[Exalted, ?] Most High

Are we be going to be getting an updated character sheet any time soon?

The last one was only like a week ago?

A Salient point!

Sorcery has excellent long-term applications, but we still need to get our house in order first. If we absolutely need a Working done this second, we can always call in our Ayala Favor.

Ayala can't do Solar Circle Workings without taking around a year's time, though. That rules out all of the best effects, pretty much. Also, she wouldn't consent to do a Solar Circle Working for you without a huge and guaranteed favor.

2. Solar Tyrant that ruled city where Anys was growing was Odyssial which would explain utter hatred for Solars if she experienced most terrible of exalts.

Nope!
 
Ayala can't do Solar Circle Workings without taking around a year's time, though. That rules out all of the best effects, pretty much. Also, she wouldn't consent to do a Solar Circle Working for you without a huge and guaranteed favor.

Doesn't need to be Solar Circle! But it's an option if we need a Working done within the next few weeks.
 
Since anys is an infernal does that mean she gets infernal version of sidereal charms or does she get some extra infernal solar charms

What about a write in can use that to rebuild the legion to full strength
 
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
-[X] Bankrupt


Not gonna win but let me dream.
 
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@Rihaku, Can training be taken more than once?

Assuming we can't take training twice I vote for this:

Plan Hero King

[X] Consolidate Power

[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
-[X] Bankrupt


[X] Training [-2 Stress]



Reasoning:

Training is basically a free action, since it reduces stress by as much as an extra action costs. Plus self improvement is never a bad call, especially when we're waiting for the other shoe to drop with regards to Anys Syn's little vacation to hell. Be prepared, is just as good advice for Uly as it is for the Boy Scouts, and training is the best way to do that.

Govern makes our nation more prosperous is lets us work towards our intimacy towards our people, and improves our power base and resources in the long term. What's the point of having a Satrapy if you aren't going to make the most of it? Only taking it once to avoid extra stress. Also will make a lot of our friends and Allies, like Lilly, Moon, and Saery, happier due to our improving the lives of our subjects. plus we get that warm fuzzy feeling from helping people.

Consolidation improves the loyalty of the province, and eliminates the corruption, spies, and traitors from our government. This makes our position stronger, and has good synergy with Govern, on makes the Satrapy stronger, the other makes it less likely to be subverted by the Realm. I know it suggests a possibility of a "safe" Limit Break, but I've decided not to go with that for two reasons. First, because I severely doubt it will be as safe as you might think. It just seems far to simple and perfect to be true, and both Rihaku and Exalted in general are big on unintended consequence biting the protagonist in the butt, so even if it is more focused I'm sure there will be some downside that's a logical result of the action without being mention in the description. Second, because I can't get 11 stress and keep training, and just being close to a break is just asking for a surprise freak out at the worst possible moment. And at the end of the day prefer a half-full limit meter and being more prepared for Syn, than an empty track and no preparation.

I didn't take the sorcery vote because I don't value it that highly, it takes a lot of actions to get the most out of it (three for UtC,and one more for Thaumaturgy to qualify for the Solar Circle), and I'm a little wary of the drawbacks. I really don't think we should be taking actions that reduce the loyalty of our province, if anything, I think this is when we should be building their loyalty up. I'm not sure exactly sure why Pan dislikes sorcery, but the loyalty of the local gods is a fair bit lower than that of the mortals, what with the less than perfect ritual, the diverted prayer, and the loss of respect from not killing the corrupt bureaucrats. I'm worried we're already at dangerously low loyalty with the spirits, and upsetting their nominal leader the City Father, at best will make our efforts in Luseng go less smoothly, at worst will have a bunch of minor disasters undermining our efforts. With Syn on the horizon, I don't think we can afford that right now. Finally, using anything past terrestrial level risks exposing us as Anathema, which isn't something I want to take a chance until we've built up the loyalty in our Satrapy and gotten a few more allies and resources to back us up at minimum. If we play it safe, and stick to the Terrestrial circle it won't really be enough of a benefit to justify all the costs.

So, in summary, my gives a net-zero stress gain, increase the loyalty and prosperity of Luseng, giving us a stronger powerbase, and helps us become stronger in preparation for Anys' inevitable attack.
 
@Rihaku, Can training be taken more than once?

Assuming we can't take training twice I vote for this:

Plan Hero King

[X] Consolidate Power

[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
-[X] Bankrupt


[X] Training [-2 Stress]



Reasoning:

Training is basically a free action, since it reduces stress by as much as an extra action costs. Plus self improvement is never a bad call, especially when we're waiting for the other shoe to drop with regards to Anys Syn's little vacation to hell. Be prepared, is just as good advice for Uly as it is for the Boy Scouts, and training is the best way to do that.

Govern makes our nation more prosperous is lets us work towards our intimacy towards our people, and improves our power base and resources in the long term. What's the point of having a Satrapy if you aren't going to make the most of it? Only taking it once to avoid extra stress. Also will make a lot of our friends and Allies, like Lilly, Moon, and Saery, happier due to our improving the lives of our subjects. plus we get that warm fuzzy feeling from helping people.

Consolidation improves the loyalty of the province, and eliminates the corruption, spies, and traitors from our government. This makes our position stronger, and has good synergy with Govern, on makes the Satrapy stronger, the other makes it less likely to be subverted by the Realm. I know it suggests a possibility of a "safe" Limit Break, but I've decided not to go with that for two reasons. First, because I severely doubt it will be as safe as you might think. It just seems far to simple and perfect to be true, and both Rihaku and Exalted in general are big on unintended consequence biting the protagonist in the butt, so even if it is more focused I'm sure there will be some downside that's a logical result of the action without being mention in the description. Second, because I can't get 11 stress and keep training, and just being close to a break is just asking for a surprise freak out at the worst possible moment. And at the end of the day prefer a half-full limit meter and being more prepared for Syn, than an empty track and no preparation.

I didn't take the sorcery vote because I don't value it that highly, it takes a lot of actions to get the most out of it (three for UtC,and one more for Thaumaturgy to qualify for the Solar Circle), and I'm a little wary of the drawbacks. I really don't think we should be taking actions that reduce the loyalty of our province, if anything, I think this is when we should be building their loyalty up. I'm not sure exactly sure why Pan dislikes sorcery, but the loyalty of the local gods is a fair bit lower than that of the mortals, what with the less than perfect ritual, the diverted prayer, and the loss of respect from not killing the corrupt bureaucrats. I'm worried we're already at dangerously low loyalty with the spirits, and upsetting their nominal leader the City Father, at best will make our efforts in Luseng go less smoothly, at worst will have a bunch of minor disasters undermining our efforts. With Syn on the horizon, I don't think we can afford that right now. Finally, using anything past terrestrial level risks exposing us as Anathema, which isn't something I want to take a chance until we've built up the loyalty in our Satrapy and gotten a few more allies and resources to back us up at minimum. If we play it safe, and stick to the Terrestrial circle it won't really be enough of a benefit to justify all the costs.

So, in summary, my gives a net-zero stress gain, increase the loyalty and prosperity of Luseng, giving us a stronger powerbase, and helps us become stronger in preparation for Anys' inevitable attack.

We WANT more stress so we can get the Limit break over and done with NOW instead of when Moon and Nilul are around
 
Shining Metropolis-wise, you won't make much progress without Govern Wisely, Govern Well! This'll be yet another month of "King Sesus sets himself up in his palace and does esoteric shit" - you're starting to develop a bit of a reputation! Plus, Moon hardly needs Sorcerous augmentation to be relevant. She's still a Exalt, and a Shogun line Terrestrial to boot! Her air-related utility effects alone are extremely useful, to say nothing of her stealth, lore, or combat power. She's also a great administrator and bureaucrat.
 
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power

[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Training [-2 Stress]

Let's safely discharge the Limit Break on our viziers, so the +2 Stress gained by this plan isn't such a big deal. Then we work to improve the city: both Govern and Explorations does this: govern directly and Exploration by finding useful thaumaturgies.
And then Training is essentially a free action, so let's do it.
 
So, in summary, my gives a net-zero stress gain, increase the loyalty and prosperity of Luseng, giving us a stronger powerbase, and helps us become stronger in preparation for Anys' inevitable attack.
You're honestly not wrong in saying that the "controlled" limit break will likely still suck. But this way we know when and where it's going to happen, and we won't risk harming our friends during it.
With the anathema issue for sorcery, I don't think there's anything overtly different about first and second circle spells, except for power. As long as we don't do anything publicly so over the top like say, summon Liger or smite a city we'll be able to get some serious benefits.
 
Btw, Stress isn't 1:1 to Limit. Your Limit Track does not go down by reducing your Stress; it just doesn't go up. So if you already have high Limit (you don't know how much you exactly have, just that it's high), lowering Stress may not necessarily save you - that's why everyone is going Full Stress this vote.

I would seriously consider Govern Wisely, Govern Well, though. At even 3x (nevermind 5x, which would be insanely strong), the bonuses to city administration, mood, economy, etc are spectacular, especially in conjunction with Bankrupt. It'd rectify your financial situation within the month rather than relying on a months-long boot up to obscene physical wealth, and there's little point in Sorcerously augmented populace when they're not steadfastly loyal to you...

If you roll well on Thaumaturgic, get Govern Well x3, and get Consolidate Power, that is a really strong foundation for the Shining Metropolis, rather than making almost no progress as taking Upon the Crown would. Do you not have a duty to your people to rule? What would your friends think if you neglect your populace to this degree, and the only public actions you make are merciless? Don't forget that your city is 20x overcrowded - managing such a situation without rampant discontent, theft, and death requires superhuman administrative skill, skill best expressed through a Solar-level dicepool and with FSSA to help you.

Plus, stunting can vastly improve Govern Well, whereas it can only mitigate the consequences of Upon the Crown.

Finally, using anything past terrestrial level risks exposing us as Anathema, which isn't something I want to take a chance until we've built up the loyalty in our Satrapy and gotten a few more allies and resources to back us up at minimum. If we play it safe, and stick to the Terrestrial circle it won't really be enough of a benefit to justify all the costs.

Indeed, you guys will need major stunting for Sorcery, especially if you want to justify your extremely overpowered obviously Sorcerous effects, like Time Dilation or Major Spirit Generation!
 
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Upon the Crown


So, this seems like a far better deal that people are making it seem like.
After the first two actions, we'd be locking ourselves into our room and be emo learn sorcery. Limit break while locked in our room would offset a lot of the potential fall out. No one is going to care what the Satrap is doing in his room, especially if nothing is burning down.
 
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well x3
-[X] Bankrupt
 
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You're honestly not wrong in saying that the "controlled" limit break will likely still suck. But this way we know when and where it's going to happen, and we won't risk harming our friends during it.

Hey, Ulyssian's Limit Breaks are awesome, they don't suck! You guys should really be taking this opportunity to channel his Limit Break in the most productive way - that is, not taking Consolidate Power. His Limit Break would basically act as an uber force multiplier on Upon the Crown or Governing Well! To some extent, anyway.

With the anathema issue for sorcery, I don't think there's anything overtly different about first and second circle spells, except for power. As long as we don't do anything publicly so over the top like say, summon Liger or smite a city we'll be able to get some serious benefits.

Terrestrial Sorcerers can't complete Celestial Circle Workings in less than ~6 months, even at the peak of Solar skill. And there is a huge gap in power between Terrestrial and Celestial Workings. It's a fairly difficult problem to solve! How will you employ Sorcery, when you can't even openly use it?
 
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Upon the Crown


So, this seems like a far better deal that people are making it seem like.
After the first two actions, we'd be locking ourselves into our room and be emo learn sorcery. Limit break while locked in our room would offset a lot of the potential fall out. No one is going to care what the Satrap is doing in his room, especially if nothing is burning down.

You're only going to be locked in your room most of the time. It only takes fifteen minutes outside to do... well, almost anything to the city!
 
We WANT more stress so we can get the Limit break over and done with NOW instead of when Moon and Nilul are around
And I disagree. Once Moon and Nilul are here we'll have the extra breathing room and support to start taking some limit reducing actions to avoid the problem altogether. I might be persuade to change my mind, but right now I think we're better of sowing down a bit and reducing limit once our friends get here, rather than deliberately Limit Breaking and risking gutting our government or exposing ourselves. Besides I really think we need to put some focus on training so Anys doesn't blindside us, and we can't train and have enough stress to cause a break.

You're honestly not wrong in saying that the "controlled" limit break will likely still suck. But this way we know when and where it's going to happen, and we won't risk harming our friends during it.
With the anathema issue for sorcery, I don't think there's anything overtly different about first and second circle spells, except for power. As long as we don't do anything publicly so over the top like say, summon Liger or smite a city we'll be able to get some serious benefits.
Maybe, but to be honest the risk of exposure was a secondary concern, it's an issue, but it isn't a deciding factor for me. My big worry is the loss in loyalty from our subjects and especially Uncle Pan. We've taken a lot of hits with the Gods since we got here, and I'm worried alienating the City Father might result in a lot of the local spirits deciding to be difficult. They might generally be a lot less powerful than Exalts, but they can still cause a lot of problems within their purview, and if a bunch of them act up at close to the same time, it'll take a lot of time and attention getting back in line so we can run our kingdom. Time that, when combined with the loyalty drop, could be used to undermine our authority.

I'm not oppose to sorcery in principal, I just really think we should wait until our situation is more stable before pursuing it.
 
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Vote tally:
##### 3.21

[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Upon the Crown
No. of votes: 19

Savonarola, meianmaru, Kurowari, Orm Embar, Van Ropen, SirLagginton, LordOfMurder, nairit, veekie, sithmor, Diller, Cavalier, Usernames, arrepio, VanusDraco, Mishco, gigantisrex, aja318, skaro

[x] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well x3
-[X] Bankrupt
your personal reserve to allow for intermittent use of Prophecies. Greatly enhances the effectiveness of this option, especially if taken 3 or more times.
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
No. of votes: 8

dragon, Vitaris, Anasurimbor, Alectai, Jorlem, Random Asian Person, Neptune, 1986ctcel

[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Training[-2 Stress]
No. of votes: 2

Elero, trekbook

[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Upon the Crown
[X] Training[-2 Stress]
No. of votes: 1

Thomasfoolery

[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
-[X] Bankrupt
No. of votes: 1

DOOMPOTATO

[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
-[X] Bankrupt
[X] Training[-2 Stress]

No. of votes: 1

a11behringer
 
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