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    • Red Bovine said:
    For the love of god can someone please just do a freaking tally? It's been hours already. I would but the program doesn't work on my compuer. Seriously @M3lk0r It wouldn't be hard to ask a person or two if you could PM them to see if they wouldn't mind giving a tally when needed.
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    Knight-Radiant said:
    Plan Aburg7

    Element
    [X] Soul
    [X] Weapon
    [x] Knowledge
    Origin
    [X] Valour
    [X] Warp
    [X] Future

    Votes: 1

    Plan Red Bovine

    [X] Weapon (more broad than the Sword element allowing him to trace other items easier if he gets to that point)
    [X] Knowledge (increases his rate of learning, this can be chosen as an addd on to any element)
    [X] Lightning (due to Magnus this will increase his talent in Biomancy as well as the smite abbility

    [X] Immaterial (will greatly enhance his Psychic powers and his Sorcerer ones as well)

    Votes: 1

    Plan Knight-Radiant

    [X] Weapon (more broad than the Sword element allowing him to trace other items easier if he gets to that point)
    [X] Knowledge (increases his rate of learning, this can be chosen as an addd on to any element)
    [X] Lightning (due to Magnus this will increase his talent in Biomancy as well as the smite abbility

    [X] Immaterial (will greatly enhance his Psychic powers and his Sorcerer ones as well)
    [X] Void
    [X] Endurance

    Votes: 3

    Plan Zaratustra

    [X] Tool (even broader than Weapon but the cost of Tracing will be slightly higher for all items)
    [X] Knowledge (increases his rate of learning, this can be chosen as an addd on to any element)
    [X] Lightning (due to Magnus this will increase his talent in Biomancy as well as the smite abbility)
    The downside of tools is a slight higher cost but considering we should have tons more power than canon we should be fine.

    [X] Immaterial (will greatly enhance his Psychic powers and his Sorcerer ones as well)
    [X] Warp (most likely will be able with enough effort and training help him mold reality to his whims)
    [X] Knowledge
    This sound like a very powerful and versatil combination, the first to helps with alot of powers, the second alows us to change reality and the third helps us to know what we are doing, specialy since the combo of element and origin should produce some realy interesting effects.

    Votes: 5

    Plan JAGA03

    [X] Tool (even broader than Weapon but the cost of Tracing will be slightly higher for all items)
    [X] Knowledge (increases his rate of learning, this can be chosen as an addd on to any element)
    [X] Blood, so he can manipulate the blood within people and himself and whisper in Rin's ear "Hey girl, I'm a Blood Magus"
    Origin (Pick one to three)
    [X] Knowledge
    [X] Warp (most likely will be able with enough effort and training help him mold reality to his whims)
    [X] Justice (will require Magnus and an event to make this happen)

    Votes: 1

    Plan souvikkundu

    Element (Pick two)
    [X] Knowledge (increases his rate of learning, this can be chosen as an added onto any element)
    [X]Understanding/Intuitive Perception(The ability to analyze and instantly comprehend anything perceived which can allow him to develop new powers or discover new ways to use his knowledge)
    [X] Tool (even broader than Weapon but the cost of Tracing will be slightly higher for all items)

    Origin (Pick one to three)
    [X] Immaterial (will greatly enhance his Psychic powers and his Sorcerer ones as well)
    [X] Warp (most likely will be able with enough effort and training help him mold reality to his whims)
    [X] Humanity(to have the potential to become embodiment of humanity aka Emperor)

    Votes: 1

    Plan burningclaw2

    [X] [Element] Knowledge
    [X] [Element] Warrior

    [X] [Origin] Hero
    [X] [Origin] Judge
    [X] [Origin] King

    Votes: 1

    Plan ShadowNic94

    Element (Pick two)
    [X] Lightning (due to Magnus this will increase his talent in Biomancy as well as the smite abbility
    [X] Weapon (more broad than the Sword element allowing him to trace other items easier if he gets to that point)
    [X] Knowledge (increases his rate of learning, this can be chosen as an addd on to any element)

    Origin (Pick one to three)
    [X] Knowledge
    [X] Immaterial (will greatly enhance his Psychic powers and his Sorcerer ones as well)
    [X] humanity(to have the potential to become embodiment of humanity aka Emperor)

    Votes: 1

    Plan: edmantgoog

    Element (Pick two)
    [X] Sword (canon)
    [X] Dosh
    [X] Sword
    [X] Valour
    [X] Hollow

    Votes: 1

    Sorry about taking so long, the program doesn't work on my work computer and this is the first chance I've had to go through the thread and count.
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    M3lk0r said:
    So the winners are
    Element
    [] Lightning (due to Magnus this will increase his talent in Biomancy as well as the smite ability
    [] Tool
    [] Knowledge
    Origin
    [] Knowledge
    [] Immaterial
    [] Warp
    Now we only need to agree on what they should have as effects
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    ...okay, you got me. What the heck does that mess add up to? :confused:
     
    M3lk0r said:
    Now we only need to agree on what they should have as effects
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    Full disclosure: this is based on my limited knowledge of Origins, Elements, and Incarnates, and the effects of them on personalities. So don't take this as the last word on things.

    Okay...so we have Knowledge as both an Element and Origin, which means that Shirou is an Incarnate of Knowledge. That means that not only will he be able to acquire knowledge more easily and potentially be able to develop greater abilities based on it (perhaps something akin to Sion's Etherlite?), but he'll also be defined by it quite a bit. Probably as an obsession with learning similar to Magnus. When that's combined with Immaterial and Warp it also means that it will not only be easier for Shirou to learn warp-based magic, but he'll probably have a subconscious urge to do so.

    Warp means that there's a fundamental part of Shirou connected to the Warp, so it should be easier for him to use its power but he'll also be more at risk from its negative effects.

    Immaterial means that Shirou will be able to connect with aspects of the world with that quality such as spirits and the like; it may even boost his ability to control Servants. At the same time it will probably give others a feeling that Shirou has this 'otherworldly' quality about him with that connection to the supernatural.

    Lightning and Tool mean that Shirou can pick up lightning-based magic as well as general Tracing better.

    ...I think that's how that'd all come together. Probably.

    Edit: Final note: Shirou having multiple Elements/Origins is not normal, but perfectly justifiable as Magnus' soul/power bleeding through into Shriou's body. That being said, if any other Magus finds out about this, they'd definitely freak out or want to start experimenting on him depending on how much of a sociopath they are.
     
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    Dr. Snark said:
    Full disclosure: this is based on my limited knowledge of Origins, Elements, and Incarnates, and the effects of them on personalities. So don't take this as the last word on things.

    Okay...so we have Knowledge as both an Element and Origin, which means that Shirou is an Incarnate of Knowledge. That means that not only will he be able to acquire knowledge more easily and potentially be able to develop greater abilities based on it (perhaps something akin to Sion's Etherlite?), but he'll also be defined by it quite a bit. Probably as an obsession with learning similar to Magnus. When that's combined with Immaterial and Warp it also means that it will not only be easier for Shirou to learn warp-based magic, but he'll probably have a subconscious urge to do so.

    Warp means that there's a fundamental part of Shirou connected to the Warp, so it should be easier for him to use its power but he'll also be more at risk from its negative effects.

    Immaterial means that Shirou will be able to connect with aspects of the world with that quality such as spirits and such; it may even boost his ability to control Servants. At the same time it will probably give others a feeling that Shirou has this 'otherworldly' quality about him with that connection to the supernatural.

    Lightning and Tool mean that Shirou can pick up lightning-based magic as well as general Tracing better.

    ...I think that's how that'd all come together. Probably.

    Edit: Final note: Shirou having multiple Elements/Origins is not normal, but perfectly justifiable as Magnus' soul/power bleeding through into Shriou's body. That being said, if any other Magus finds out about this, they'd definitely freak out or want to start experimenting on him depending on how much of a sociopath they are.
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    nice still it is open to discussion but that is a very good start
     
    Immaterial can also be stretched to things without physical form, like concepts such as love or knowledge.
     
    Okay... After some considerable though I think I've come up with something.

    Taking Kiritsugu's origin of Sever/Bind as an example when someone has a duel origin all the concepts are applied in the proper order...

    Example: Origin bullet, severs what it hits then binds it together but not perfectly.
    Lifestyle, Kiritsugu always cuts himself off from someone or something before binding himself to something else, His father, Natalia, the Einzberns, and eventually his dream of being a hero.

    So... If we apply that to Shirou's origin of Knowledge/Immaterial/Warp...

    Shirou will always seek more knowledge first before acting and will act on knowledge rather than instinct, his sensitivity to the Warp and his ability to conceptualize the immaterial will mean he will always be able to see more clearly then others (except maybe Magnus) but doesn't guarantee that he will know what to do with that knowledge.

    He will likely not care so much about material things (Including himself) verses the chance to learn more.

    He will always be able to figure out how to do something, but will struggle to figured out if he should do something.

    Combine that will his Element of tools and Lightning and he will probably be very good with tech, maybe capable of creating tools that can affect the Immaterial and the Warp as well as the physical world.

    He will be able to affect thing of a spiritual nature more easily and perhaps the more conceptual nature as well.

    Well... that's what I've come up with at least, what do the rest of you think?
     
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    Knight-Radiant said:
    Well... that's what I've come up with at least, what do the rest of you think?
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    Hmm...I think we're getting a good idea of what the effects of his Origin would be on his magic and how it would shape his personality, but I wonder how this affects Shirou's interactions with others. And naturally, that's the most difficult part...

    Okay, so let's theorize based on the logic in the last post. When talking to someone Shirou would probably want to either know a decent amount of information about the person beforehand, something which is easy for him between his own powers and Magnus' help. And whether it's through conversation or his magical abilities, he'd want to learn as much about the other person as possible. Given the whole 'knowledge' thing this would make him come across as inquisitive to a potentially unnerving degree especially if he starts talking about things that he really shouldn't know about normally.

    There would also probably be a bit of a disconnect with 'normal' people since they don't have as much of an immaterial presence. At the same time though he'd probably bond with anyone associated with the supernatural more easily, and be more interested in learning about them.

    Finally, this whole set of traits would make most Magi hate him, since he would want to learn more about the mysteries they have and he'd be able to figure them out by reading their minds. Again, much like Sion, now that I think about it...

    Does that seem legit? And more importantly, does it gel with everything said so far?
     
    Dr. Snark said:
    Hmm...I think we're getting a good idea of what the effects of his Origin would be on his magic and how it would shape his personality, but I wonder how this affects Shirou's interactions with others. And naturally, that's the most difficult part...

    Okay, so let's theorize based on the logic in the last post. When talking to someone Shirou would probably want to either know a decent amount of information about the person beforehand, something which is easy for him between his own powers and Magnus' help. And whether it's through conversation or his magical abilities, he'd want to learn as much about the other person as possible. Given the whole 'knowledge' thing this would make him come across as inquisitive to a potentially unnerving degree especially if he starts talking about things that he really shouldn't know about normally.

    There would also probably be a bit of a disconnect with 'normal' people since they don't have as much of an immaterial presence. At the same time though he'd probably bond with anyone associated with the supernatural more easily, and be more interested in learning about them.

    Finally, this whole set of traits would make most Magi hate him, since he would want to learn more about the mysteries they have and he'd be able to figure them out by reading their minds. Again, much like Sion, now that I think about it...

    Does that seem legit? And more importantly, does it gel with everything said so far?
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    Sounds right so far, at least it does to me.

    Also does it seem like Sion sounds like the best Waifu for this Shirou or what? Rin's gonna kill him :lol
     
    Well...I wish I could offer some insight (might try soon) but at least Void didn't win...that would not have been good at all for an origin.

    Give me a second to type my thoughts out
     
    Dr. Snark said:
    Hmm...I think we're getting a good idea of what the effects of his Origin would be on his magic and how it would shape his personality, but I wonder how this affects Shirou's interactions with others. And naturally, that's the most difficult part...

    Okay, so let's theorize based on the logic in the last post. When talking to someone Shirou would probably want to either know a decent amount of information about the person beforehand, something which is easy for him between his own powers and Magnus' help. And whether it's through conversation or his magical abilities, he'd want to learn as much about the other person as possible. Given the whole 'knowledge' thing this would make him come across as inquisitive to a potentially unnerving degree especially if he starts talking about things that he really shouldn't know about normally.

    There would also probably be a bit of a disconnect with 'normal' people since they don't have as much of an immaterial presence. At the same time though he'd probably bond with anyone associated with the supernatural more easily, and be more interested in learning about them.

    Finally, this whole set of traits would make most Magi hate him, since he would want to learn more about the mysteries they have and he'd be able to figure them out by reading their minds. Again, much like Sion, now that I think about it...

    Does that seem legit? And more importantly, does it gel with everything said so far?
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    I was more thinking of his gaining Knowledge about people being something more passive for that ability, like learning more about others jut by talking to them, Like he is doing it subconsciously, surprising himself at time on thing he knows
     
    Take what I say with a pinch of salt, I'm no expert and merely making a stab at this. My post will deal with the effect on his power more then anything else.

    Lightning
    Tool
    Knowledge

    With a combination of elements like this...Shirou would lean towards being someone who would have an affinity to electricity magecraft and incorporate it easily in other mysterious (literal or symbolically). But knowledge and tool together also leans towards craft that deals with UNDERSTANDING things (or people) work, and tool for physical objects that he can use as a 'tool'.

    Overall...I know his tracing will not only be more useful (in terms of what he could make),if more expensive. Though knowing more about something doesn't equal sympathy, let me know if I'm wrong, but isn't his tracing ability banks on his "understanding" of an item? Does it mean literal knowledge or the ability to sympathize with it...
    Origin
    Knowledge
    Immaterial
    Warp

    This I feel a bit better at talking about. Now as an incarnation of knowledge he would be a savant at spells like 'Structural Analysis' even more than he was in canon. But on the other hand as an Incarnation, he would be limited to those type of spell, but with his multiple origins, he isn't as limited in theory. Then, of course, the issue is that he can learn incredibly easy but Knowledge doesn't equal understanding or wisdom. To know doesn't mean you understand what you know.

    Warp...well it's kinda self-explanatory. Shirou will find his warp abilities more powerful and mage craft that "warps" something...like space for example. Powers that deal with changing something into something else will likely be easy for him (again mage craft wise).

    Immaterial; Hm...i feel with this he would have an easy time with more...conceptual magics, Like the Emiya's time accel for example. Spirits and demons would also technically fall under this along with the Astral if I'm not wrong. It's less flashy (mostly) but powerful...if difficult to actually use.

    Anyway those are my thoughts; feel free to agree, disagree or debate on it :)
     
    Aburg7 said:
    I was more thinking of his gaining Knowledge about people being something more passive for that ability, like learning more about others jut by talking to them, Like he is doing it subconsciously, surprising himself at time on thing he knows
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    Well with Magnus around he's got a guide to other people in his head...though not the most unbiased one by any stretch.

    The thing is that he's got Knowledge as both an Origin and an Element. With that combination present I'd expect that knowledge in general would be a big driving force for him.
     
    What he will even do with his Reality Marble? UBW was useful, but if he gets one what could be there?

    Unless it is filled to the brim with Astartes it would be quite useless to summon the plains and wastelands of his mindscape.
     
    ryuan said:
    What he will even do with his Reality Marble? UBW was useful, but if he gets one what could be there?

    Unless it is filled to the brim with Astartes it would be quite useless to summon the plains and wastelands of his mindscape.
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    The place that Magnus calls Shirou's mindscape is his soul, his inner world, what actually needs to be done is for everyone to find a way to manage to project that over Gaia, Also it will not be filled to the brim with Astartes, I am quite sure it will be filled with many things and will be useful for more than just combat
     
    Say like Magnus is in there remember, and while he is in there he will suffer no penalties to his usage of powers, or something like that as just one of the effects. that I can think of off the top of my head, also the entire point of the mindscape choices is so that Shirou can fill it
     
    M3lk0r said:
    Say like Magnus is in there remember, and while he is in there he will suffer no penalties to his usage of powers, or something like that as just one of the effects. that I can think of off the top of my head, also the entire point of the mindscape choices is so that Shirou can fill it
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    Hm...that is true, and can't Magnus eventually help us in our spell/warp usage?

    and summoning the mindscape...would also allow Magnus to fight with us if you want a combative usage.
     
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