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[X] The Polis of Legend
[X] Base Sentimentality
They're nice and all, but pleasing the crowd is not our strength. If we really just wanted to make the common people happy, content, and safe, we would have kept the Necromancer.
Speaking of prioritizing our personal goals over the good of the masses..
[X] Subversion
Let's rev up that apocalypse! Weakening our nemesis seems more valuable than preserving the Realm. Further, we can move forward with The Polis, and grab up the scattered refugees of the impending war.
[X] Base Sentimentality
They're nice and all, but pleasing the crowd is not our strength. If we really just wanted to make the common people happy, content, and safe, we would have kept the Necromancer.
Speaking of prioritizing our personal goals over the good of the masses..
[X] Subversion
Let's rev up that apocalypse! Weakening our nemesis seems more valuable than preserving the Realm. Further, we can move forward with The Polis, and grab up the scattered refugees of the impending war.
Eh, I'm sure we could find some way to do it.
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about like his mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way. Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, he will not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said.
[X] Subversion - If Anys wants to play the game, she'll find her enemy a more than capable foe. Cut back on administrative duties and take out loans: It's time to show her just how obstructive a Solar strategist can be. Choke the life out of her bureaucracy, mire its every action in corruption, vested interests, and red tape. The Magistracies, the only officially sanctioned checks on House power, are already weakened to the point of uselessness. Conflict and division shall rain upon the Realm, and its Immaculate Philosophy will face a hundred thousand tiny heresies. It'll be a cold day in Malfeas before she gets another cutter out to you, much less one with orders like these.
Also, in Subversion, those hundred thousand tiny heresies. Supernatural Martial Arts are linked to the martial artist's understanding of the truths it is based on. To learn the martial art is to learn the philosophy. If we can corrupt their understanding of these truths, prophesize that they will be reinterpreted in a thousand subtle ways by a thousand heretics, could we weaken the Immaculate Martial Arts themselves, among most of its practitioners?
[X] The Seat of Empire
[X] Base Sentimentality
[X] Subversion
We've already failed at protecting all of our populace, let's not vote to be emotionally invested in succeeding.
[X] Base Sentimentality
[X] Subversion
We've already failed at protecting all of our populace, let's not vote to be emotionally invested in succeeding.
Wouldn't it be better for us to hasten the fall of the realm so we can just build our power base unmolested while they kill each other in civil war, then pick up the pieces with our obviously working model of governance?
Seriously, guys, are you willing to "sacrifice everything" to protect every single one of our citizens' lives?
What is the most you are willing to trade if Anys takes one random refugee hostage? Because if you pick A Way Uly is willing to trade more than that.
What is the most you are willing to trade if Anys takes one random refugee hostage? Because if you pick A Way Uly is willing to trade more than that.
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[X] Subversion - If Anys wants to play the game, she'll find her enemy a more than capable foe. Cut back on administrative duties and take out loans: It's time to show her just how obstructive a Solar strategist can be. Choke the life out of her bureaucracy, mire its every action in corruption, vested interests, and red tape. The Magistracies, the only officially sanctioned checks on House power, are already weakened to the point of uselessness. Conflict and division shall rain upon the Realm, and its Immaculate Philosophy will face a hundred thousand tiny heresies. It'll be a cold day in Malfeas before she gets another cutter out to you, much less one with orders like these.
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about likehis mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way.Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, hewill not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about likehis mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way.Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, hewill not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about like his mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way. Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, he will not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said.
[X] Subversion - If Anys wants to play the game, she'll find her enemy a more than capable foe. Cut back on administrative duties and take out loans: It's time to show her just how obstructive a Solar strategist can be. Choke the life out of her bureaucracy, mire its every action in corruption, vested interests, and red tape. The Magistracies, the only officially sanctioned checks on House power, are already weakened to the point of uselessness. Conflict and division shall rain upon the Realm, and its Immaculate Philosophy will face a hundred thousand tiny heresies. It'll be a cold day in Malfeas before she gets another cutter out to you, much less one with orders like these.
[X] Subversion - If Anys wants to play the game, she'll find her enemy a more than capable foe. Cut back on administrative duties and take out loans: It's time to show her just how obstructive a Solar strategist can be. Choke the life out of her bureaucracy, mire its every action in corruption, vested interests, and red tape. The Magistracies, the only officially sanctioned checks on House power, are already weakened to the point of uselessness. Conflict and division shall rain upon the Realm, and its Immaculate Philosophy will face a hundred thousand tiny heresies. It'll be a cold day in Malfeas before she gets another cutter out to you, much less one with orders like these.
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[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about like his mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way. Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, he will not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said
[X] Grin and Bear it
[X] Grin and Bear it
[X] Subversion - If Anys wants to play the game, she'll find her enemy a more than capable foe. Cut back on administrative duties and take out loans: It's time to show her just how obstructive a Solar strategist can be. Choke the life out of her bureaucracy, mire its every action in corruption, vested interests, and red tape. The Magistracies, the only officially sanctioned checks on House power, are already weakened to the point of uselessness. Conflict and division shall rain upon the Realm, and its Immaculate Philosophy will face a hundred thousand tiny heresies. It'll be a cold day in Malfeas before she gets another cutter out to you, much less one with orders like these.
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about likehis mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way.Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, hewill not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about likehis mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way.Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, hewill not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said
[X] Grin and Bear It
[X] He could find a way
Seems like the two most attractive options for now.
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[X] He could find a way
Seems like the two most attractive options for now.
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Do people realise the Subversion is the "Heat up our cold war with Anys while kickstarting the Realm War" option? While Find A Way is the "Do literally anything if it will prevent even a single of our subjects' deaths"?
I'm sure we have no enemies at all who will take advantage of the lowest of the beggars in our society having infinite blackmail/hostage value.
I'm sure we have no enemies at all who will take advantage of the lowest of the beggars in our society having infinite blackmail/hostage value.
[x] He could try - And he would try earnestly, but not to the degree that he would sacrifice all for it. This was not the ambition that burned in his being, and not every impossible task could be confronted so openly.
I suspect that the means Ulyssian could find to safeguard his people, by thinking like Odyssial, could be the kind of solutions we would regret discovering. Beside, whatever the love we have for those people, let's not forget the whole of Creation require our attention.
If we go for Metropolis or Empire, we'll present a good alternative for a Realm divided and weakened, it seems we're headed this way in an inevitable manner, unless someone think about some amazing write in to turn the situation on its head. So Subversion seems the way to go for that, especially if we consider that we're not the only one gaining precious time here, Anys is consolidating her power and moving her pawns. So delaying and gaining time to increase our resource could be a losing proposition if pushed too far.
I suspect that the means Ulyssian could find to safeguard his people, by thinking like Odyssial, could be the kind of solutions we would regret discovering. Beside, whatever the love we have for those people, let's not forget the whole of Creation require our attention.
If we go for Metropolis or Empire, we'll present a good alternative for a Realm divided and weakened, it seems we're headed this way in an inevitable manner, unless someone think about some amazing write in to turn the situation on its head. So Subversion seems the way to go for that, especially if we consider that we're not the only one gaining precious time here, Anys is consolidating her power and moving her pawns. So delaying and gaining time to increase our resource could be a losing proposition if pushed too far.
Subversion carries the risk of weakening the Realm and causing a civil war, and while I don't mind that too much, it's still a bit early for that. Buying time for us to implement either Empire or Metropolis would give us a far stronger position for the civil war. It would also cost us the use of our prophet when it could be put to better use helping Luseng.
If we delay them long enough to implement our plans, then we won't really need to care a lot for the dictates of the Deliberative. With Empire, we would have done far worse, while with Metropolis, we would have spent months "following" their orders, and would have gotten Nellens to support us, giving us sufficient influence.
As for how we can creatively interpret their orders, we were always intending to gain back Luseng's strategic resources so we can use that to count as striking against the Realm's enemies. For the 10% tax increase, we could interpret it as a 10% increase in tribute, linking it to the one about increase Luseng economy. The Immaculate Order could be blamed on the Shikari dying, preventing us from having any monks to spread the faith.
In addition, the ship must be carrying a lot of obols, thus making it a very attractive target for all the pirates that are in the area. While we haven't contacted them yet, we could do so and point them in the way of the ship. If it sinks, it would take time before they realize what happens, and would mean that they would not be able to confirm how exactly were their orders relayed to us. Furthermore, the loss of the ship gives Sao an excuse to carry out naval operations, which can further buy us more time.
If we delay them long enough to implement our plans, then we won't really need to care a lot for the dictates of the Deliberative. With Empire, we would have done far worse, while with Metropolis, we would have spent months "following" their orders, and would have gotten Nellens to support us, giving us sufficient influence.
As for how we can creatively interpret their orders, we were always intending to gain back Luseng's strategic resources so we can use that to count as striking against the Realm's enemies. For the 10% tax increase, we could interpret it as a 10% increase in tribute, linking it to the one about increase Luseng economy. The Immaculate Order could be blamed on the Shikari dying, preventing us from having any monks to spread the faith.
In addition, the ship must be carrying a lot of obols, thus making it a very attractive target for all the pirates that are in the area. While we haven't contacted them yet, we could do so and point them in the way of the ship. If it sinks, it would take time before they realize what happens, and would mean that they would not be able to confirm how exactly were their orders relayed to us. Furthermore, the loss of the ship gives Sao an excuse to carry out naval operations, which can further buy us more time.
[X] Subversion - If Anys wants to play the game, she'll find her enemy a more than capable foe. Cut back on administrative duties and take out loans: It's time to show her just how obstructive a Solar strategist can be. Choke the life out of her bureaucracy, mire its every action in corruption, vested interests, and red tape. The Magistracies, the only officially sanctioned checks on House power, are already weakened to the point of uselessness. Conflict and division shall rain upon the Realm, and its Immaculate Philosophy will face a hundred thousand tiny heresies. It'll be a cold day in Malfeas before she gets another cutter out to you, much less one with orders like these.
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about like his mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way. Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, he will not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples.Nothing more needs to be said
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about like his mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way. Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, he will not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples.Nothing more needs to be said
[X] Grin and Bear It - If this is the extent to which Anys is willing to interfere with you, then so be it. You will not escalate things with her, not at this time, not when you are still weak. She is giving you time, and even these ludicrous orders can be worked around. If you are made to fail publicly, so what? That is a matter of months from now, before it can even be confirmed, much less disseminated around the Realm. In the meantime, you'll continue to build your power base unmolested, save for the nuisance of higher taxes. The coffers of Luseng run low indeed, but you've a few ideas to fix that. Markets are systems like any other, and they come easily to you now. You might even call your talents prophetic...
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about like his mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way. Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, he will not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said
[X] He could find a way - He could stop mooning about like his mortal self never would have, shut up, and find a way. Little is beyond his ingenuity and skill, and if he is to reign, he will not content himself with merely reigning 'well' compared to others. He is Odyssial, and they are his - adopted - peoples. Nothing more needs to be said
[X] He could Try
[X] Grin and Bear it
A way will be harmful for ys in long run here, besides it's option doomed to failure at one pevel or another. Trying at lest acknowledge that outcome isn't totally in our hand as our people get to decide here. Failing that Sentimentality is my next choice as it avoid pitfalls of
a way and don't make us bad king in any way.
We can deal with increased workload for now and with little creative interpretation of orders problems should be more than managable.
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*Charisma to 3 and one or two dots in occult.
[X] Grin and Bear it
A way will be harmful for ys in long run here, besides it's option doomed to failure at one pevel or another. Trying at lest acknowledge that outcome isn't totally in our hand as our people get to decide here. Failing that Sentimentality is my next choice as it avoid pitfalls of
a way and don't make us bad king in any way.
We can deal with increased workload for now and with little creative interpretation of orders problems should be more than managable.
Regarding exp expeditures
*Train stats and abilities
*Charisma to 3 and one or two dots in occult.
Well, while I do not prefer Subversion, if we do pick it and cause the Realm Civil War, we are in a position to influence the winner.
Firstly, with our prophecies, we can ensure that the faction we pick is vastly more successful than it would otherwise be. Furthermore, since their success would depend on them implementing our suggestions, it would help give us a lot of influence. For which house to back, I personally suggest Nellens. For one, we have already burnt a lot of bridges with Sesus. For another, Saery is our friend, while Nellens is also the house that is most concerned with mortals. Since the bandwagon seems to be for helping our citizens, we should pick the house most friendly to them.
In addition, we have the Jade Mountain, which means that we can provide an unsurpassed amount of jade to whichever house we want to back, giving them access to a lot of resources and artifacts.
If we do pick Subversion, I would recommend informing Zao so he can start preparing.
Firstly, with our prophecies, we can ensure that the faction we pick is vastly more successful than it would otherwise be. Furthermore, since their success would depend on them implementing our suggestions, it would help give us a lot of influence. For which house to back, I personally suggest Nellens. For one, we have already burnt a lot of bridges with Sesus. For another, Saery is our friend, while Nellens is also the house that is most concerned with mortals. Since the bandwagon seems to be for helping our citizens, we should pick the house most friendly to them.
In addition, we have the Jade Mountain, which means that we can provide an unsurpassed amount of jade to whichever house we want to back, giving them access to a lot of resources and artifacts.
If we do pick Subversion, I would recommend informing Zao so he can start preparing.
