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I like creating stuff, but I like positive intimacies, too.Meianmaru said:
Imperator will have the longer lasting effect, though, that's probably true. Mortal cells, weapons caches, a ship and a legend, in addition to our reincarnated Siddie buddy and a Lea that will probably still love us even without Rose Blossoms.
So much concern for the future. Really is no one concerned with dealing with the Odyssial's present, there's plenty of things to consider killing, ruling and marrying right now.
Don't forget Odyssial is on his way to making a second super ridiculous weapon since we picked Sword of Endings in addition to the Sword of Creation. Honestly I'm hoping we can turn it into a artifact N/A super plunger and finally flush the drains of Creation. In fact I have created a snippet describing the beginnings of the quest for the ultimate flush.
Creation had come a long way since the the Primordials had all been killed it was now an age of wonders, mortals could live as they pleased and have no need to fear the casual torments that had previously been the mark of the previous Age but it was not yet perfect for It appeared that even in death the Primordials were a pain the ass. Their corpses had become trapped in systems of Creation and would have to be removed but Odyssial would require a tool to do it, a perfect plunger to remove the final refuse that was the remains of the Primordials from the drains of Creation.
Don't forget Odyssial is on his way to making a second super ridiculous weapon since we picked Sword of Endings in addition to the Sword of Creation. Honestly I'm hoping we can turn it into a artifact N/A super plunger and finally flush the drains of Creation. In fact I have created a snippet describing the beginnings of the quest for the ultimate flush.
Creation had come a long way since the the Primordials had all been killed it was now an age of wonders, mortals could live as they pleased and have no need to fear the casual torments that had previously been the mark of the previous Age but it was not yet perfect for It appeared that even in death the Primordials were a pain the ass. Their corpses had become trapped in systems of Creation and would have to be removed but Odyssial would require a tool to do it, a perfect plunger to remove the final refuse that was the remains of the Primordials from the drains of Creation.
True. Ivory's predecessor appears to have a peculiar relationship with Odyssial as well; I'm interested in seeing whether or not there are any changes to our relationship with her in the Age of Sorrows as a result of having taken the option. Still, I think there's a definite difference between a Sidereal mentor/adversary and a Lunar mate.
It's not just the boat, it's the plethora of other artifacts and caches to be found there, along with the potential for a network of operatives. In a very real way, the Imperator option makes the West ours.
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I somewhat I agree with this, perhaps it's rather unreasonable but I would quite prefer if people voted for Odyssial's choices in a vacuum, without considering how they'll influence Ulyssian in the future. Simply rubs me wrong.
Greatness for the Greatness god! XP for the XP throne!
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[X] The Wanderer - Lord Strategos, The Rose Blossoms, Sword of Endings
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The arguments over "which options are optimal" are, like, everything that is wrong with the quests Rihaku runs. It's comparatively less out of place in Exalted or Naruto or Nasu than PMMM, but it's still missing the forest for the trees. Rihaku dangles a shiny achievement and bundles of XP in front of everyone, and they forget why they want it in the first place. Mechanics should exist to facilitate narrative, but frequently it seems the reverse here; the choices we make for the plot are instead driven by the mechanics behind them. Why do we want Odyssial to hit Greatness 10?
Well, Orm makes it clear he also wants Odyssial to hit Heartlessness 10 so he can have Ulyssian's First Age forerunner be as Great and Terrible as possible. There's a character he wants to play which is some kind of unrelenting übermensch beyond petty mortal concerns like good and evil, and I want nothing to do with that, but it's a respectable reason. His votes are for options which further the narrative he wants.
On the other hand, a lot of people just seem caught up in this because going for Greatness 10 is what we want to do, right? Ulyssian can be interesting with Odyssial's grand legacy behind him, or interesting if he has to build his own legacy from scratch; he can inherit neat toys, or he can find them, steal them, claim them as prizes, commission them, or be gifted them. Well if we get too much Heartlessness we may be handicapped by Odyssial being remembered as Giga-Satan by the Immaculates and much of Creation, and being solely hated and/or feared by everyone, but that's the furthest I would consider these votes in regard to Ulyssian.
I'm voting Wanderer because it thematically fits a character named after Odysseus. I'm voting Wanderer because adventures with Lealope and Sepulchral Pearlescence sound neat and would enhance the narrative role of characters that Ulyssian will come into contact with, and I value that more than a bitchin' ship. I'm voting Wanderer in the hope that having those Social Links will, over time, provide opportunities to drive Heartlessness down a bit because I don't want the memory of Odyssial overshadowing that what Ulyssian can accomplish. I'd much rather have Ulyssian make his own way, in the end.
[X] The Wanderer - Lord Strategos, The Rose Blossoms, Sword of Endings
Well, Orm makes it clear he also wants Odyssial to hit Heartlessness 10 so he can have Ulyssian's First Age forerunner be as Great and Terrible as possible. There's a character he wants to play which is some kind of unrelenting übermensch beyond petty mortal concerns like good and evil, and I want nothing to do with that, but it's a respectable reason. His votes are for options which further the narrative he wants.
On the other hand, a lot of people just seem caught up in this because going for Greatness 10 is what we want to do, right? Ulyssian can be interesting with Odyssial's grand legacy behind him, or interesting if he has to build his own legacy from scratch; he can inherit neat toys, or he can find them, steal them, claim them as prizes, commission them, or be gifted them. Well if we get too much Heartlessness we may be handicapped by Odyssial being remembered as Giga-Satan by the Immaculates and much of Creation, and being solely hated and/or feared by everyone, but that's the furthest I would consider these votes in regard to Ulyssian.
I'm voting Wanderer because it thematically fits a character named after Odysseus. I'm voting Wanderer because adventures with Lealope and Sepulchral Pearlescence sound neat and would enhance the narrative role of characters that Ulyssian will come into contact with, and I value that more than a bitchin' ship. I'm voting Wanderer in the hope that having those Social Links will, over time, provide opportunities to drive Heartlessness down a bit because I don't want the memory of Odyssial overshadowing that what Ulyssian can accomplish. I'd much rather have Ulyssian make his own way, in the end.
[X] The Wanderer - Lord Strategos, The Rose Blossoms, Sword of Endings
Eh, I don't know about that. It's much too late to get a King Arthur style version of that; we'd need to get heartlesness down to at most 4 or 5. No, the best we can hope for is something like Gengis Khan reborn. Honored and dreamed for by our people's descendants, and a nightmare for everyone else.
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And it looks like we're jumping straight into the Primordial War, I thought that we might given how the last chapter ended but I'm a little disappointing we don't get a chance to look that the preparations put in place before the war and the reaction of Sol and other Solars to Odyssial.
No points for guessing who this is, though as he stands from on high observing the butchery below I can't help but miss the Odyssial who fought tooth and nail as a mortal. At least The Obliterator seems to have lost, hooray!
The magic of the imperious Solar General directs his forces as it allows him to observe every facet of the battlefield, magic far beyond humanity allowing for peerless skill in the arts of warfare. I wonder what Odyssial will think of this mass of information when he looks back, every detail of the battlefields he has fought in examined for fault in order to find perfection.
Oh Odyssial though if I had to guess this is their idea of a joke in their relation, after all I doubt that he was as ignorant as Ulyssian was towards Moon at times.
A mass of information detailing bloody battle that would leave Taylor Herbert rubbing her temples is "mildly distracting" it's obvious that Odyssial has taken to the Solar lifestyle.
The forces of the Primordials press forward and seek to trap the defending forces in a gap between the mountains, letting the terrain do most of the work forward. I wonder if the sand here is silver and just what it would look like after being splattered with a mix of blue, red and grey.
Most daevas are mass produced things rarely capable of growing past their original programming and those who stand above them are often defined and blinded by their own themantics, despite it all they share characteristics with humanity as Odyssial has learned. I have to wonder what the "stranger things" are in this case as Odyssial should be familiar with the Fae and their creations, monstrosities and Behemoths born by SWLIHN?
The full military and conflict focus of a titan concentrated in one place, three beings that most would revere as gods leading seven of the beings that nearly triumphed over Odyssial when he was merely human.
But these beings might soon find themselves far more mortal then the former hunter who lost a family to the inhuman.
"If I charge the enemy from one end while my army gets pummeled on the other end they'll have no place to run, flawless tactics!" and here I thought the hammer and anvil approach was used by The Obliterator.
Goddamn it Odyssial you shouldn't break the common conventions of power over your knee yet, what will you do for the next few millennia? Also I'm surprised that Lethos managed to escape with a mere Fetich death you'd think Odyssial would go for the full Neverborn treatment.
Seven years into the Primordial War and Odyssial can already kill seven Second Circle Daevas before their three Third Circle masters can react, I think we've created a monster here guys. One who only wonders how many more he'll get to take to the battlefield and puts aside thoughts of peace as the work of others.
Isn't it great!
Well at least he will satisfy himself with the massacre of millions across a thousand battlefields and the mutilation and humiliation of their gods, given that we picked Fury it's probably the least that Odyssial could ever accept.
A being who might as well be OT God leads them and they are legion, they will come from the skies and the earth in a glorious cittering and unending swarm. Every monstrosity that their limited imaginations and titanic power can birth directed at the insects who dare defy them with fury that may have literally cracked planets.
And to face them is a man wronged by their actions and his seven hundred glowing peers, all armed with the greatest armaments that a crippled forge god can make and directed with what wisdom their heavenly masters can spare.
Gunstar Autocthonia would have you believe that this ending wasn't obvious from the onset, obviously they didn't have an Odyssial.
Odyssial receiving his due reward for being the greatest badass in an army of Titan slaying badasses. This would probably let us reach Greatness 10 relatively quickly and make Odyssial a more potent general and combatant.
This on the other hand has Odyssial being handed a fifth of the world to keep him busy and spending his time working to turn it into the greatest direction. Given how weak the West is compared to the fertile East or the Blessed Isle in canon it would be interesting to see what changes Odyssial would effect.
This option would be a logical continuation from the the last option, turning a fifth of the world into as close to a paradise as the time allowed would be a good legacy for Odyssial. This would take the edge off of Odyssial's actions towards damaging creation as well, after all if anyone planned to release the Wyld onto his stretch of Creation you could be sure they'd wake up dead.
A necessary option if you want to insure Lealope isn't a yandere come the Age of Sorrows and preventing a Dio situation like Darklight140 speculated, also it might act as a bit of a tempering aspect for him and prevent Odyssial from stewing in his hatred.
So a chance to get an Artifact N/A with future options and a potent Sidereal ally? Sound interesting but I'd prefer a combination of Rose/Conquering King myself.
Why do you tempt us with the shines Rihaku, do you really want Creation to burn that badly? More seriously given his lessened Heartlessness this will allow us to open up new options and hopefully won't blow up too badly so long as it is used in moderation.
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I like how Orm continues the glorious Rihaku-Quest tradition of grabbing MOAR POWAH as fast as possible, to the exclusion of all else.
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Actually, I don't think a lot of people go into voting with the desire to engineer a specific narrative. Many people do go in with the mindset of, "If I were Odyssial right now, knowing what he knows - what would I choose?" And in this sense, the mechanics are abstractions that give the player more concrete information on the consequences of their choices.
I don't think that's an incorrect method of playing. I think it's completely fine. They're not aiming for a specific story, they just want to see what story emerges if Odyssial chooses as they would.
To be fair, I did ultimately opt in favor of the option that has Odyssial consolidating power over a region and putting down roots this time around, as opposed to the wandering adventurer option which is perhaps more in-character for an expy of Ulysses. But, yes, I do want Odyssial to live up to the hype that surrounded him following his introduction in the Odyssey. Is there something wrong with that? We are so rarely given the chance to work on a truly epic scale, so I would like to seize this opportunity to craft a legend that is as great and terrible as it could possibly be. There will be many years and a great deal of work by revisionist Sidereal historians between now and the Age of Sorrows, so I don't think the risk of Odyssial completely overshadowing Ulyssian is all that large.
Also, the phrase 'Giga-Satan' makes me giggle manically for no reason I can clearly discern.
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I've seen very few attempts to flesh out Odyssial and get inside his head, and a lot of arguing over what opportunities and goodies the respective choices will give to Ulyssian in the distant future.
I did actually go into this with a fairly clear notion of what I wanted Odyssial to be. Recent decisions have necessitated a bit of improvisation and course-correction, but what Cavalier said is essentially accurate.
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I've seen a moderate amount of the latter, for people who treat this more in the vein of "If I'm Ulyssian, what benefits me?" which is the corollary of "If I'm X, what do I choose?" for characters not being played. Ultimately, it's all the same phenomenon of people taking the side of a viewpoint character and acting in what they believe to be his or her best interests. Sometimes things go inappropriately meta, but I believe this style of play is, in its own way, one of the least disingenuous.
I don't think that style requires you to flesh a character out. You're acting in his best interests, not re-defining him.
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I'm not speaking with you as an example, since you were one of his examples. I'm saying that it is okay to deviate from the narrativist style of play that was being advocated for, and that many people do.
More power alway work ,remember shikamaru death incident.
Can you as me as another participant for a little bonus?.
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