[Exalted, ?] Most High

Usually having a cooler name is worth a lot, it's almost as valuable as coloring a choice red. I'm a bit surprised.
Pfft, opinions.

Wanderer is clearly the cooler name.

And as I've espoused before I don't see huge amounts of value in conquering king because no one is going to remember Odyssial's rule after the Usurpation anyways, while the other two choices in that section provide advantages that last beyond it.
 
And as I've espoused before I don't see huge amounts of value in conquering king because no one is going to remember Odyssial's rule after the Usurpation anyways, while the other two choices in that section provide advantages that last beyond it.

100000 Greatness xp and an Artifact 5 ship that we're guaranteed to find are advantages that remain useful after the usurpation as well.
 
100000 Greatness xp and an Artifact 5 ship that we're guaranteed to find are advantages that remain useful after the usurpation as well.
Yes, but a very high essence elder lunar is worth far more than a mere artifact 5 ship and we're not hurting particularly badly for exp. Lea is simply far too valuable to not pick in this situation.
 
Pfft, opinions.

Wanderer is clearly the cooler name.

And as I've espoused before I don't see huge amounts of value in conquering king because no one is going to remember Odyssial's rule after the Usurpation anyways, while the other two choices in that section provide advantages that last beyond it.
Um, Protector of the West explicitly mentions "Greater spread and permanence of Odyssian legend." It's, uh... it's right there.

Also, it apparently gives a chance for there to be Odyssian local cells.

I mean... Look, this is what the write-up for Protector of the West says right in the blurb: "With authority to monitor, investigate, and defend an entire Direction of Creation, his rightly paranoid self was able to install countless caches of arms, equipment, and loyalist cells throughout the archipelagos and beyond."

And Conquering King quadruples the effective area within which Odyssial would have been able to place caches of weapons and spread loyalist cells.
 
Yes, but a very high essence elder lunar is worth far more than a mere artifact 5 ship and we're not hurting particularly badly for exp. Lea is simply far too valuable to not pick in this situation.
Remember that Rose Blossoms only ensures Lea will love us.

Not that she will be sane.
 
Also Strategoes will continue to pay off in later phases, don't forget that. Every time we get a little more heartless we get power, and it empowers us in later actions...which may yet lead to supporter cells. Theres a ton of history yet to pass.

Not to mention the Artifact N/A sword in Elsewhere to kickstart the reincarnation's tomb raiding and power base building.
 
Also Strategoes will continue to pay off in later phases, don't forget that. Every time we get a little more heartless we get power, and it empowers us in later actions...which may yet lead to supporter cells. Theres a ton of history yet to pass.

Not to mention the Artifact N/A sword in Elsewhere to kickstart the reincarnation's tomb raiding and power base building.

And Protector of the West doesn't pay off?
 
... Ok, I'll bite. Why is the Wanderer not in my best interests? I am, after all, voting for the option that provides the greatest increase in personal puissance.
One word? Moon.

Wanderer not only enhances the Lealope relationship, it weakens Odyssial's ties to the West, and consequently means Ulyssian has less reason to engage with elements of the plot there. It takes the wind out of Seacrown's sails, pushes the narrative away from the Academy, which was frankly the best part of the last two quests, hands down.

Also? The boat. The boat sounds awesome. Swifter than a shadow, apparently, but you're going to let it slip from your grasp like one? I mean, you don't even have to give up the Artifact 6 sword, so it's not like you can't murderize things with a doom weapon in both options. Don't you want naval adventures with Moon & Hero, sailing the high seas of the Second Age, fightin' monsters with a fleet manned by Dragon-Blooded captains at your back?

The experience difference between the two options is not that great. If you're so concerned with leaving a strong legacy for Ulyssian to exploit, pick the option that, you know, actually does that... and does it in a place we're likely to be spending time in, at that. What does the Strategos give us, really? If we are in a position to seize the Sword, we've probably already won at basically everything.
 
Not to mention the Artifact N/A sword in Elsewhere to kickstart the reincarnation's tomb raiding and power base building.
Both options get the sword, but the Imperator actually gets a shitload of caches and artifacts and other shit. Also possibly cults. If you want a powerbase for Ulyssian, the Imperator is unequivocally better.
 
As Strategoes unlocks options in later phases, we can still get caches and support cells set up then, using the authority from it as leverage to do things across Creation as a whole...and of course, leaning on the whole outcome of how the Usurpation turns out.
 
As Strategoes unlocks options in later phases, we can still get caches and support cells set up then, using the authority from it as leverage to do things across Creation as a whole...and of course, leaning on the whole outcome of how the Usurpation turns out.

Except... We don't actually Know that? Being a Lord Strategos means all the eyes are on us, which means people are going to be noting where we come and go, making it harder to distribute paranoia switches and not have them be detected and later rooted out.

All we know is that it opens up options, not what those options actually do.
 
As Strategoes unlocks options in later phases, we can still get caches and support cells set up then, using the authority from it as leverage to do things across Creation as a whole...and of course, leaning on the whole outcome of how the Usurpation turns out.
Yeah, it opens up options. Most of the options do, that's kind of the point; there's no guarantee we'll be able to stash shit in the West, though. Redundant benefits defeats the purpose of having different options in the first place.
 
Um, Protector of the West explicitly mentions "Greater spread and permanence of Odyssian legend." It's, uh... it's right there.

Also, it apparently gives a chance for there to be Odyssian local cells.

I mean... Look, this is what the write-up for Protector of the West says right in the blurb: "With authority to monitor, investigate, and defend an entire Direction of Creation, his rightly paranoid self was able to install countless caches of arms, equipment, and loyalist cells throughout the archipelagos and beyond."

And Conquering King quadruples the effective area within which Odyssial would have been able to place caches of weapons and spread loyalist cells.
Well, I suppose I'm probably exaggerating the degree to which Odyssial's will be wiped from history, especially with an elder sidereal who will probably end up helping that kind of thing out, and I admit I did overlook the hidden caches of useful things, but in my opinion all of that is still immensely overshadowed by the value of investing in Lea.
Remember that Rose Blossoms only ensures Lea will love us.

Not that she will be sane.
Rihaku has said that we'll get an option for that too, which I will of course be pushing for.

Basically, the way I see it, the Lea options are just too powerful to pass up. Grabbing all of them means that when we're playing as Ulyssian we'll have someone with an immense amount of power on our side.
 
Did someone shit-talk Moon?

I dislike waifuing, but she's a cool person, so no :anger:

..By the way.

@Rihaku

I've always been wondering, but have you ever considered exploring what could happen with the other possible character choices that were presented in Sword?
[ ] Patrician. The mortal patrician classes are second-class citizens to even the unExalted children of the Dynasty, but they still live in opulent luxury compared to the average resident of the Realm. Before your mother was assassinated, she taught you that every rule was open to negotiation - power was the only law anyone truly respected. With her sixth husband an absentee bureaucrat, you her son have had plenty of time to take those lessons to heart. Only a fool takes the high road. Real winners use leverage. They attack from unconventional angles. They work smart so they don't waste energy working hard. Through a mixture of bribery, blackmail, and blatant cheating, you were accepted where only Dynasts tread.
[ ] Commoner. Your father was a sergeant in the Legions, and his father before him. Your mother is a freed scribing-slave. Growing up, you were always different from the children around you. Smarter, sharper, quicker - you possessed a most extraordinary talent, and no lack of will to develop it. Numbers and figures, languages and history: all of it came easily to you. With a desire to rise out of the streets, you threw yourself into your studies. You never imagined that a test you took only for the challenge of it would open a door into the world of the Exalted. Will a life spent worshipping the Dynasty leave you ill-prepared for its challenges? You are not overly concerned, though. You've always been a fast learner.​


I absolutely love Uly/the Dynast option, but I sometimes find myself thinking of what could've been with the others as well.​
 
Basically, the way I see it, the Lea options are just too powerful to pass up. Grabbing all of them means that when we're playing as Ulyssian we'll have someone with an immense amount of power on our side.
Are they powerful? Yeah. But, to me, having an enduring legacy with cults sequestered away in the midst of the archipelagos and a Black Ship awaiting its master's return is more interesting than having a good relationship with a suboptimal waifu.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just bitter about having lost the Mortal Foe vote.
 
Except... We don't actually Know that? Being a Lord Strategos means all the eyes are on us, which means people are going to be noting where we come and go, making it harder to distribute paranoia switches and not have them be detected and later rooted out.

We've been told that all titles do functionally the same thing in that regard, with Strategos being only modestly moreso, so the two title combo of the other choice would actually make the phenomenon you describe more pronounced.
 
Wanderer not only enhances the Lealope relationship, it weakens Odyssial's ties to the West, and consequently means Ulyssian has less reason to engage with elements of the plot there. It takes the wind out of Seacrown's sails, pushes the narrative away from the Academy, which was frankly the best part of the last two quests, hands down.

Will it? Getting strategos dont really bind Ulyssian to one single place and we can choose to stay in Seacrown more easily that way. Getting the Imperator option makes the player base more likely to say fuck it and go chasing treasure on the high seas rather then staying in Seacrown and all the fun interesting plots and characters there.

That is putting aside Moon as a reason to stay for a bit, really all I got about her from the last Exalted slayer quest was that she ended up being a damsel in distress more then anything.

Also? The boat. The boat sounds awesome. Swifter than a shadow, apparently, but you're going to let it slip from your grasp like one? I mean, you don't even have to give up the Artifact 6 sword, so it's not like you can't murderize things with a doom weapon in both options. Don't you want naval adventures with Moon & Hero, sailing the high seas of the Second Age, fightin' monsters with a fleet manned by Dragon-Blooded captains at your back?

Random question but did we get sail as favored?
 
Using Moon against me? That's low, man.

I do think you are severely underestimating the potential inherent in access to the Sword of Creation, as well as making several unwarranted assumptions about the game being 'over' if we ever get access to it. Recall, if you will, Rihaku's history of escalation; threats on the order of the HMK are going to be a thing we'll have to deal with. But, the narrative focus thing does ring true, as does your admonishment about strengthening the Lea relationship instead of choosing the option that provides plothooks for Seacrown down the road, so it's time for a judicious application of Vote-Changing Prana.

[X] The Imperator

When the horrifying creatures from beyond the edge of the world drag their misshapen forms into Creation, at least we'll greet them in the Ithacaral.

Oh, and we get to create an enduring utopia that adds to our later talent as a ruler, should we choose to seize power as Ulyssian at any point in time, or even just help in an advisory capacity in between murdering threats to the world. When you think about it, any kingdom Odyssial establishes has to be incredibly successful for its legend to survive multiple apocalypses and the death of its progenitor.
 
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