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Exploding Canon (Worm SI)

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I think oni lee is too usefull to be blown up. He is the perfect bomb delivery for bakuda. And now that coil is out he's going for either revenge or continue to abduct dinah, one way i can think of preventing her falling to coils hand is to kidnap her yourself, plus she is a relative of the mayor so there is that
 
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Akasha said:
Clearly he had undergone a 9mm brain operation due to Contessa shenanigans.
Yeah, I don't know how that would work, either.
I just can't see any other way for someone to remove a tinker-tech bomb placed inside their very brain, on their own, with no advanced/precise tools, and with the only superpower in their grasp being the ability to split timelines.

Even if your skull hasn't been sealed, if you actually think you can just grab it, open it, grab the tinker-tech bomb and pull it out of your own brain with absolutely no help, technology or a professional and experienced surgeon directing you, even if you were to keep loading the Quick Save every time you fail, it'd take you a long, long time to get it so perfectly and precisely that no further damage is done.

Either that, or Coil got a second-trigger and got a PtV expie.
Which is even worse.
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Who says no further damage was done? I don't see why you're placing this as an issue with the scenario. What, do you think animals don't chew off their own legs to escape bear traps, either? When your options are "Probable brain damage" or "Definite death", a little brain damage is a perfectly acceptable outcome.

For a scene that was written incredibly vaguely, you seem to have very precise expectations of the implications of a tinkertech bomb being surgically installed into someone's head. I don't recall providing any indication that this operation was done competently (In fact, SI me describes it as "amateur tinker surgery"), and the bomb in question was originally designed for an entirely different purpose -it's not a custom-built Brain Bomb. You seem to be placing bizarrely high expectations upon SI me's competency here. I'm flattered, but puzzled.

A "long long time" isn't exactly an unreasonable amount of time if you've got two days to work with and literally no reason to go to sleep prior to success. (Because why sleep when you could die any second?)

Like Calvert did.

argent said:
I like the fact that you have your SI make a few mistakes and not be perfect. It makes the story more believable and fun to read.
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I'm glad to hear it. A big part of the motive behind Exploding Canon is avoiding a lot of things in SI fics that damage the story, and "never makes a mistake/never makes a mistake that matters" is way up there in the list of things I think hurts many SI fics, so getting appreciation for the effort is wonderful.

Even with Coil escaping he isn't going to be 100 percent anytime soon. Coil just had his head opened up and a bomb put in it. Then he had to yank it out to escape. It's not like he can go to the PRT because he would need a MRI and that would out him as a cape to the wrong people. Even if Coil played it off as triggering during the kidnapping it would forever stop him from becoming a PRT director. He also can't go to Panacea publicly as Calvert because that would involve the PRT and most likely out him as a cape too. So he is going to have to lay low for a while till his head heals some. This just may cause him to have to abandon his civilian id if he doesn't want to out himself as a cape unless he dose some fast talking. One thing is that Coil is going to try and kill every single member of the ABB now.
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He does have his own crew of people, including apparently access to a Very Secure Cape Doctor, so he can probably get treatment without some of the problems you're describing, but otherwise you make very good points.

Dalradia said:
I think oni lee is too usefull to be blown up. He is the perfect bomb delivery for bakuda. And now that coil is out he's going for either revenge or continue to abduct dinah, one way i can think of preventing her falling to coils hand is to kidnap her yourself, plus she is a relative of the mayor so there is that
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He already got to Dinah.
 
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Ghoul King said:
Plus, he's operating on a range leash. Escaping would kill him, if he didn't get the bomb out. That was covered in 1.5. Ergo, if he's escaped without dying, the most likely scenario is that he got the bomb out.
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Well, plan B is a go.

Find his base, drop a Thermobaric bomb inside it, shoot anyone who escapes.

And finding it'll be easy. Detonate some bombs, use the shockwaves to triangulate his location...
 
Really he wouldn't be able to have it removed? Dudes got literally an infinite number of chances to attempt brain surgery on himself till he gets it right without killing himself.
 
Running Bear said:
Really he wouldn't be able to have it removed?
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First he has to get away from his captors, and get a phone.

THEN he has to call in a brain surgeon, which is really rare, especially as he needs one who is good and willing to poke into a man's head that is loaded with HE.

All without clearing the fail deadly range of the bomb. Because you do not want to risk that.
 
Night_stalker said:
First he has to get away from his captors, and get a phone.

THEN he has to call in a brain surgeon, which is really rare, especially as he needs one who is good and willing to poke into a man's head that is loaded with HE.

All without clearing the fail deadly range of the bomb. Because you do not want to risk that.
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He can just create split timelines and bash his head into the wall till he can reach inside and pull it out himself why would he need a brain surgeon? This is something he could have done with literally no tools while captive. With infinite tries at doing it he's eventually going to get it right without the brain damage/death then he just needs to call up some underworld connection to fix him up like Uber & Leet or something to fix him up.
 
Night_stalker said:
First he has to get away from his captors, and get a phone.

THEN he has to call in a brain surgeon, which is really rare, especially as he needs one who is good and willing to poke into a man's head that is loaded with HE.

All without clearing the fail deadly range of the bomb. Because you do not want to risk that.
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:facepalm:

You don't need an expert. You just need a success. Coil's power lets him do amateur self-brain-surgery as many times as it takes to pull it off.

No degree or training needed.

I reeeeaaallly don't see why you're assuming he needs to call an actual brain surgeon. Like, sure, if he wasn't Coil, he'd have to do something like that, realistically speaking, but seeing as he is Coil, he can just go "Well, let's try this.

Oops, that killed me.

Well, let's try this other thing.

Nope, still killed me.

How about..."

and the one time it actually works, he keeps that result.

Coil's power lets him roll a d1000 that kills him on any number other than a 1, and always get the 1, because the time he got a 1 is the one he actually keeps. It's just a question of how long he sits around, apparently doing nothing, before he finally walks up and rolls the die and gets the 1, as far as anyone else is concerned.

Night_stalker said:
Well, plan B is a go.

Find his base, drop a Thermobaric bomb inside it, shoot anyone who escapes.

And finding it'll be easy. Detonate some bombs, use the shockwaves to triangulate his location...
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You seem a bit eager to murder Dinah.
 
Running Bear said:
Really he wouldn't be able to have it removed? Dudes got literally an infinite number of chances to attempt brain surgery on himself till he gets it right without killing himself.
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Not really. He splits the time line. Time advances equally in both. So when he splits time to do the brain surgery and dies, he collapses the time line into the one where he didn't do the surgery, but time has still passed in that timeline. Depending on how long he's taking to cut out the bomb, he could have anything from a couple hundred to a couple thousand tries at it. So a lot, but not infinite.
 
CatScannerDarkly said:
Not really. He splits the time line. Time advances equally in both. So when he splits time to do the brain surgery and dies, he collapses the time line into the one where he didn't do the surgery, but time has still passed in that timeline. Depending on how long he's taking to cut out the bomb, he could have anything from a couple hundred to a couple thousand tries at it. So a lot, but not infinite.
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I know I just figured it sounded a lot better than saying "a shit ton" :rolleyes:
 
Ghoul King said:
Coil's power lets him roll a d1000 that kills him on any number other than a 1, and always get the 1, because the time he got a 1 is the one he actually keeps. It's just a question of how long he sits around, apparently doing nothing, before he finally walks up and rolls the die and gets the 1, as far as anyone else is concerned.
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Well no, because Coil can only model things he actually knows how to do. He's rolling a d1000 trying to get a 1 but he automatically adds +100 to every roll because he doesn't know how into surgery on his own skull.
 
argent said:
I like the fact that you have your SI make a few mistakes and not be perfect. It makes the story more believable and fun to read.

Even with Coil escaping he isn't going to be 100 percent anytime soon. Coil just had his head opened up and a bomb put in it. Then he had to yank it out to escape. It's not like he can go to the PRT because he would need a MRI and that would out him as a cape to the wrong people. Even if Coil played it off as triggering during the kidnapping it would forever stop him from becoming a PRT director. He also can't go to Panacea publicly as Calvert because that would involve the PRT and most likely out him as a cape too. So he is going to have to lay low for a while till his head heals some. This just may cause him to have to abandon his civilian id if he doesn't want to out himself as a cape unless he dose some fast talking. One thing is that Coil is going to try and kill every single member of the ABB now.
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This was just so predictable though. She made sure to leave him out of sight for a long time, and tell him exactly what her precautions were, and that is on top of even keeping him alive in the first place. It's freaking coil, cmon. You could have had him escape in a cool way (trickster?) despite sane precautions.
 
Spectrum said:
Well no, because Coil can only model things he actually knows how to do. He's rolling a d1000 trying to get a 1 but he automatically adds +100 to every roll because he doesn't know how into surgery on his own skull.
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Fortunately for him, fear of exploding violently is a great incentive to learn and if surgeon simulator has taught me anything, it's that you don't really need to know what's going on, if you try a task 1000 times, you're going to get better every time.

Hell, Calvert could probably get a PHD in "Removing a hastily and amateurly placed tinkertech bomb from your own head".
 
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Rmnimoc said:
Fortunately for him, fear of exploding violently is a great incentive to learn and if surgeon simulator has taught me anything, it's that you don't really need to know what's going on, if you try a task 1000 times, you're going to get better every time.

Hell, Calvert could probably get a PHD in "Removing a hastily and amateurly placed tinkertech bomb from your own head".
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Sad thing is, in Wormverse, that might be an actual course at some point.
 
A pleasure to see this update!

It seems that SI!Bakuda is actually very uncertain as to what exactly she plans to do, and finds it easier (and still useful) to herself tinkering in the workshop. I'll second the notion that this, in addition to a couple of dumbass moves on her part, makes the story that much more "real" and interesting to read.

Interestingly, it looks like Bakuda will probably find it more expedient to keep the ABB intact - it's the largest organization she can hope to have as major a position as she currently has, and it provides her resources and personnel to leverage towards killing Scion. Plus, there's the capes: Oni Lee is super-useful for bomb delivery and task execution, and Lung...

Could SI!Bakuda convince Lung to seek a rematch with Leviathan (assuming he is going to hit Brockton Bay in the absence of a tinkertech bombing spree)? She might actually have to try attacking his pride to do so, which got her killed in Canon albeit under circumstances where she was much less useful to the dragon.
 
SI!Bakuda should make a Dioxygen difluoride suicide vest for Oni Lee a let him stalk Coil.
 
Dark0w1 said:
SI!Bakuda should make a Dioxygen difluoride suicide vest for Oni Lee a let him stalk Coil.
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We really need a "screams in/externally" tag.

Anyways, it might be good for wanton destruction, but I suspect it would be far too messy and volatile for most purposes. On a battlefield, it would be as likely to harm ABB members as the opposition. Plus, it's toxic as hell. The tinkertech stuff - time stops, molecular disintegration, etc - is easier to control and less likely to blow up on a whim.
 
Mechasaurian said:
Anyways, it might be good for wanton destruction, but I suspect it would be far too messy and volatile for most purposes. On a battlefield, it would be as likely to harm ABB members as the opposition. Plus, it's toxic as hell. The tinkertech stuff - time stops, molecular disintegration, etc - is easier to control and less likely to blow up on a whim.
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You say it like it is a bad thing.
 
Dark0w1 said:
You say it like it is a bad thing.
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Dioxygen Doflouride messily reacts with more or less anything and everything it can get its grubby mitts on, and has a ridiculously high energy yield. Even if that can be bypassed with tinkertech shenanigans, I struggle to think of what it could be useful for that a more sensible tinkertech bomb could do better, more efficiently, and more safely for our lovable mad bomber.

It really is best for everyone involved if Bakuda sticks with the technology provided by the mind-altering space worms out to destroy humanity.
 
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Mechasaurian said:
Dioxygen Doflouride messily reacts with more or less anything and everything it can get its grubby mitts on, and has a ridiculously high energy yield. Even if that can be bypassed with tinkertech shenanigans, I struggle to think of what it could be useful for that a more sensible tinkertech bomb could do better, more efficiently, and more safely for our lovable mad bomber.

It really is best for everyone involved if Bakuda sticks with the technology provided by the mind-controlling space worms out to destroy humanity.
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She can create temporal bombs so maybe she could incase Dioxygen Doflouride in a time stasis. Flaming Explosions FTW! Just imagine the smell of Barbecue in the morning like it was made by Micheal Bay.
 
Dark0w1 said:
She can create temporal bombs so maybe she could incase Dioxygen Doflouride in a time stasis. Flaming Explosions FTW! Just imagine the smell of Barbecue in the morning like it was made by Micheal Bay.
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If she's out to destroy something, the molecular disintegration bombs will do the trick much more thoroughly, efficiently, and with less risk involved.
 
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