that being Solomon/Romani is suffering, and this is all without Merlin/David/da Vinci/Goetia rearing their ugly heads.
It really is; Goetia was supposed to be a sort of 'automated system' that would continue protecting Human Order after Solomon's death, instead they stole his body, went insane and decided that they were the real Solomon and that protecting Human Order was an inherently pointless activity, therefore they should just set all of human history on fire so that they would be the only being left, thus becoming a free and all-powerful 'God' by default.

I mean, part of the reason he manages to kill Da Vinci is that they never suspected him. But here, things might go a little differently, I bet.

Either he doesn't show up with the Mage's Association delegation, or Chaldea immediately attacks him.
'What the fu- you're dead, how are you not de- ! DEAD APOSTLE!' *Kirei gets dogpiled by a dozen Servants*
 
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Err that part is wrong. Goetia is a Beast carrying the sin of pity for a reason
Check Goetia's profile in F/GO:

Goetia said:
Goetia's objective is to reach the apex---
To become the sole existence in this planet.
Despite knowing of their helplessness, their ugliness, Solomon accepted humans without correcting them.
But the demons could not accept this, and eventually concluded that there is no value to humans and the future, and feared the result called extinction.
Their own extinction was a matter of course, but they felt repugnance over the conclusion of "everything disappearing".

And thus, Goetia resumed activity by making king Solomon's corpse into his nest, but there was a great dilemma in his way of being.

In spite of asserting that humans had no value, the demons could not exist without being employed by humans.
The disgrace of having to remain under humans - the sole and greatest "waste of resources" in this universe - despite being life forms of a higher dimension.
Goetia could not accept such contradictions and unfaithfulness, and set out on a quest of self-reform.

Reset the objective of serving humans.
Absolute proof that he is the highest existence in this planet.
Reaching the apex that not even Solomon could attain.
In other words, the beginning of the great venture of becoming God.
 
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What in YHVH's blue earth is that abomination Nasu you crazy mushroom I swear to God-
Basically Nasu took all the drugs, passed out on the couch, had a weird fetish dream, woke up, ran to the phone, speed dialed his fetish artist (Mr. Definitely Not Takeichi, totally different person), and then they had a conversation that went something like this:

Nasu: 'Dude! Dude! Dude! I just had the best idea ever!'
Nasu: 'So listen, this is how we're going to do Echidna.'
Mr. DNT: 'That is incredible.'
Mr. DNT: 'Can we make her a saberface?'
Nasu: 'NO!'


Of course, the really fun part is when you consider the likelihood that Kama's 'true' Beast III/L form (if he manifested as himself instead of as a Pseudo-Servant in Sakura) would probably be something along the lines of a male version of Echidna.
 
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It really is; Goetia was supposed to be a sort of 'automated system' that would continue protecting Human Order after Solomon's death, instead they stole his body, went insane and decided that they were the real Solomon and that protecting Human Order was an inherently pointless activity, therefore they should just set all of human history on fire so that they would be the only being left, thus becoming a free and all-powerful 'God' by default.

Uh, no.
Check Goetia's profile in F/GO:

You very much misunderstood that.

Goetia's entire plan hinged on a simple thing - he pitied humanity and saw their struggles as pointless. Thus, he decided to end them entirely. Killing everyone across all time would be fine, because all he'd have to do was use the power generated by burning thousands of years to shoot himself into the past, becoming the new God of Humanity from the onset, thus creating a world where humans would never struggle. (Essentially similar to LB3 or LB5, actually.) In doing this he conscripted all of the Demons and did a shitload of setup, brushing off their differences in getting them to work together, and prepared for thousands of years to enact his scheme.

It's just, he didn't actually understand humanity. And the only pillar who did was Flauros, who only had a very brief amount of time in charge, and who Goetia basically went "na fam leave them be" to after Septum because he didn't see how they were a potential threat. Now, mind you, he's unfathomably strong and has precisely 1 weakness that he thought he covered, so it shouldn't have been an issue, but, uh... well.

That is, by the way, why Goetia's last form changed from "King of Demons" to "King of Men". He finally, finally understood why humans struggled, and began acting in the manner of a human himself... by futilely burning the last of his power in a final "FUCK YOU" meant to kill Chaldea, in spite of the fact that he was already dead. Truly a human in the last.
 
Uh, no.


You very much misunderstood that.

Goetia's entire plan hinged on a simple thing - he pitied humanity and saw their struggles as pointless. Thus, he decided to end them entirely. Killing everyone across all time would be fine, because all he'd have to do was use the power generated by burning thousands of years to shoot himself into the past, becoming the new God of Humanity from the onset, thus creating a world where humans would never struggle. (Essentially similar to LB3 or LB5, actually.) In doing this he conscripted all of the Demons and did a shitload of setup, brushing off their differences in getting them to work together, and prepared for thousands of years to enact his scheme.

It's just, he didn't actually understand humanity. And the only pillar who did was Flauros, who only had a very brief amount of time in charge, and who Goetia basically went "na fam leave them be" to after Septum because he didn't see how they were a potential threat. Now, mind you, he's unfathomably strong and has precisely 1 weakness that he thought he covered, so it shouldn't have been an issue, but, uh... well.

That is, by the way, why Goetia's last form changed from "King of Demons" to "King of Men". He finally, finally understood why humans struggled, and began acting in the manner of a human himself... by futilely burning the last of his power in a final "FUCK YOU" meant to kill Chaldea, in spite of the fact that he was already dead. Truly a human in the last.
I'm not actually seeing how that contradicts what I said? Especially combined with his belief that Mash should understand his views about the 'eradication of death' due to herself being designed with a short life span that only exists to serve others.

Also I'm pretty sure it was implied, if not outright stated that the reason Goetia couldn't understand humans was because he was immortal, and humans aren't. He became the Human King after Solomon's sacrifice and Ritsuka's defeat of the Demon Pillars left him with a limited, mortal existence, and his final words are about how the briefness of human life is actually a lot more interesting\meaningful than he had thought. All of which suggests that the key thing that Goetia was missing the whole time was mortality.

It also wasn't a final 'fuck you' or meant to kill Chaldea; the Human King never expected to win that fight. He fought to show respect to his enemy, the magnificent opponent that had taken everything he threw at them and defeated him utterly, and he fought to experience the joy of living, something that he was only capable of due to his new mortal existence. IIRC it's explicitly stated that he held no anger or resentment towards Ritsuka for defeating him, because even if he did win, he was still defeated and the Pillars were still gone, so he fought not to kill Ritsuka, but to discover what it felt like to be alive.


None of which changes his original plan to burn all of human history to provide the energy needed to turn himself into an unlimited, ultimate being, a 'God' in every practical sense, something that required first becoming the sole existence on the planet, presumably due to conceptual magic reasons.



e: Yeah, Fate Grand Order Material IV:
Human King Goetia said:
The "last opponent" who, after the last battle happened and everything had been settled, appeared in front of the protagonist from inside the Temple.
However, by gaining lifespan he became able to comprehend humans, something that Goetia until now was unable to do; he had achieved the state of "human king", a wise king to surpass even King Solomon.
He did not operate only with the violent emotion such as rage and resentment belonging to the previous Goetia, but also with the natural emotion as a human that he now had possessed, as he had arrived to understanding.
He held no anger towards the protagonists that had defeated him.
Even if he killed the protagonists, the fact that Goetia had crumbled and had been defeated would not change.
That last standing of his is simply "the last obstinacy as the one who had persevered until this moment".

Both in spirit and in action, rather than the last boss he has the feel of the main character instead.
His body crumbled bit by bit during the battle; it was regrettable, but he did not lament over it. His only real feeling was "So this is what being alive means. What life means."
"To show respect to this magnificent opponent, all the while swallowing the emptiness of losing everything, and clash as enemies until the end."
That was what granted unto him, the sole greatest reward for his 3000 years of grand undertaking.
Mortality is what let Goetia understand humanity, and the final fight was about feeling what it meant to be alive and showing respect to the one that had defeated him.
 
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