[Exalted, ?] Most High
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Rihaku
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What's the current vote count?
It's not necessarily a better synergy than Metropolis.
Are you guys really going to commit to saving your people on a "I'll find a way" level? That... is pretty dangerous.
It's not necessarily a better synergy than Metropolis.
Are you guys really going to commit to saving your people on a "I'll find a way" level? That... is pretty dangerous.
Won't it be fun making "Never let a subject die." A defining part of our character right before we declare war against the whole world? Nothing could go wrong!
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Creation is a dangerous place Rihaku.
I kinda see the choice as determining the strength of the intimacy we would get.
I personally prefer Try as it means that we are less likely to limit break. Furthermore, since we need to save Creation, it is unlikely that we would not be forced to sacrifice some in the end. Nonetheless, we should at the very least try our best to minimize their suffering and casualties.
However, you have to admit that Way seems like a E5 worthy goal, with how very hard it would be to pull off if we choose it.
I personally prefer Try as it means that we are less likely to limit break. Furthermore, since we need to save Creation, it is unlikely that we would not be forced to sacrifice some in the end. Nonetheless, we should at the very least try our best to minimize their suffering and casualties.
However, you have to admit that Way seems like a E5 worthy goal, with how very hard it would be to pull off if we choose it.
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Hey, at least this way you'll almost be forced into taking Sorcery, unless you want to accrue Limit or change your mind.
Made far more so when you inevitably fail!
[X] He could try - And he would try earnestly, but not to the degree that he would sacrifice all for it. This was not the ambition that burned in his being, and not every impossible task could be confronted so openly.
[X] Naval Assistance - Ask Zao to exert some influence on your behalf. Ensure that this ship's trip back is severely delayed due to naval operations of utmost secrecy along its route, and that the next one to arrive will takes weeks, if not months, of utterly necessary detours. Of course, this does not solve the problem at the root and may make things difficult for Zao, but it will direct heat against him, instead of you.
[X] The Polis of Legend - The borders of the satrapy are well-defined and well-defensible. Its natural resources are tremendous, and underexploited. It contains the potential to become a thriving nation, an ideal realm on the face of this Creation, an invincible bulwark against all the forces that would seek to rend this world asunder. Elsewhere the Exalted may fail to rise to their Mandates; elsewhere the strength of men may falter; elsewhere, but not here. A self-contained, highly militarized nation-state with enough jade to produce a thousand years' worth of Artifacts, you will prepare Luseng to hold the line against Realm aggression or the return of the Yozis themselves. Should the enemies of your present life, or your past, come calling - you will be ready.
The middle of the road choices. Not ignoring people nor focusing on them to the point where it becomes our main ambition. Diverting Anys's orders and distracting her with other problems while not actively encouraging the civil war (since we can't truly take advantage of it yet).
[X] Naval Assistance - Ask Zao to exert some influence on your behalf. Ensure that this ship's trip back is severely delayed due to naval operations of utmost secrecy along its route, and that the next one to arrive will takes weeks, if not months, of utterly necessary detours. Of course, this does not solve the problem at the root and may make things difficult for Zao, but it will direct heat against him, instead of you.
[X] The Polis of Legend - The borders of the satrapy are well-defined and well-defensible. Its natural resources are tremendous, and underexploited. It contains the potential to become a thriving nation, an ideal realm on the face of this Creation, an invincible bulwark against all the forces that would seek to rend this world asunder. Elsewhere the Exalted may fail to rise to their Mandates; elsewhere the strength of men may falter; elsewhere, but not here. A self-contained, highly militarized nation-state with enough jade to produce a thousand years' worth of Artifacts, you will prepare Luseng to hold the line against Realm aggression or the return of the Yozis themselves. Should the enemies of your present life, or your past, come calling - you will be ready.
The middle of the road choices. Not ignoring people nor focusing on them to the point where it becomes our main ambition. Diverting Anys's orders and distracting her with other problems while not actively encouraging the civil war (since we can't truly take advantage of it yet).
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You guys could write in "save as many as possible" or something, but that would not give as much strength as Finding a Way and would still be a major shift in priorities. Metropolis would be a lot easier than Empire under such a method! Even so, you'd have to implement numerous Solar Circle Workings for Public Health / Reincarnation / Defense.
Or we could focus on actually achieving our goals.
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Gaining a millions strong army of loyal and powered up mortals helps us achieve our goals
We can do that without being emotionally vulnerable.
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Indeed, it's much better to build up your own forces without contest than to deal with an enemy that will try to counter your attempts to nerf him! Especially since, after you bring down that enemy, you yourself will be no stronger for it!
It was for this reason (Satraps arranging for "accidents" on the ship back) that the Satrapy is made responsible for the safety of the ship on its way back. If you lose it, there will be major consequences, even if it was an accident.
Nellens has almost no chance of winning, you shouldn't try to elevate them that far that fast. They just don't have a lot of Exalts... An alliance between Nellens and another House or five would be much more realistic.
Is this even possible anymore in 3e? Mortals can't be enlightened anymore and mortal sorcery requires high level thaumaturgy to sublimate jade or sacrifice humans or something to get essence to cast spells.
Sort of disappointing really most of the changes I've seen from 2e to 3e were simple rule changes that didn't really mean anything to me (other than the fact I now have no idea how to play Exalted anymore), but the loss of enlightened mortals is a pretty major setting change that really seems to damage the Wuxia themes of Exalted.
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Rihaku
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No, Sorcery doesn't draw from the caster's mote pool anymore, so anyone can use it. It's pretty much the only direct non-Exaltation path to power for mortals now, but a determined mortal with the talent can become much stronger than he used to be in 2E. And since Sorcery is so versatile, one can even model high-level martial techniques as Spells or Workings. A master of inner perfection might use a Working to give himself skin as hard as diamond, or create a Respired Spirit from his breath as powerful as a 2nd Circle Demon. Epic undertakings, to be sure, and likely to incur drawbacks, but within the realm of mechanical possibility. A Sorcerer with time and XP can be more powerful in his area of focus than a normal Dragon-Blooded, so mortal Sorcerers are equivalent to DBs on the power scale.
Also, Exaltations are a lot more common - there are far more different types, so it's easier for a truly tryhard mortal to get one without relying on the Celestial Exaltation death-lottery or the Dragon-Blooded birth-lottery. Exigencies can be bought on the black market, if one has access to truly ludicrous funds, connections, and influence. Or a God could be blackmailed into (or maneuvered into) beseeching the UCS for an Exigency of his own. The Fae are also capable of buffing mortals to a significant extent. Not an easy route to power, and filled with dangers, but life as a mortal ain't easy.
Not even life as a Solar is, oftentimes.
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so, what course was actually decided?
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It hasn't been decided yet. The vote is active.
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[] He could try
Our goal of protecting creation is actually derived from our goal of protecting all the people of creation.
At first I thought its asking about retaining popularity, but rereading it seems to clearly say protecting the people
That being said, taking rihaku's warning about the results might not being something they liked, and the "will not sacrifice it all for it" in he could try also concerns me (or rather, the lack of of that line elsewhere).
So, he could try.
[] Subversion
through conflict, growth. She might escalate, but we will learn and grow from this.
I actually changed my vote after seeing you make this post.
It does not in any way indicating that we would try to save those specific people over other people, over quality of life, etc.
Our goal of protecting creation is actually derived from our goal of protecting all the people of creation.
At first I thought its asking about retaining popularity, but rereading it seems to clearly say protecting the people
That being said, taking rihaku's warning about the results might not being something they liked, and the "will not sacrifice it all for it" in he could try also concerns me (or rather, the lack of of that line elsewhere).
So, he could try.
[] Subversion
through conflict, growth. She might escalate, but we will learn and grow from this.
@Rihaku: I cannot stress this enough: The vote does not in any way make clear that this is what we are choosing!
I actually changed my vote after seeing you make this post.
It does not in any way indicating that we would try to save those specific people over other people, over quality of life, etc.
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My understanding is that it is like how they handled the removal of Magitech: the term is removed, but the things it referred to still exist, just rarer and not mass producible. So there are still wise old masters, and other mortals that seek out and gain enlightenment in various ways. There just aren't Enlightened Mortals, a specifically defined subset of beings that are effectively mass producible with the right charms.
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So polis is officially out of the running then?
In that case I am switching back to
[X] seat of empire
[X] He could try
[X] subversion
It is a real shame because if we really wanted to subvert the realm then having a huge army of DBs answering us directly and personally would have been the ideal way to do so
Actually, empire explicitly states we will be killing or recruiting said celestial exalts. We will have about a dozen of them serving us.
Furthermore, rihaku explicitly warned us that the bull will come to conquer us and we will lack the power to repel him and be forced to swear fealty to him or come up with some creative solution
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[X] The Shining Metropolis
Again prophecy spam the shit out of Anys. Plus we don't have to worry about all of these territories we'll have to defend when our expansion inevitably has Anys strike back at us.
Also the Celestials we'd recruit would have to openly use their powers to be useful to us and still haven't really worked on subverting the Immaculate faith so that will make it hard to recruit from the Realm and practically expose us to everyone.
Again prophecy spam the shit out of Anys. Plus we don't have to worry about all of these territories we'll have to defend when our expansion inevitably has Anys strike back at us.
Also the Celestials we'd recruit would have to openly use their powers to be useful to us and still haven't really worked on subverting the Immaculate faith so that will make it hard to recruit from the Realm and practically expose us to everyone.
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What did you think "he would find a way" meant? Ulyssian's personality should be well familiar to you guys by now; the others certainly didn't seem to have that misconception.
Polis has lost, yes, there were not enough votes or arguments for it.
You wouldn't lack the power to repel someone as personally weak as the Bull in the North, it's just that you might want his assistance against, say, the Realm.
You guys really should consider the massive opportunity costs in wasting your prophecies attacking another instead of building yourself up. Of course, there's a balance to strike, but weakening Anys isn't going to make you stronger.