[Exalted, ?] Most High
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Under those conditions I would be willing to go the Empire way, what do you think people ?
It deals mostly with what I find objectionable about the original option, which is basically putting us straigth against the Realm and the forces which assault Creation, in others words, between a rock and a hard place.
Rihaku
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Yes, you do have an actual Charm that makes prophecies. Check the character sheet, under the red "Lord Strategos" Title.
Prophecies don't work well on demographics as small as the Solar Exalted; they're just not very predictable and you find it hard to derive general trends with the same disturbing accuracy. It could potentially work on DBs but not Solars or Lunars, and definitely not Sids.
In general, I don't know how wise or effective it would be to say that a Realm Satrapy is a good place for solars to hide, or even remotely free of the Immaculate Order. The Immaculates will, after all, be investigating you, and while your premier rulership may make it difficult for Anys to dislodge you, she is a Chosen of Battles. They are used to difficult things. The prospect of dozens of Anathema sheltering in your region would make things a lot easier for her.
You'd have to learn Sorcery first, though! And you're still some XP short of that. Moreover, you need a way to justify learning Sorcery.
A justification as in a reason do so or a way for us to manage it ?
VanusDraco
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Well, that's a bummer.
Which of the options would you say is the best at shutting the Immaculates out of our Satrap?
Rihaku
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Well, it depends what you mean by shutting out. Currently there aren't any (from Anys), because you killed them all. You can delay her investigation with prophecy spamming, or just blow it off as irrelevant and go conquer the Northwest with your Realm Legion and insane physical power. The Polis would probably be most vulnerable, but the Polis does have other strengths.
VanusDraco
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In the metropolis option, you suggested allying with one of the death knight to shore up our military power.
If we decides to do so, would it be possible to just have Lily murderize all the Immaculates that Anys Syn sends our way?
Rihaku
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Well, power does emerge in many different ways.
I highly encourage you guys to think through this choice carefully; though I plan on updating within the day or tomorrow, this choice will shape the actions you take by default on a massive scale. Consider a write-in!
[X] The Shining Metropolis
I would like to be more than just the conqueror, and I was disappointed we didn't do some kingdom building in the character creation. On the other hand, now this can be Uly's contribution. Solars should do good things for all, not just rampage around. And we are the governor, not a legion commander.
I would like to be more than just the conqueror, and I was disappointed we didn't do some kingdom building in the character creation. On the other hand, now this can be Uly's contribution. Solars should do good things for all, not just rampage around. And we are the governor, not a legion commander.
meianmaru
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I was going to ask if we could fill up our three remaining Charm slots, but it seems that we likely don't have quite enough normal XP for that buying a Title's worth. Could we grind our skills instead? If Metropolis wins, for example, I would expect that raising our Bureaucracy during the time-skip would make sense. A Bureaucracy Title would be nice too to boost our efficiency, but like I said, I don't expect us to have enough XP for it.
Rihaku
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As these two guys note, Anys' ability to prosecute you with the Order is not unlimited -
It's just that harboring other Solars and Lunars would vastly improve her prospects in that area. As for the Lily... you don't know her well enough to say if she'd even be willing to go along with killing the Immaculates. You are technically supposed to be protecting them, after all.
[X] The Seat of Empire
Thinking about it, I've come to prefer this over Polis, they both still seem about equal to me benefits wise, (Even Metropolis is pretty good, though the flaws there bother me more than the other two options do) but this option seems more fun to me. Go out and see Creation (while conquering it) rather sitting at home building up.
Thinking about it, I've come to prefer this over Polis, they both still seem about equal to me benefits wise, (Even Metropolis is pretty good, though the flaws there bother me more than the other two options do) but this option seems more fun to me. Go out and see Creation (while conquering it) rather sitting at home building up.
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[X] The Seat of Empire
Provided we prioritize people that are enemies of Creation at large, or at least where conquering strengthens the cause. So we ignore the Realm and instead stab the Fae, Undead and other assholes in the face.
The Celestials are an issue in terms of Immaculate attention, but we can solve that issue by not meeting them in the palace or where we can be seen. I'm sure some of the Celestials can manage that much.
As for Anys? Prophecies. Lots of them.
About paperwork that only Heshiesh Incarnate could handle. Or otherwise paralyze the Immaculates.
Jokes aside, we can cause Anys some grief by making the Great Houses restless against her rule, making her devote more time to keeping a lid on that, and if we have the time, the Grand Heresy is actually plausible enough. As our Terrestrial friend noted, Sorcerers know that the Immaculates are objectively wrong. That is certainly a foothold we can turn into a wider movement where the DBs realize that the Immaculates are full of it, and more importantly, the Solars and Lunars aren't Evil Incarnate (TM). And with that, recruiting more Dragonbloods becomes an option.
Another benefit to Empire is that we can probably get at some of Odyssials caches, or at least recruit the tribes that worship him, which gets us a cadre of loyal Dragonbloods.
Provided we prioritize people that are enemies of Creation at large, or at least where conquering strengthens the cause. So we ignore the Realm and instead stab the Fae, Undead and other assholes in the face.
The Celestials are an issue in terms of Immaculate attention, but we can solve that issue by not meeting them in the palace or where we can be seen. I'm sure some of the Celestials can manage that much.
As for Anys? Prophecies. Lots of them.
About paperwork that only Heshiesh Incarnate could handle. Or otherwise paralyze the Immaculates.
Jokes aside, we can cause Anys some grief by making the Great Houses restless against her rule, making her devote more time to keeping a lid on that, and if we have the time, the Grand Heresy is actually plausible enough. As our Terrestrial friend noted, Sorcerers know that the Immaculates are objectively wrong. That is certainly a foothold we can turn into a wider movement where the DBs realize that the Immaculates are full of it, and more importantly, the Solars and Lunars aren't Evil Incarnate (TM). And with that, recruiting more Dragonbloods becomes an option.
Another benefit to Empire is that we can probably get at some of Odyssials caches, or at least recruit the tribes that worship him, which gets us a cadre of loyal Dragonbloods.
Well,I put my choice on the basic fact that I don't think that Anys is our greateset threat,and try to grab any choice that can give us more power.
In the end only thing we can rely on is ourselves.
If we really want to kill Immaculate Monks, we can make use of Perfect Mirror to do so.
As for Prophet, Metropolis is the one that can truly make use of it. Our position would be a lot stronger, preventing Anys from recalling us, while we can get a lot of information to use Prophet. For the other options, we would be liable to be too busy to use Prophet. Empire requires our personal power to conquers our opponents, while Polis needs us to personally help take part in deep exploration.
As for Prophet, Metropolis is the one that can truly make use of it. Our position would be a lot stronger, preventing Anys from recalling us, while we can get a lot of information to use Prophet. For the other options, we would be liable to be too busy to use Prophet. Empire requires our personal power to conquers our opponents, while Polis needs us to personally help take part in deep exploration.
VanusDraco
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Well, technically we are suppose to do a lot of things, but we all know who our enemies are and working to get rid of our enemies is always a good thing.
I guess it's a calculation of benefit vs detriments. To me at least, having several celestial Exalted who can safely train and gain power under our protection and in turn support us and each other against our enemies is worth the extra attention from Anys Syn and the Immaculate order. Solars working together can get good pretty fast, and up to a point, the Immaculate order just won't be able to mobilize enough operatives to suppress us.
This is one of the reason that I like Empire option, with enough military force loyal to us and the backing of enough celestial exalted, Anys Syn loses a lot of her option against us. We then move Moon and Nilul into our new Empire, which means that Anys Syn will have to come to us if she wants to enact Project Bloodlines.
Rihaku
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Plenty, though it depends on what you're interested in.
What about Moon?
meianmaru
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[X] The Shining Metropolis
No. of votes: 22
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-[X] Call in Nelel
No. of votes: 2
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[X] The Seat of Empire
No. of votes: 13
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[X] The Polis of Legend
No. of votes: 3
Savonarola, Anasurimbor, SirLagginton
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[X] The Shining Metropolis
No. of votes: 22
gigantisrex, Robotninja, Serous, Emerald Oracle, Alectai, Deadly Snark, veekie, sithmor, jamie96969, meianmaru, Random Asian Person, inventive alias, Neptune, Valor, Katreus, cyberswordsmen, Wing101, dragon, Algalon, Vitaris, Diller, Daniel14541
-[X] Call in Nelel
No. of votes: 2
sithmor, Daniel14541
[X] The Seat of Empire
No. of votes: 13
Elero, Usernames, Gaudy Guise, Van Ropen, skaro, mrttao, afterthought53, jean5, CrawlingChaos74, 1986ctcel, Thomasfoolery, DakkaMania, VanusDraco
[X] The Polis of Legend
No. of votes: 3
Savonarola, Anasurimbor, SirLagginton
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I'd like to pick up some more kill-power. We've spread out more than enough now, and it's time to buckle down on this.
meianmaru
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Hmm. While I'm kind of sucker for wanting to generalize in everything, maybe you have a point. For starters, the Deathknights still remain a problem, but Anys herself could decide that she has to do some direct intervention if nothing else seems to work against and we push her too hard with our prophecies.
meianmaru
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Also, a message for @Daniel14541: Could you please put up a new complete vote in a completely new post? Its the simplest way of fixing things, as the vote counter currently counts only your sub-vote and not the main one, and I had to fix the tally by hand.
Those are certainly part of the reason, but they're also only medium tier threats. Bigger issues are still out there, and if we want to have a build that has a chance of resistance against them in the future we're going to need to start now, and specialize to get as much effectiveness as we can manage.