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I wouldn't call forging the River Province into a true nation capable of taking on the Realm to be "traipsing aimlessly through the wilderness." Nilul is absolutely more useful for diplomacy there than being sheltered at the Academy, which I will remind you has a tradition of being attacked. Anys Syn and the Yozis would both have reasons to hammer Seacrown in a bad turn of luck, whereas Nilul with Ulyssian is a moving target under multiple assumed identities with Odyssial as her immediate protector. There is at the moment very little that can be accomplished in the Realm diplomacy-wise that Ivory or Zao couldn't be trusted to handle; creating a power to rival Creation's sole superpower, on the other hand, requires a lot of high level finesse.

And people who want to stay behind still haven't addressed the glaring flaw of the problem that we are on a short timer. Sooner or later Resolute Flame will show up for his coronation, and if Ulyssian hasn't died by then Anys Syn is very likely to go "fuck it" and come after him with everything she has. By that point all the niceties and politics and traditions and institutions that protected him will not matter worth a damn. If anything a show of overwhelming force to crush the only really dangerous opposition will be useful. We underestimated Anys Syn once and now people think "hurr durr if we're really good we'll somehow become powerful in Dragonblooded society and then she can't touch us," which is stupid given she's already shown a willingness to escalate well beyond expectations and will within a year or two be in a position to sweep away all opposition inside the Realm.
 
So, while Cavalier's arguments and write-in are most potent, and convincing, I still have found myself writing a stunt/fanwork for Lusang. I'm going to post it not because it might be the best or wisest choice, but because it has the type of story that I want to see the most of right now. Though, just in passing, I'm kinda sad that if Sail had won we wouldn't even have been able to get on a ship before Anys tried to murder us indirectly. That just sucks!

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As Sesus Ulyssian considered his options he thought back and considered what had brought them to this point. It was clear that the battle with Cathak Polemgaos had been the final straw. It had broken something in Anys Syn. It had pushed her to extremes that even Admiral Zao had not considered plausible. Brute force and personal control were not the preferred tactics of most of the Sidereal Exalted, but it seemed that Anys Syn believed herself to have reached almost the final extremity. It was perhaps well that she did not feel without alternative, for if she had, the damage a powerful Elder Sidereal could do in her death throes was not to be underestimated.

It appeared that the Blade Ambition might have struck truer than he knew. Had he taken the opportunity it had granted to begin a Civil War it was unlikely that all the force of the Realm would be arrayed against him as they were. Syn had wrought her conspiracy well, her ability to truthfully say she was Hesiesh combined with her powers as an Elder Sidereal had allowed her to weld the Realm back into a semblance of unity. It was as yet a weak weld, one that could break if it faced too great a pressure, but if given time to set it could be the foundation for a stronger Realm.

On the face of it a stronger Realm meant that Creation itself had a stronger protector and that it would be able to survive the storm of foes threatening it. Unfortunately, it was unlikely that such a pleasant future would be the end result of Anys Syn's manipulations. She was performing a difficult and possibly unsustainable balancing act. Her direct control of the Realm competed with the thousand thousand responsibilities of the leader of the Bronze Faction, as well as the other duties that one of the Eldest active Sidereals would have accrued in a millenia long lifetime.

It was far more likely that at some point she would misstep in some manner, and one of the many enemies of the Realm would take advantage to begin an avalanche of chaos. As she lost control, every aspect of her life would begin to unravel with disastrous consequences. She would strive ever harder to maintain control only for it to slip through her fingers, for the supernal excellence of the Solar Exalted was beyond her, the Five-Score Fellowship was long broken, and the Lunars would care nothing for her or the Realm save to destroy them. Only the Dragonblooded would stand with her, and if her masquerade was revealed then the basis of Sidereal control of the Terrestrial Exalted would be destroyed.

Syn's plan was the fate of Creation writ small, surrounded by foes while playing a delicate game to weave between hostile forces, and with a better than even chance of a horrible doom for all concerned. Even her chosen tactics for dealing with Zao and Ulyssian were a reflection of her vastly reduced time. Rather than remove either of them directly, she had mitigated Zao's influence and manipulated Ulyssian's posting. Any of the options that had been put forward would be deadly to the vast majority of Exalted, let alone one as newly chosen as Ulyssian.

However, that did not mean they would be lethal to Ulyssian. By allowing the trap laid out by Syn to appear to function, Ulyssian would blunt her attack without the loss of his local assets. Alternatively, he could fade from the realm, fake his death with the aide of his Infernal allies, but then he would lose his place among the Great Houses, and his access to the resources of the Realm.

The threats facing Lusang were great enough that Syn would think them sufficient to end him. They had already claimed multiple powerful Dragonblooded and the situation appeared utterly hopeless, which was the only reason he had been offered a posting in a province so theoretically rich. It would take all of his efforts to do so, but if Ulyssian could defeat or otherwise remove the forces threatening Lusang he would be in a vastly stronger position than he now stood. His control of the Satrapy would be bound as if in Orihcalcum and he would have near total control of its resources and population.

What was more, the terms of the Satrapal Writ would give him greater legitimacy. It was not impossible that Syn would eventually command the Immaculate Order to remove him if he grew too strong, but even the divine word of the Dragons might come into doubt if it contradicted itselfwas his legacy too strongly. Repeated, written, and public acceptance as one truly favored by the Dragons would make it difficult to declare him Anathema. Not impossible by any means, but it would fracture the image of divine perfection that Syn required for her plan to function.

Serentidopolis was also an option for using Syn's tactics against her, but one less appealing to he who had been Odyssial. Navigating the morass of corruption and graft that enveloped the city would be difficult enough for him without touching upon the apparent Heavenly disfavor plaguing the populace. Ulysssian's strengths were greater in the arena of combat than in that of bureaucrats. It would not be wise to attract the attention of Yu-Shan any more than it would any other major faction's. Ulyssian had quite enough powerful people trying to murder or otherwise neutralize him as things stood.

In the end, turning Syn's own efforts to end him to his own ends appealed to Ulyssian. Using other parties underestimation of him to his advantage had long been a part of his life, and it pleased him to use the hostile works of an Elder Sidereal to his benefit. Turning certain doom into transcendent glory was his legacy and duty as a Solar Exalted, even in circumstances that would almost certainly defeat any other member of the Exalted Host. Mortals and Dragonblooded had learned the lesson well already, but now Anys Syn too would learn that Odyssian Finds A Way.
 
Are you guys really giving up Wake the Sleeper? You should not underestimate the strength of the enemies you face! Being mutated into a beast man is bad, but being killed is a lot less reverseable!
 
[X] Luseng
[X] Immortal Commander
[X] Wake the sleeper

Alectai made a very good argument for Immortal Commander, but, I really want to kill that Deathlord, and want to personally kill Syn. This seems the best way.
 
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Are you guys really giving up Wake the Sleeper? You should not underestimate the strength of the enemies you face! Being mutated into a beast man is bad, but being killed is a lot less reverseable!
Yes, but still no more than a big speed bumb for Odyssial. Though I have been meaning to ask: If we die now, will our next recipient of soul and Solar Exaltation reap the same benefits that Ulyssian did, meaning full reincarnation, or was that a one-time deal?
 
I wouldn't call forging the River Province into a true nation capable of taking on the Realm to be "traipsing aimlessly through the wilderness." Nilul is absolutely more useful for diplomacy there than being sheltered at the Academy, which I will remind you has a tradition of being attacked. Anys Syn and the Yozis would both have reasons to hammer Seacrown in a bad turn of luck, whereas Nilul with Ulyssian is a moving target under multiple assumed identities with Odyssial as her immediate protector.
Alternatively, Anys decides to move against Zao after his pet Solar was assassinated by Infernals, as he will be by that point her last true political opponent. It would actually be harder for her to do that in case Ulyssian remains a player in the Realm, exactly because he is. By your own admission the attack is likely to happen after the conflict in Luseng will have ended - meaning if she makes an outrageous move, it will generate outraged response from Ulyssian's newfound allies in Luseng.

Why are you so sure that this insane Sid will only strike if she thinks Uly is alive?

And people who want to stay behind still haven't addressed the glaring flaw of the problem that we are on a short timer.
Luseng situation is much quicker to resolve. In broad strokes: you go in, you kill everyone, the end. The enemy is known, their position is too.

By that point all the niceties and politics and traditions and institutions that protected him will not matter worth a damn.
If or when it finally dissolves into outright war, coming after her at the head of a Lunar army is a great way to make the whole Realm stand against him, including those who might be unhappy about her rule. If Ulyssian has proven to be a great defender of the Realm, on the other hand, and has loyal armies on the inside...
 
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Yes, but still no more than a big speed bumb for Odyssial. Though I have been meaning to ask: If we die now, will our next recipient of soul and Solar Exaltation reap the same benefits that Ulyssian did, meaning full reincarnation, or was that a one-time deal?

Nope. Odyssial had to undergo enormous travail to set that up, it certainly won't be replicated passively.
Alternatively, Anys decides to move against Zao after his pet Solar was assassinated by Infernals, as he will be by that point her last true political opponent. It would actually be harder for her to do that in case Ulyssian remains a player in the Realm, exactly because he is. By your own admission the attack is likely to happen after the conflict in Luseng will have ended - meaning if she makes an outrageous move, it will generate outraged response from Ulyssian's newfound allies in Luseng.

Why are you so sure that this insane Sid will only strike if she thinks Uly is alive?


Luseng situation is much quicker to resolve. In broad strokes: you go in, you kill everyone, the end. The enemy is known, their position is too.


If or when it finally dissolves into outright war, coming after her at the head of a Lunar army is a great way to make the whole Realm stand against him, including those who might be unhappy about her rule. If Ulyssian has proven to be a great defender of the Realm, on the other hand, and has loyal armies on the inside...

Simple, yes. Inasmuch as a three front war is simple. Easy, on the other hand...
 
Nope. Odyssial had to undergo enormous travail to set that up, it certainly won't be replicated passively.
Thought so, especially as it makes more sense narratively. And by the time we are there to do those preprarations again, or even further refine them with Adamant Sorcery, we have probably already won the game at that point.
 
Are you guys really giving up Wake the Sleeper? You should not underestimate the strength of the enemies you face! Being mutated into a beast man is bad, but being killed is a lot less reverseable!
What is known about the forces then (size, composition etc)? It's true that Commander places the bet on the DBs, and depending on the opposing forces even buffed several times over it may just not be enough. Placing all the eggs into one basket so to say.

If they greatly outnumber us, might be better to stake on Uly himself and target the enemy commanders.
 
What is known about the forces then (size, composition etc)? It's true that Commander places the bet on the DBs, and depending on the opposing forces even buffed several times over it may just not be enough. Placing all the eggs into one basket so to say.

If they greatly outnumber us, might be better to stake on Uly himself and target the enemy commanders.

I would say that Wake the Sleeper is the option that puts all your eggs in one basket - you still have plenty of combat power without Immortal Commander, it just makes you good at commanding armies on top.

However, Wake the Sleeper yields a lot more power than Immortal Commander - 5-10 Evocations rather than 3 Charms, and you get a useful Charm on top for rulership.
 
What's the useful rulership charm do exactly? I've had trouble finding any of these charms not in this thread. Though you may be happy to know the thread is the first thing that comes up in my google search for most of the charms I've tried to Google.
 
I would say that Wake the Sleeper is the option that puts all your eggs in one basket - you still have plenty of combat power without Immortal Commander, it just makes you good at commanding armies on top.

However, Wake the Sleeper yields a lot more power than Immortal Commander - 5-10 Evocations rather than 3 Charms, and you get a useful Charm on top for rulership.
But with Wake the Sleeper we still have Predictions for strategic influence.

Rulership has more long-term benefits, except maybe for restoring order and raising morale. Which, admittedly, will probably be pretty useful with the situation as it is. And for seamless consolidation of his power over the region I guess. Yeah, not bad.
 
But with Wake the Sleeper we still have Predictions for strategic influence.

Rulership has more long-term benefits, except maybe for restoring order and raising morale. Which admittedly will probably be pretty useful with the situation as it is. And for seamless consolidation of his power over the region I guess. Yeah, not bad.

You have Prophet of 17 Cycles with Immortal Commander, too?

What's the useful rulership charm do exactly? I've had trouble finding any of these charms not in this thread. Though you may be happy to know the thread is the first thing that comes up in my google search for most of the charms I've tried to Google.

Adds your Essence in non-cap dice to math-related rolls. You become one step closer to Number Man, basically.
 
I had to ponder this for quite a while, but if we are going to war, I think we should have War Charms. Having them will give us time by being able at least delay the forces marching towards us, and that time will hopefully allow us to grow stronger. Getting Wake the Sleeper and/or Absolutely Unbreakable as a supplemental Titles later depending on the needs seems like a good idea to me.

[X] Luseng
[X] Immortal Commander
 
[X] Wake the Sleeper

Been waiting for the opportunity to take this ever since it was first mentioned. Whatever path we end up taking will have us engaged with dangerous exalts, what are a few pesky (but reverseable) mutations and a bit of mindrape when compared to getting murdered to death? :rofl:
 
[x] Luseng
[x] Immortal Commander
Strategy Power a go-go, primarily because we're going to need it. Not that being even more of a monster in direct combat isn't fantastic, or immunity to MIND CRUSH isn't a good thing, but at the moment I'm feeling the need for that Sun Tzu vibe.
 
I see we are intent on making the same fucking mistake yet again.

No one has submitted a concrete plan on how to leverage the Satrapy into removing the problem of Anys Syn. There is a whole lot of wishful thinking about how once Ulyssian pulls off the impossible twice he'll totally have a huge loyal army and Anys Syn will sit on her ass and totally won't install Flame as Emperor. That she won't be using her assets in the Realm to destroy overt opposition and likely allies. That she won't transfer Ulyssian as soon as he is successful and disperse his "loyal" troops through the Realm and replace their commanders with Dragonblooded loyal to Flame.

No, no, we'll have all the fucking time in the world to build a faction from scratch and Anys Syn won't do a damned thing to break it up, undermine it, and render it incapable of concentration. And though she tore up the rules once she certainly won't do the same thing yet again once she has enough force to cow the Houses which certainly isn't what her plan hinges on being able to do anyway.

No, let's assume Ulyssian can beat an Elder Sidereal at her own game where she lays out the cards and has all the advantages.

Oh and whine about how building an independent superpower and throwing down the most powerful Deathlord in Creation isn't interesting or political enough.
 
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