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Serous said:
[X]The Shining Metropolis

I prefer to consolidate before extending. It would make our position extremely difficult to attack, while also helping to ensure the loyalty of Luseng. With strategic resources like the mountain, as well as prophet, we already can affect Creation without needing an army.

Also, it should get us the support of House Nellen.
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You don't have the mountain yet, though it does include the option to mount an attack against it.

Alectai said:
Thing is, Shining Metropolis gives us the time and leisure to fuck her over with our Prophecies, and prevent her from consolidating power, while we basically remain completely untouchable from an open perspective (Because holy shit we just turned this situation right the fuck around). Nellens will love us for this, our reputation remains excellent, and more importantly, we have a kernel of being fucking invincible, at the cost of allowing our rivals the initative--but given how we've evidently successfully seized the most critical locations in this option (The Jade Mountain in particular is critical), we've likely denied them the greatest prize of the Satrapy.

The Seat of Empire retains the initative, but at the cost of risking overextending ourselves badly--we're already at the limit of what we can efficiently hold at this point with our available forces, and while we draw more Celestial Exalted power to us in this option, we also risk pushing the Anys Syn Desperation Button again before we're ready to weather the shitstorm. In short, it works out just fine as long as nothing goes wrong in the early stages.

Since Polis seems to be on the backfoot, for now, I'll go with

[X] The Shining Metropolis

Admittedly, my bias towards building Tall as opposed to Wide is showing here.

That being said, for all intents and purposes, this was basically a tie with The Polis of Legend. But it doesn't seem to be getting much traction yet.
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The Metropolis does have pretty mediocre military power, especially when compared to the other two. Unless you yourself are REALLY strong or you get time to unload a lot of top-class Workings, it's going to be an issue, even with Moon & Friends here to help you. You would be strongly encouraged to ally with the Lily or the Fae in this scenario, or bend the knee to the Bull (but we all know that's not happening).

I like building Tall as well! More synergy. But you guys should consider what the best choice is for your situation and your talents. A military empire feeds off expansion, and troops of immense power do very little when just sitting at home! Also, Limit Breaking is safer when you're out in the open with lots and lots of enemies to kill... the Metropolis is the most vulnerable to Limit Breaking by far. Of course, it has other advantages.

Serous said:
Metropolis prevents Anys from using her incredible level of influence within the Realm, while giving us a lot of influence that we can leverage.

It would also mean that if she wants to mess with us, she has either to go through unofficial channels where she is a lot weaker, or go herself.

With the other options, she can mess with us through official channels, which are harder for us to deal with while also requiring less effort for her.
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You can always use a few prophecies to delay her with the other options, it just wouldn't be as good as the Metropolis. But that gives you time to seize more territory, expand your borders, or fortify them (in the case of Polis)

Diller said:
[X] Shining Metropolis

Get House Nellens on our side so we finally have the backing of one of the great house.

Retake the really important areas such as the Jade Mountain which we can still explore later.

The amazingness of our city is spread throughout the world which boosts our reputation considering how we were sent here because everybody thought this place was fucked.

Uncle is more loyal to us.

Anys can't hurt us officially thanks to our new rep and support with Nellens which requires unofficial means which are her less powerful option.

We can prophecy spam the shit out of Anys to weaken her influnce and power in the realm so we could really fuck her over.

I'm liking this ssssoooooo much.
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It's a nice option! But many of these benefits are, even in conjunction, inferior to simply having greater access to the spoils of empire.
 
Well seat of empire maybe force us to have more enemy but are we shy away form the conflict?.

Something must need to be done and I want to go out and kill enemy of the realm instead of use our bureaucratic skill.
 
I just realized that we just killed a corrupted solaroid exalt and let his exaltation go, we need to develop a way to capture exaltations. that way we can fix the ones that have been corrupted.
 
mrttao said:
I just realized that we just killed a corrupted solaroid exalt and let his exaltation go, we need to develop a way to capture exaltations. that way we can fix the ones that have been corrupted.
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That... is much, much easier said than done! To say the least.
inventive alias said:
[X] The Shining Metropolis

We can concentrate on the immaculate faith and can defend an area this size easier than the other options.
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Wow, this takes Metropolis to an even bigger lead. You guys don't want an Empire?
 
Rihaku said:
That... is much, much easier said than done! To say the least.
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very Long term project :)


Rihaku said:
Wow, this takes Metropolis to an even bigger lead. You guys don't want an Empire?
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they want the empire, the realm. you did put eroding anys political might as a plus for that option. the argument for it is to use that eroding Combined with prophecy spam (which i still dont understand) to usurp the realm from anys. My issue is that picking a political fight without the might to back it up is a mistake and also sunk cost chasing

Also i personally bandwagoned away from the mid choice so that we have a chance at some growth and maybe that is part of the issue. Since when only choosing between the two extremes many really dislike the attention we get ad a full scale warlord

Also. There is the destinct feeling of it being a short term goal in the votes.
Rather than never empire. Just a turtle for now. Empire later
 
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mrttao said:
Long term project



they want the empire
The realm. My issue is that picking a political fight without the might to back it up is a mistake and also sunk cost chasing

Also i personally bandwagoned away from the mid choice so that we have a chance at some growth and maybe that is part of the issue. Since when only choosing between the two extremes many really dislike the empire option

Then agian. There was also the prophesy spam argument

Also. There is the destinct feeling of it being a short term goal in the votes.
Rather than never empire. Just a turtle for now. Empire latet
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It is most definitely not a short-term goal. You're outlining your plan for the next several months at least. In that time, you could carve out an empire the size of Alexander's, or greater!
 
[X] The Shining Metropolis

As others have said if we start the conquering it will turn Ayns Syn's attention to us when our attention would be elsewhere. This option on the other hand doesn't turn her attention to us, while we can still prophecy spam her.
 
Rihaku said:
It is most definitely not a short-term goal. You're outlining your plan for the next several months at least. In that time, you could carve out an empire the size of Alexander's, or greater!
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Important thing to note

Also. What is your feeling about the argument of using the political eroding of anys it supposedly bring combined with prophecy spam to seize the realm from her
 
Having a larger empire also makes us a larger target for attack, especially with all the enemies we will make.

Even if our army is stronger, we still would be quite weak to attacks from multiple fronts, as we can only be one place at a time, and our personal power accounts for a significant fraction of Luseng's military might. While having other celestials will help, they will not be able to openly aid us as I doubt many of they would be able to disguise their nature.
 
Neptune said:
[X] The Shining Metropolis

As others have said if we start the conquering it will turn Ayns Syn's attention to us when our attention would be elsewhere. This option on the other hand doesn't turn her attention to us, while we can still prophecy spam her.
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Nobody said that it will avoid her attention.
They said it will be leveraged into fighting her politically while avoiding the attention of the other major players
If we fight her via politics and prophecy then she will notice
Also. Can someone explain what prophecy spam is already?
 
Where does it SAY that we'd be outright Rebelling against the Realm in Seat of the Empire? Why wouldn't just be us conquering NEW territory for the Realm and then having the ABILITY to forge it into an Empire to use against Ants.
 
mrttao said:
Nobody said that it will avoid her attention.
They said it will be leveraged into fighting her politically while avoiding the attention of the other major players
If we fight her via politics and prophecy then she will notice
Also. Can someone explain what prophecy spam is already?
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http://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/exalted-most-high.15728/page-422#post-3251100

Those are prophecies. If we sit back and build up, it will give us enough time (personal actions in this case) to use them constantly, which will make their effects stack on top of one another which is a devastating tactic to whatever or whomever it is applied against.

This has great synergy with the Shining Metropolis as we wouldn't be a direct and visible threat for her to throw accusations at, we would secure ourselves defensively against any political means to strike at us, it gives us greater access to information making our prophecies better and it also would gains us the favor and loyalty of the City and its God.
 
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Why do people want to fight Anys politically when we suck at politics(comparatively). As opposed to militaryly when we are the best at in the world?
 
Could we do a remake of our time as Protector of the West and conquer Fae territories or whatever enemy of Creation is at hand rather than neighboring Realm outposts ?
Or could we target specifically kingdoms like the one we dealt with in the last Odyssey quest, with the god feeding on his people or something similar (I'm not sure of the details ) ?
 
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Honestly it's one of the things that disappoint me most with Odyssial's choices. He had the chance to take both Sorcery and the Peerless city and that would have been glorious. Imagine mortals becoming enlightened whether through training, charm, ritual or genesis, becoming sorcerers and masters of the terrestrial arts, improving medicine with alchemy, crafting and using artifacts, binding spirits and more.

They would have had a real impact on creation becoming the near equals of even the princes of the earth rather than citizens to be protected or mere cattle for prayer. But we have the chance to change that, let's become what Odyssial should have been, Odyssial reborn, and we'll start with this city, this new shining metropolis.

[ ] The Shining Metropolis

Edit: Well apparently mortals literally can't do that anymore. Prayer fodder it is.
 
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WorldSlayer said:
Honestly it's one of the things that disappoint me most with Odyssial's choices. He had the chance to take both Sorcery and the Peerless city and that would have been glorious. Imagine mortals becoming enlightened whether through training, charm, ritual or genesis, becoming sorcerers and masters of the terrestrial arts, improving medicine with alchemy, crafting and using artifacts, binding spirits and more.
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Most of that stuff is impossible in 3E. The only paths to power for mortals are 1) Exaltation (black market or otherwise), 2) Sorcery and Sorcerous Empowerment, and... some Artifacts. That's pretty much it. Massive-scale sorcerous empowerment should be possible, especially with Ambition 3 Solar Circle Workings and the like, but you really need one of those three to get anywhere. Now, if you had, say, some sort of powerful ally capable of creating gravestriders, you could have had a useful mortal military without those things, but the past is the past.
 
VanusDraco said:
Why do people want to fight Anys politically when we suck at politics(comparatively). As opposed to militaryly when we are the best at in the world?
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Well, you're not quite the best in the world, but it is a far greater relative strength, yes.

Aloysius said:
Could we do a remake of our time as Protector of the West and conquer Fae territories or whatever enemy of Creation is at hand rather than neighboring Realm outposts ?
Or could we target specifically kingdoms like the one we dealt with in the last Odyssey quest, with the god feeding on his people or something similar (I'm not sure of the details ) ?
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The main issue is that the Fae and Deathlords simply don't hold that much territory, and mortal territories are often much easier to conquer. But yes, you can make a point of attacking Creation's enemies first, if you're willing to accept severe impediments to your growth rate. On the other hand, killing Creatures of Darkness feeds you via Ambition's Annihilating Stroke, so you would be able to use yourself as a frontliner more often, which would compensate somewhat on the military front. Or, if you guys got something like Sorcery and the Perfected Elixer merit that lets you regenerate ALL your motes with one hour's meditation (i.e. training), you could improve your rate of advance much further, since most epic-scale battles requiring you to expend most/all of your motes take place less often, and you'd be able to shatter enemy armies by yourself, while your own army moves in to clean up and protect the land.
 
Neptune said:
http://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/exalted-most-high.15728/page-422#post-3251100

Those are prophecies. If we sit back and build up, it will give us enough time (personal actions in this case) to use them constantly, which will make their effects stack on top of one another which is a devastating tactic to whatever or whomever it is applied against.

This has great synergy with the Shining Metropolis as we wouldn't be a direct and visible threat for her to throw accusations at, we would secure ourselves defensively against any political means to strike at us, it gives us greater access to information making our prophecies better and it also would gains us the favor and loyalty of the City and its God.
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That gives us three choices for how to spend our time and calls thrm prophecy because this is exalted which is over the top flowery
Are you implying it's some sort of charm or some such instead which wr can stack
If so, how do we actually get more
 
It occurs to me that you can gain some solar allies with a prophesy in the metropolis.
Perhaps a compromise, where we spend some of the vast riches of the metropolis to maintain a bigger army than necessary and hire lots of mercenaries?

Also, work some sort of prophesy called let's say The Promised Land. Where the rumor of our Satrap as rich and diverse, and most importantly, safe from the reach of the Immaculate order. So that newly exalted Solars that's trying to escape the Realm will try to make for our safe harbor. With our connection in the Navy, and with Zao, we could possible even set up a sort of underground rail road for Solars/Lunars or even new Sidreals to escape the Realm and come work for us. This also plays well with prophesies that undermines the Immaculate order throughout creation and screws over Anys Syn's most important asset.
 
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