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Fate/Sunny Order (FGO)

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Swordomatic said:
I'm looking forward to London and Camelot so much. Babylonia's where the family stuff becomes most relevant, but honestly it already starts coming into play by London and that's when it gets fun to write.
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Fran: *looking at Ritsuka* Daddy?

*From several singularities and one pseudo-singularity away, a certain MASSIVE jerk of an Archer, twitches*

Jack: *looking at Kana* Mommy?

*From even further away, a certain accidental summoner sneezes rather hard*
 
So basically Archer was saying that swords are only given meaning by those who wield them and the acts those wielders commit which.... is entirely accurate. When you get down to it, a sword is just a sharp piece of metal. It's the people who use them to defend others, commit atrocities, or whatever else that gives them their reputation and weight. hell, that's pretty clear in the whole deal with Noble Phantasms, which are crystallized legends, meaning the act which was committed that makes them so famous. It's also why a large part of Archer's magic is focused on not just recreating the sword, but the experiences, skills, and abilities of the wielder themselves, and sympathizing with the history of the blade. He's just too much of an idiot who has completely internalized the process--hello, Reality Marble--to actually properly explain that to someone not as broken as him. Also, self-loathing. That's a pretty big factor too.
 
Andmeuths said:
It's a shame Kana didn't hear the most important part, which Archer left for last. She's free. The Magics of her Brother and her Mother are bound to the legacy of the Tokhsaka crest, and therefore cannot be freely defined. But because a Sword has no inherent meaning, she is free to construct whatever meaning her heart desires to the Sword that is herself. She's free and Ritsuka is a slave to the Tohsaka Crest, since I don't think Ritsuka's sense of responsibility allows him to decline eventually inheriting and building on top of the crest inherited from his mother (which is why Gilgamesh suplexes him, because this sense of responsibility probably makes Ritsuka as boring as Tokiomi from his majesty's viewpoint.)


She, on the other hand, has to build her magic from foundations up, but it also means that she isn't obligated to build on the foundations of her father, and she really shouldn't because she must define her own meaning, because she is not Shirou/Archer and should not ever be Shirou/Archer. So starting again from the fundamentals is necessary because it gives her the building blocks to define herself. Honestly, I think GIlgamesh is disappointed in her: why would someone of that kind of liberty sacrifice it to imitate a Faker? She is clearly a superior Sword to the Faker of her Father - Damascus Steel to a Copper Knife. Kana has more freedom than just about any other daughter born to a Magus in her own time-line, why forsake that freedom? There is probably any number of children born to Magi her age that would utterly envy Kana's liberty.
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Kana truly is The Fool. A zero that is nothing, yet undefined that holds infinite possibilities.

Fitting for Kana that The Fool symbolizes innocence, divine inspiration, madness, freedom, spontaneity, inexperience, chaos and creativity.
 
I kinda dig some of the singularities being recaps, but there are certain parts that would be more interesting in Sunny Order due to the characters already present.

Okeanos for Herc vs Herc and gorgon sibling spats (Not to mention Medea probably just nuking everything), America for nerd Ritsuka vs Presi-king and Cu vs Medb.

Also, I don't know the actual plan for Kana's character arc, but it seems like she needs intervention from Shishou or Dantes. It just seems like the obvious solution, but I could be misinterpreting things.
 
You know it so far ahead in the future that it almost doesn't bare mentioning, but I have to wonder. What would the twins, and "Team A" would think of anything each other?
 
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Tahu1809 said:
What would the twins, and "Team A" would think of anything each other?
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A whole lot less sympathy/surprise at their accomplishments (no jealousy from Kadoc, for example) because the twins aren't 'normal' humans who stepped up and got shit done regardless.

They come from a recent line of Eastern magi, but also hold ranks in the Clock Tower already*, so mixed opinions all around, depending on how much of Team A being meritocratic is true.

* - Ritsuka is a 'Fez' (same as Waver, highest rank than can be gained though feats alone), and Kana is a 'Cause' (same as canon!Ritsuka post Arc 1), both at eighteen or so, which I recall is rather above average, if not gamebreakingly spectacular.
 
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TimeDiver said:
A whole lot less sympathy/surprise at their accomplishments (no jealousy from Kadoc, for example) because the twins aren't 'normal' humans who stepped up and got shit done regardless.

They come from a recent line of Eastern magi, but also hold ranks in the Clock Tower already*, so mixed opinions all around, depending on how much of Team A being meritocratic is true.

* - Ritsuka is a 'Fez', and Kana is a 'Cause', both at eighteen or so, which I recall is rather above average, if not gamebreakingly spectacular.
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They're the children of a Grand (who let it be known made Grand in her early thirties - this isn't Touko levels of wtf but it's still up there, and she probably could have done it faster if she weren't raising kids) and Ritsuka's a prodigy himself, so Fes at 18 isn't bad at all. Waver's a Fes, for instance. Kana being a Cause is a testament to her foundations, but ultimately she's probably gonna peak at Fes; note that Shirou's technically a Cause too.

The A Team would not be as outraged at Ritsuka and Kana, since they didn't come from nothing and were bound to be reasonably important just from their pedigree of being heirs to Zelretch's only competent student... if they knew it was Ritsuka and Kana.

They don't. Chaldea's records list Ritsuka and Kana Tohsaka as Gudao and Gudako Fujimaru, hedge wizards from nowhere with no magecraft and no bloodline to speak of.

I'm looking forward to lostbelt too. :)
 
Swordomatic said:
They don't. Chaldea's records list Ritsuka and Kana Tohsaka as Gudao and Gudako Fujimaru, hedge wizards from nowhere with no magecraft and no bloodline to speak of.
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Great. So because of a running gag (that 'Auntie' Luvia encouraged, no less!!) Kadoc will still bitch and moan about losing/missing his chance to prove himself...

...until he and Ritsuka have a nice, long conversation; at which point the mystique will be shattered, and Kadoc will be thankful he missed the utter insanity. :p
 
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Ritsuka Alter gets a somewhat nasty wakeup call when two pissed off mages and a bunch of servants drive the shadow border into the castle
 
Kadoc is ritsuka alter.

-Similar base appearance, similar thing to canon ritsuka in that main talent is rayshift compatability, has the colour scheme of an alter, is the one who's bitter about everything.

I'm not wrong
 
Swordomatic said:
A small robot slides over with fish and chips for the Professor not long after, before any protest can be made.
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Wait. Babbage is already there?
Swordomatic said:
He sighs, thinking back to their own adventures, solving magical mishaps like the office gopher, always thinking back to the 'whydunnit'.

...The why, huh?
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Soooo....

What she need is detectives? Or a philosopher who applied scientific method to her own philosophy?
 
Sightedjt said:
Kadoc is ritsuka alter.

-Similar base appearance, similar thing to canon ritsuka in that main talent is rayshift compatability, has the colour scheme of an alter, is the one who's bitter about everything.

I'm not wrong
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Thanks for telling, but does he-


-huh. So he does look a bit like Ritsuka. Ritsuka. Kadoc. Ritsukadoc. Ritsukadoomer. Kadoomer?
 
Tiny_Dic said:
Thanks for telling, but does he-


-huh. So he does look a bit like Ritsuka. Ritsuka. Kadoc. Ritsukadoc. Ritsukadoomer. Kadoomer?
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I'm looking forward to having some of my Servants express my displeasure at this wannabe edgelord. He's got a Tsarina on his side, but I've got Merlin and the Ozymandias on my side, and pyramids beat Russian winters fairly conclusively
 
Swordomatic said:
"I will begin my thesis thusly: Swords are stupid. They have no inherent meaning. All they do is kill and kill and kill. They are worthless tools whose only purpose is to destroy. That is all they are. That is all they will ever be. All meaning ascribed to the sword is virtual, as meaningless as broken promises. They are the weapon equivalent of a one-trick pony with no redeeming qualities save for how thoroughly they debase themselves in trying to perform their singular trick."
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"Uh, I think I can refute that just let me..."

Kana reaches for her phone; a weapon of the modern era connected to the sum of human knowledge and experience.

Archer smacks her hand away.

"We don't use facts and logic on this battlefield!"
 
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UltimateGrr said:
I'm looking forward to having some of my Servants express my displeasure at this wannabe edgelord. He's got a Tsarina on his side, but I've got Merlin and the Ozymandias on my side, and pyramids beat Russian winters fairly conclusively
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I don't have Ozy, so I'll probably have to borrow someone else's (unless I draw him while trying for Hokusai). On the other hand, I have Merlin and Rider Kintoki. Merlin can help the borrowed Ozy, while Kintoki can just run her over on his own. I mean, there's something to be said about clearing an endless winter by running it over with a motorcycle, right?

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure my only gold Buster Rider is Drake, but she's not impressive at single-target damage in my experience, so her main contribution would be giving Ozy even more buffs. Yes, Rider is one of my worse classes, though at least it's better than Assassin.

edit: Forgot about Santa Alter. She's rather more impressive than Drake, but there are better DPS Riders. I'll probably stick with Kintoki.

Anyway, on the topic of Ereshkigal, I'm kinda expecting her to go for Kana, personally. I feel like most of the traits she apparently falls for in the game were given to Kana in this fic, and Rin is canonically bi, so... Kana taunting Ritsuka about having a goddess possessing their mother going for him, only to get a different mother-possessing goddess blatantly crushing on her?
 
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Swordomatic said:
You need to make your own meaning, because nothing matters, so you have to make it matter.
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Goddamnit Archer, you're trying to teach Nihilism For Dummies, you fucking LEAD with this one.
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(Since Saber and Lion King are technically the same person like how Shirou and Archer are, the memory transfer probably could happen)
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Okita and Okita Alter at least posit that this is accurate.

RBomber said:
Wait. Babbage is already there?
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On one hand hopefully yes, on the other hand that means Babbage showing up was given no gravitas...
 
Tje thing with Archer feels kind of weird here, especially for the fact in canon Chaldea he's genuinely happy because he can truly help out everyone in saving the world.
 
The Kaleidosticks... This can only end well.

"Kadoc as Ritsuka Alter"? Even the command seals look vaguely like an upside down version of the protagonists'...
 
You know I wonder what Ritsuka and Kana are gonna think of King Hassan? I am also looking forward to him cutting loose and helping them slay a god by applying the concept of death to it in Babylonia.
 
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