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Deathwings said:
Mordred's easy to deal with. Just dope-slap Saber until she gives up on her stupid pride and give Moe-chan a freaking hug. They both fucking need it, between Arturia's guilt complex and Mordred's EVERYTHING.
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...not really.
Artoria's entire livelihood, her entire life, was Camelot.
Sure, she worded her thoughts to Mordred too bluntly, but Mordred still ruined her entire life.
That's not something that can be dope-slapped away.
Not to mention that Mordred's the closest thing to a child by rape without any actual rape involved, since Morgan stole Artoria's semen.
 
AspiringShoulder said:
...not really.
Artoria's entire livelihood, her entire life, was Camelot.
Sure, she worded her thoughts to Mordred too bluntly, but Mordred still ruined her entire life.
That's not something that can be dope-slapped away.
Not to mention that Mordred's the closest thing to a child by rape without any actual rape involved, since Morgan stole Artoria's semen.
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IIRC, there is actually rape by deception involved, since I think Morgan was disguised as Guinevere to pull it off. Might be thinking of a facet of Arthurian mythos that Fate doesn't use though.

OG Artoria tends to show more trust and treats Mordred far better than one should reasonably expect once all the context is taken into account.

(Meanwhile the Lancer variants only ever try to straight up kill Mordred or give her a poisonous Gift intended to slowly burn away her soul and banish her from living inside the city while still using her as a guard dog. I have no idea why fanart and such always has them as being nicer to Mordred.)
 
Xellos said:
OG Artoria tends to show more trust and treats Mordred far better than one should reasonably expect once all the context is taken into account.

(Meanwhile the Lancer variants only ever try to straight up kill Mordred or give her a poisonous Gift intended to slowly burn away her soul and banish her from living inside the city while still using her as a guard dog. I have no idea why fanart and such always has them as being nicer to Mordred.)
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Because Artie is protagonist, and after lived a bit as either Shirou and/ or Rin's spouse, they hoped (hoped) she had mellowed down. And Mort also ones of more likable, relatable characters in Apocrypha.

It's like having 2 people who individually quite nice person with you, but can't stand each other. Mama Archer would make great pacifier, though.

"Okay ladies, stop fighting OR WE SHALL HAVE NOTHING BUT MASHED POTATOES-"

"I AM NOT A GIRL-"

"MADE BY SIR KAY."

"-We're good."
 
RBomber said:
Because Artie is protagonist
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Xellos was talking about the Lancer variants of Artoria tho, and asking why they were portrayed as nice to Mordred in fanart when they are just as bad if not worse than Saber was in regard to how they treat Mordred. Saber post-VN doesn't really have to do with her alternate versions.
 
Xellos said:
(Meanwhile the Lancer variants only ever try to straight up kill Mordred or give her a poisonous Gift intended to slowly burn away her soul and banish her from living inside the city while still using her as a guard dog. I have no idea why fanart and such always has them as being nicer to Mordred.)
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The reason that lancer alter attacks us in London is because the demon mist causes her to go berserk, as for Camelot that lancer and the lancer we summon are completely different people. I think that the only real interactions we've had between Mordred and the lancers, in NA at least, was the go west event. Which if I'm remembering correctly was mostly a gag about nightingale being overbearing.
 
ranger_carn said:
The reason that lancer alter attacks us in London is because the demon mist causes her to go berserk, as for Camelot that lancer and the lancer we summon are completely different people. I think that the only real interactions we've had between Mordred and the lancers, in NA at least, was the go west event. Which if I'm remembering correctly was mostly a gag about nightingale being overbearing.
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The Go West event doesn't even use actual personalities of the characters. It's like the first GUDAGUDA event. They're using the characters we know but they're made into roles of other characters specifically for the event. You can't take that kind of event as meaning anything.

Lancer Alter has another anti-interaction with Mordred, when the London group is dealing with their section of Demon God Pillars. Somebody suggests maybe talking to Mordred as everything is finishing up. She doesn't give a shit and refuses. This and her Valentines event(no Mordred relation) is basically the most we get out of Lancer Alter ever, because in comparison to amount of appearances, she is quite possibly the least developed character in the Nasuverse. She has nothing. Even her own interlude is a giant nothingburger.

Goddess Rhongomyniad is supposed to be a near emotionless divine version of Lancer Artoria. She still gives Mordred the long term suicidal 'Gift' and expels her from the city out of pure spite. Summoned Lancer Artoria doesn't even get anything specific to Mordred in her My Room lines. They don't acknowledge her beyond "a knight" either. Which is the same courtesy OG Artoria gives her when they're both summoned.

They are just equivalent or worse to Mordred than OG Artoria. Every time. In every appearance. At least OG has stuff in Summer 1 with her(where it makes it clear she's trying but just doesn't grok Moe-san at all), and in backstory left Mordred in charge of Camelot when she went on the Rome expedition.
 
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Speaking of Mordred, I'm gonna borrow a joke to use for summonable!Mordred's reaction to her Camelot self:

"The hell am I looking at? Is that me? IS THAT ME STRONGER THAN ME?! I'LL FUCKING KILL ME!"
 
Sir Plusse said:
Thought of this a bit late, but... Considering what we've been shown, most of the work in actually defusing the Servant-induced incidents is actually being done by Ritsuka (even if it's just "call in Herc as an impromptu enforcer"); Kana, meanwhile, seems to either ignore problems that do not completely jeopardize Chaldea or encourage them to misbehave, which just stresses Ritsuka out even more.

Basically: Show, don't tell; if we don't see Kana defusing situations, we won't believe she's doing that. The "Ritsuka does all the work while Kana goofs off" comment has a point, in that we have never seen her do anything else when she's not in a Singularity. It doesn't help that she spends an unspecified percentage of her time trapped in the Gate of Babylon, and thus completely incapable of doing anything. In fact, as far as I'm aware, the ONLY time she's done the job you stated she performs was when Stheno was summoned, and that was solely because Ritsuka was rendered incapable of acting as a Master by his own Servant (who had, additionally, explicitly stated that she would not restore him purely due to her own ego). Beyond that, she seems to be more of an instigator.

She's gonna have to shape up outside the Singularities to shake off the "Kana is a liability" reputation, I feel. Of course, I might be going overboard (like I did with Kiyo and said I would with the Summer Servants if I let myself get started on them), and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm forgetting something, but I'm just telling it how I see it, and the way I see it is that it's time for Kana to be the butt of the "unruly Servants" running gag.
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I don't know. I mean, Gudako does basically exactly the same thing. And yes, sure, she gets dragged off into random Singularities and surprise parties and dream-kidnapped and whatnot, but it's not like she really does much to keep the Servants around.

She just... is who she is. And who she is, is someone heroes want to follow.
 
Despite her being a goof, I've never really gotten the impression that she's a liability. An instance of her acting serious at one point would be an interesting premise, but it's not really an issue- especially given the tone of the story.

I think her confidence is a bigger issue than her seriousness, tbh.
 
I finally made it all the way through. Well, I suppose that I am trash now...
Critian Caceorte said:
Counter-point: Jeanne was raised on a farm, and so has probably helped farm animals with giving birth, if not other people. So, she knows where children come from, but not how they are made.
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Counter-counter-point: One of the things that Jeanne was known for was chasing the prostitutes that followed her army away, up to hitting them with her sword and in one case apparently breaking it over the back of a prostitute. So she might well just act innocent and as if she does not know...

When in reality, she is something of a prude.
 
Harry Leferts said:
When in reality, she is something of a prude.
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also have bizarre desire to flood the world and make every one into her younger sibling ( no doubt stern from being the youngest in the family)

Jeann seem to be as wacky as any other Servant, it just seem that the Ruler Class restrain your internal shit
 
Z000 said:
Jeann seem to be as wacky as any other Servant, it just seem that the Ruler Class restrain your internal shit
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Godammit, Summer Event (JP) 2019...

Seriously, between the 'ONEE-SAN BEAMU!!' brainwashing and last year's 'My wish for the Grail would be to for another great flood', it's clear that non-Ruler!Jeanne is batshit insane.

At least as Ruler, the worst she does is cause no end of headaches by jumping to conclusions and making a mess out of, erm, 'delicate' situations? Lampshaded by Jalter on how many occasions, now?
 
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Harry Leferts said:
Counter-counter-point: One of the things that Jeanne was known for was chasing the prostitutes that followed her army away, up to hitting them with her sword and in one case apparently breaking it over the back of a prostitute. So she might well just act innocent and as if she does not know...
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According to actual reports from men who knew her, just being around her turned off their libido completely. Despite the fact that she was apparently a pretty girl, not one of these hardass knights had so much as a dirty thought in her presence. Jeanne may know all kinds of shit in theory, but if her cockblock aura is still active...
 
MadGreenSon said:
According to actual reports from men who knew her, just being around her turned off their libido completely. Despite the fact that she was apparently a pretty girl, not one of these hardass knights had so much as a dirty thought in her presence. Jeanne may know all kinds of shit in theory, but if her cockblock aura is still active...
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This makes Sieg's feat of "having Jeanne D'Arc fall in love with me" even more haxx!
 
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