[Exalted, ?] Most High

Snip vote

Is it greedy? yeah probably. We have stealth 5 and awareness 5 on top of Dex 5 and Perception 5. Buy a charm of two dedicated to dodge/stealth whatever basically assures no one in the story is going to be able to notice us doing any sorcery higher then terrestrial. Seriously if we haven't noticed anyone actually spying on us yet I doubt we will. We have maxed out stats after all and have been in Luseng for about a year now?

If we are actually as infiltrated as this supposes then we are already screwed given they would have followed us to the duel and seen us not kill a anathema when we could have easily. Also Uncle can do what he wants, we are already giving him everything he wants with this super city dedicated to his worship and all. He doesn't like us after we have more then proven to be worthwhile as an ally then we might as well get rid of him and get someone else in place. What would be funny I think is Consolidate Power getting rid of Uncle Pan because we find out he is spying on us so we fabricate evidence where in he is also supply information on the city to the fae or something equally ridiculous but also equally unassailable given all the proof.
 
Last edited:
Once she gets Solar Circle Sorcery, she can do Solar Workings in a month - two, just like you.

Celestial Circle Sorcerers can perform Solar Sorcery, it's just that their interval is three months instead of one week. So it takes twelve times longer.

The best benefits. Sorry forgot to add a word.

Also we need to give her a huge and guaranteed favor in exchange for a Solar working. Something that people might not like.

Ayala can't do Solar Circle Workings without taking around a year's time, though. That rules out all of the best effects, pretty much. Also, she wouldn't consent to do a Solar Circle Working for you without a huge and guaranteed favor.

Not to mention how she won't be a solar circle Sorceror for a few months so we still have to wait before we can even think about asking her for a working.
 
Is it greedy? yeah probably. We have stealth 5 and awareness 5 on top of Dex 5 and Perception 5. Buy a charm of two dedicated to dodge/stealth whatever basically assures no one in the story is going to be able to notice us doing any sorcery higher then terrestrial.

Uh, it doesn't matter if no one sees you casting it, what matters is that the result will be incredibly obvious as Above Terrestrial Level Sorcery. If you don't want to take credit for it, that's fine I guess, but then people will wonder what Incredibly Powerful Anathema Sorcerer is buffing Luseng with a Temporal Dilation Sphere or creating godlike entities to administer and protect Luseng. Also, you'll have nothing to show for your period of isolation.

Seriously if we haven't noticed anyone actually spying on us yet I doubt we will. We have maxed out stats after all and have been in Luseng for about a year now?

You've been in Luseng for two months, give or take.
 
Seriously if we haven't noticed anyone actually spying on us
but we did. we noticed the 5 immaculate that were assigned to us were spying on us and being unhelpful pricks and then we killed the 5 of them during our seeds altercation.
And we now have a whole list of traitorous visirs whom we know are working for and with our enemies within the realm to undermine us. Such work surely includes spying on us as well.
 
but we did. we noticed the 5 immaculate that were assigned to us were spying on us and being unhelpful pricks and then we killed the 5 of them during our seeds altercation.
And we now have a whole list of traitorous visirs whom we know are working for and with our enemies within the realm to undermine us. Such work surely includes spying on us as well.

:rolleyes:
 
Uh, it doesn't matter if no one sees you casting it, what matters is that the result will be incredibly obvious as Above Terrestrial Level Sorcery. If you don't want to take credit for it, that's fine I guess, but then people will wonder what Incredibly Powerful Anathema Sorcerer is buffing Luseng with a Temporal Dilation Sphere or creating godlike entities to administer and protect Luseng. Also, you'll have nothing to show for your period of isolation.
I mentioned a few methods on how to try handling this. One was having public and secret Workings, with public Workings that take deliberately long time and masking our secret ones. Not so good for our image and doesn't allow that many super-obvious Workings, but better than nothing.

Other was spamming Summon Elemental spell for E3 spirits. Any Terrestrial sorcerer can learn that spell, so again, not so glorious but it produces immediate results that have no Anathema traces.
Hey, I'm on your side of the argument and I still find that smiley annoying. I want to avoid the arguments again degenerating to a vitriolic mess like with the vote before this. So please. No eye rolling. Just explaining our reasons. That method is also better for turning voters to our direction and helps when Rihaku is weighting arguments.
 
One very important point that has only briefly been brought up: Anys Syn will not wait to attack you. She will strike when she's ready, regardless of whether Moon and Nilul are here or not. And you shouldn't assume her forays will be strictly military. Poison, disease, assassination, all the vectors by which Ulyssian can kill someone, she can too. And you don't have any Charms to resist those except the basic Resistance Excellency, nor can you afford to buy those Charms and get Sorcery.

The Scales of Sable might be able to help you in that regard, but only if you Wake the Sleeper. And you can't Wake the Sleeper this turn if you get Sorcery. So, you tell me... are you feeling lucky?

Additionally, if you choose Sorcery and go for a force multiplier like time dilation that doesn't help much in combat (Exalts accelerate by the same principle as Essence-based time dilation, though a different mechanism, so Exalts in combat time are basically unaffected by it, their velocity being adjusted by relatively minute amounts), you'll be pushing your luck even harder while the city degenerates in front of you.

Other was spamming Summon Elemental spell for E3 spirits. Any Terrestrial sorcerer can learn that spell, so again, not so glorious but it produces immediate results that have no Anathema traces.

Spirits are much weaker per Essence level than equivalent Exalts, so E3 Elementals are really meh compared to the 2CD-level entity you'd get from a Celestial Circle Working, to say nothing of the 3CD-level (minus panoply / subsouls) entity you'd get from an Ambition 3 Solar Circle one. You could cast Summon Elemental every day for a year and make less than half the impact of a single Celestial Circle Working.
 
He doesn't like us after we have more then proven to be worthwhile as an ally then we might as well get rid of him and get someone else in place.
He will still like us a lot. because it says -3 opinion not "set opinion to hate". 0 + lots + ever moar -3 = a large positive number.
instead of "this guy is the best ever!" he will view us as "I normally hate sorcerers, but this guy is an exception"

Hey, I'm on your side of the argument and I still find that smiley annoying
I wasn't even taking a side in any arguments, I just pointed out an error he made. Just because someone points out your error doesn't mean he is "the enemy"
 
The Scales of Sable might be able to help you in that regard, but only if you Wake the Sleeper. And you can't Wake the Sleeper this turn if you get Sorcery. So, you tell me... are you feeling lucky?
You don't want us to ever get sorcery, don't you? You monster.
Spirits are much weaker per Essence level than equivalent Exalts, so E3 Elementals are really meh compared to the 2CD-level entity you'd get from a Celestial Circle Working, to say nothing of the 3CD-level (minus panoply / subsouls) entity you'd get from an Ambition 3 Solar Circle one. You could cast Summon Elemental every day for a year and make less than half the impact of a single Celestial Circle Working.
Mkay. Scratch that idea. How about spy/assassin/etc beings? Again, not much to show to our people, but they could be very useful without ever revealing their existence.
 
Hm, with The Lily's help and your Esssence raised, you should be able to accumulate roughly 18 Charms from this Wake the Sleeper roll, especially if you get a good stunt! That's the equivalent of 4-5 Titles' worth of power. That is actually a much larger personal power swing than Sorcery would give even with half a year of continuous personal enhancement, and it costs no XP!
 
The Scales of Sable might be able to help you in that regard, but only if you Wake the Sleeper. And you can't Wake the Sleeper this turn if you get Sorcery. So, you tell me... are you feeling lucky?
I was not aware of this limitation, and it is a very huge limitation. This really should have been mentioned in the sorcery blurb before everyone and their dog voted to get sorcery.
Hm, with The Lily's help and your Esssence raised, you should be able to accumulate roughly 18 Charms from this Wake the Sleeper roll, especially if you get a good stunt! That's the equivalent of 4-5 Titles' worth of power. That is actually a much larger personal power swing than Sorcery would give even with half a year of continuous personal enhancement, and it costs no XP!
And this right there completely pushes sorcery off the table for this turn. It is simply not nearly worthwhile. We are supposed to be an optimizer and sorcery is simply vastly sub par at the moment compared to waking the dragon sleeper (edit, sleeper not dragon)
 
Last edited:
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well x3
-[X] Bankrupt



I want sorcery. It's ridiculous amounts of power. But it has a lot of downsides too, most importantly that we can't actually use its power for anything significant without outing ourselves. This plan, on the other hand, gives us less overall power but enhances our power base significantly, makes it a lot harder for Anys Syn to mess with everything, and overall seems like a more solid choice.
 
I was not aware of this limitation, and it is a very huge limitation. This really should have been mentioned in the sorcery blurb before everyone and their dog voted to get sorcery.

It was mentioned. You can't use Wake the Sleeper until you get a new Story, and you won't get a new Story until Moon and Nilul arrive.
They won't arrive until Luseng is safe for them to come, which means either a military write-in or governing wisely and well.
 
It was mentioned. You can't use Wake the Sleeper until you get a new Story, and you won't get a new Story until Moon and Nilul arrive.
They won't arrive until Luseng is safe for them to come, which means either a military write-in or governing wisely and well.
that is not at all obvious. takes quite a logic path, and the fact that a super majority is voting for sorcery instead of nobody voting for it clearly shows that this is not, in fact, something that everyone just gets. Because as you clearly stated in
Hm, with The Lily's help and your Esssence raised, you should be able to accumulate roughly 18 Charms from this Wake the Sleeper roll, especially if you get a good stunt! That's the equivalent of 4-5 Titles' worth of power. That is actually a much larger personal power swing than Sorcery would give even with half a year of continuous personal enhancement, and it costs no XP!
nobody should be voting sorcery this turn, as its simply not worth it until after we get wake the sleeper
 
Last edited:
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well x3
-[X] Bankrupt

Because wake the sleeper. I don't want syn to murder the Heck out of us, and I want nilul and moon here so they don't get turned against us with blackmail or mind rape and us not notice.
 
Have a write-in about Luseng's reaction to their odd Satrap, and possibly an attempt at mitigating the general response to a theoretically bureaucratically focused Limit Break. Murdering corrupt mandarins with his bear hands is the sort of weirdness the City expects from its Satrap dangit!

##Fanwork Wordcount 761

Surrounded by enemies, overburdened with refugees, and saddled with a hostile Realm Bureaucracy the City of Luseng nevertheless flourished. Its Satrap had worked miracles in his time there, building a strong economy and bolstering the Satrapy's treasury despite horrific Realm taxation. Though bloodshed and internecine strife were the way of Creation, they did not seem to touch upon the works of Sesus Ulysisan.

His strength of arms was unquestioned, defeating an entire army of Fair Folk almost single handed, and weathering the deadly assault of a powerful Anathema despite the death of an entire Perfected Brotherhood of Immaculte shikari. If rumor was true he had even driven off the dreaded Lily of the Vally, a dreaded foe who successfully stood in opposition to a powerful Lunar anathema and his entire army all by herself.

The power of the Satrap's mind was also beyond compare, his economic and bureaucratic manipulations had revitalized Luseng's economy. Despite the ever present threat of war he had leveraged a friendship with the Great House of Nellens to build the beginnings of a powerful trade network for all of Luseng. He had even alleviated the burden of truly onerous Realm taxation that might have crippled the Satrapy's recovery.

Even now, he stood above the nation and protected it, consolidating his power and excising corruption from the ranks of his mandarins. It seemed impossible to believe but it seemed that the mad fools remained susceptible to the blandishments of the Fair Folk. It was said that after the treachery of the previous head of Luseng's bureaucracy Sesus Ulyssian had granted him a merciful stay of execution while played his part. It seemed that mercy had been misplaced.

The poison had run deep, and the whispers in the marketplace said that the madmen had begun to speak of capitalizing on the returning prosperity the Satrap had brought forth by once more yielding to the FEY! How could they have considered that after the strange beings of the Wyld had almost destroyed the city?! All of Luseng had nearly perished, their souls rent from their bodies and feasted upon by a the Duke of Iron Sislay's fell army. What insanity or greed clutched at the hearts and minds of the mandarins that they would even THINK that such beings could be trusted?

Thankfully, the Satrap had caught this new treachery in the bud. The first official news Luseng has was of the removal and execution of a number of well known and hated bureaucrats. They had been efficient at their work, but arrogant, and thoroughly corrupt. Their excision was swiftly followed by a restructuring of Luseng's bureaucracy along the lines that Sesus Ulyssian had already shown he favored in his dealings with the Ghost Water legion and the gods of Luseng.

Competence and reliability was the order of the day. Politicking was minimally effective, and connections availed the new bureaucrats naught. A new day was dawning for the government of Luseng, a day of solid mandarins with a strong loyalty to the Satrap and near impeachable integrity. The efficiency this brought to Luseng would only further help its burgeoning trade network. If the projections shared by the Satrap were accurate then as little as a month in the future the City would have adjusted to the vastly increased population and accelerated its growth once more.

The only oddity in the bureaucratic revolution was the Satrap's personal conduct. By all accounts he had moved as a man possessed, striking down the corrupt and foolish alike. Perhaps he had gone too far, but the results spoke for themselves. The actions of Sesus Ulyssian could not always be comprehended by his subjects, but he had worked miracles. He had earned their faith, and so they would have faith in him. They would all be dead without him, a hundred times over. Instead, the people of Luseng lived happily with much to look forward to. They knew to who they owed their gratitude.

Who knew what works the great Sesus Ulyssian might perform in the future? True, he had been perhaps more hands on in his efforts to remove corruption than was strictly necessary, but the City had grown used to the eccentric ways of its Satrap. He did strange things, had odd thoughts, but he came through for them. He had earned the respect of all Luseng, and was well on his way to earning its love as well, despite his often off putting personal manner.

The future was bright, and all the subjects of Sesus Ulyssian awaited its arrival with baited breath!
 
that is not at all obvious. takes quite a logic path, and the fact that a super majority is voting for sorcery instead of nobody voting for it clearly shows that this is not, in fact, something that everyone just gets. Because as you clearly stated in

nobody should be voting sorcery this turn, as its simply not worth it until after we get wake the sleeper

*Shrug* Read the thread? People had already mentioned the Wake the Sleeper issue far before I brought it up.

Have a write-in about Luseng's reaction to their odd Satrap, and possibly an attempt at mitigating the general response to a theoretically bureaucratically focused Limit Break. Murdering corrupt mandarins with his bear hands is the sort of weirdness the City expects from its Satrap dangit!

It's... not really something he's done before, especially since you gave Teft a stay of execution instead of killing him...
 
What about using our "blessed/chosen by the Dragons" reputation thing to proclaim that the Elemental Dragons have granted us the power to perform wonders beyond regular sorcery in order to combat the Lunar Anathema and it's beastmen, the Deathlord's forces and the Fair Folk?
 
What about using our "blessed/chosen by the Dragons" reputation thing to proclaim that the Elemental Dragons have granted us the power to perform wonders beyond regular sorcery in order to combat the Lunar Anathema and it's beastmen, the Deathlord's forces and the Fair Folk?

That's... heresy. I mean, you could do that, but that would be ultra questionable even for someone like Mnemon to say, much less suspected-of-being-Anathema Sesus Ulyssian.
 
Back
Top