Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

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Dear reader! Whether you are new here, archive-reading and whatnot, or you are already someone who has been with us for quite a while, I would like to say a few words that I believe are best kept close to mind.

-This is an MLP quest. And more importantly, none of us are gratuitously cruel. So good things will happen on this quest, and I hope that enough good things have already happened to prove that.
-This is also a horror quest, so bad things will happen. Bad things might happen to good characters if you are not able to protect them, and you most certainly will not be able to intervene if you lack the tools to do so.
-And finally, this is a quest in which you jostle with powers greater than yourself, with all that it entails.

Please, do keep those things in mind as you go forward. But ultimately, this is also a quest in which it is hoped we all have fun! So if any of the above points is not exactly your cup of tea, or somehow make the experience as a whole "not worth it", then this quest might not be for you. Which is fine! Individual tastes are a thing, so don't think any more about it if you don't want to read anymore. And regardless, I hope you have a lovely day!

PSA for whoever needs to hear it:

Readers should take their own mental health into consideration when voting and not subject themselves to triggering narrative elements like rape or constant mental torture of a friend just for the Greatest Good of a world that doesn't exist.

If those are fine for you or Regrettable is even more triggering, then GREAT! More power to you. But you aren't a bad or selfish person for picking the option that keeps the characters you've emotionally connected with safe. [REDACTED for spoiler warning]

This is a high intensity quest that doesn't hold back when it comes to horror and negative consequences. Take care of yourself.
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[Princess Luna is now missing, she is nowhere to be seen in Canterlot after the "unexplained explosion" destroyed half the castle. Every last mare and stallion in service of the crown has been called for to search for her.]

[And it would be best if she is found soon. After all, Despair is the Wolf that devours thought.]
Well... I do hope our Master has a plan to get to Luna before that.
I don't mind the dead, as long as our local reality doesn't experience a fate worse than death. Pile of bodies, bigger pile of not even bodies. Pick one.

Hopefully the Moth aspect does lend itself to finding those who are hidden, especially when in throes of madness.
 
Optimism: we can use this to get princess celestia on-side.
Picture it:
"Velvet. Why have you called a gathering?"
"I bring an initiate."
"If you can find my sister, I will do whatever you want."

Only issues are a: getting her the message of "there are people in ponyville who might be able to help" and b: not getting, you know, arrested and/or killed

Fortune favors the bold, and all that.
 
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32 seems low for half the castle being obliterated but then again I suppose we're not seeing the many injured currently missing limbs and wings.
dude they're ponies. Have you seen how resilient these things are? Honestly anything short of a kill shot is probably something they can bounce back from given time.

Although even if the ponies are as resilient in this quest as they are in the show I think we should invest some of our next turn into learning some Edge lore as an upset Alicorn filled with protective sibling instinct and murderous rage at someone who would dare harm her beloved sister is something that I doubt even show level resilience could survive. Plus after seeing what those shadow things in the dream realm can do to someone some form of self defense is probably reasonable.
 
an upset Alicorn filled with protective sibling instinct and murderous rage at someone who would dare harm her beloved sister is something that I doubt even show level resilience could survive.
Sure, this is why we get her on our team. I don't know much about the ponyverse, but all the characterization I've seen of celestia is of someone who would forgive anything for the sake of her sister. We are capable of finding her sister, and are practitioners of the kind of anything that needs forgiveness
 
So the big question to me is less about all these deaths but more uh, sure we can probably find Luna, but how the heck do we explain how we found her or even explain to her how we knew she needed hugs?

And what she really needs is knowing she is not in the dream anymore and how the fuck do you tell that without totally outing us self.?
 
I was going to point out that ruining Luna's reputation to have ponies turn against the alicorns would probably be Master's preferred path if we can't turn Luna but we have been reminded that we don't know what happened after Luna woke up. For all we know, we realeased Nightmare Moon again and it was a worm that blew up the castle.

On more practical matters, should we lean on Lantern to find Luna or on Heart to calm her down when we do? Lantern seems like the obvious choice but so does not being vaporised.
 
Wolf's Due Dice roll: 32 ponies dead.
And with this. People may move forward unclouded by doubt, and once more certain of their own righteousness.

It's true what they say. Silky would be a tragedy, but thirty odd strangers... just lacks the impact no?

I had too much fun to be mad though. I will cover the fire, and save it for the next batch of dead ponies.

Because there will be more. A lot more. Killing after all, gets easier the more you do it.
 
hmm, well i'd say this has been a grand success on our parts, this tragedy is sure to get folk looking towards new means of safety, plus with no one (Celestia excluded) knowing who caused this, the country is now in a much better position for our Cult to insert it's roots into.

Granted we might have to deal with some ethical concerns from a few sources inside, but hey that's the way things go for establishing a new Order
 
I mean, she doesn't either- it's why I'm so eager to try to get her on side- we know how to prevent this happening again.

The only safety from the Worm, after all, is escaping their notice. Who better to escape notice than the Moth?
 
So the big question to me is less about all these deaths but more uh, sure we can probably find Luna, but how the heck do we explain how we found her or even explain to her how we knew she needed hugs?

And what she really needs is knowing she is not in the dream anymore and how the fuck do you tell that without totally outing us self.?
I figure we could try and find her in the dream world and just pose as a lucid dreamer and from there see if we can't introduce her to the Mansus and let her natural curiosity drive her closer into our cult to gain knowledge.

Sure, this is why we get her on our team. I don't know much about the ponyverse, but all the characterization I've seen of celestia is of someone who would forgive anything for the sake of her sister. We are capable of finding her sister, and are practitioners of the kind of anything that needs forgiveness
Honestly I don't think we have an in to get Celestia to join our cause. Yes she wants to get her sister back but if you lost someone and some random yahoo comes out of nowhere saying they can show you ways to help you find your missing someone but only if you join their cult right after you lost them wouldn't you be a little bit suspicious? Honestly I think the only way we could get Celestia to join would be to first get someone else she cares about or trust to join and try to get to her through them. So basically we'd need to get Luna to join or twilight at this point. Though I would HIGHLY suggest AGAINST getting twilight involved right now as her loyalty to Celestia is absolute and she tells her beloved teacher/second mom everything and after what just happened the last thing we want in attention of any kind looking our way.
 
Or maybe i'd just be chased away from the forum by the internet equivalent of a pitchfork carrying mob. I suggested this same crossover on another place, some time ago, and that was the reaction i received there.
I'm sorry, but I just have to answer to this specific bit: If that was the reaction you got to simply an unusual crossover idea, you were clearly on the wrong forum and you're better off here.

quests are mostly, I've found, a trinity thing: Sufficient Velocity, Spacebattle, Questionable Questing. They're the big three, and on these nearly anything goes (with most (but not actually ALL) of the nsfw vm18 content going on QQ). Ohter websites don't really count that much in comparison. I know of maybe another that has somewhat decent quests on it, and I can't remember its name right now.

And on a final Quote-note, someone mentioned a doubt about "how other Cult Masters would plan to save Equestria" if you had chosen other aspects to define your cult.
That was an interesting thought experiment, during the first turns, and let us say...
Although i am a Winter enthusiast, as a human being i think its good that you didn't chose that direction.
And as a (sorry excuse of a) writer, i am personally thankful that you did not pick Grail.
so, I imagine that Winter would have been something really cruel, like killing most of the light.

Grail you probably didn't want because it would be even harder to write, so... maybe we'd have to persuade all the powerful beings of the setting? Alicorns, Discord, Tirek, Chrisalis... unless it would have been trying to talk with the Worms themselves... which I can't imagine working AT ALL.

Knock is probably escape to another dimension, Lantern making people and factions aware of it, Forge/Edge probably some kind of combat, Heart would likely be finding ways to make you immune to them, and secret histories would probably search for an answer in the far past...

Also, in that fight with Tirek, it was the power of four Alicorns... against literally the entire rest of the world, including Discord IIRC.
Not quite the rest of the world. A decent percentage of Equestria's population though.


Your sister is getting better. You know it.
...well, she was.

It has been centuries now that almost every single moment of your day is planned and counted, sometimes down to the very second, and it has been centuries now that you have given up even your meals so you could attend more meetings or take care of more issues.

...Celestia and Luna REALLY need to learn to delegate more. Celestia with her meetings, Luna with her dream duties. Surely it has to be possible to teach other ponies how to dreamwalk?

Of course they'd be more vulnerable to the shadow beings, but Luna could either escort them to the various doors, or they could learn the needed Lores/Magic to protect themselves.

And those eyes look at you, directly at you, and you see that they recognize something that summons from within her a sensation that you cannot describe. As if she is looking at anything else, but not at her beloved older sister.
...oh, poor Luna.

so predictable, and yet so tragic. Hopefully she'll recover.

You quickly look around you, tension rising within you as your experienced eyes analyze the full extension of the damage.



Half the castle is gone.

...ok, this is a BIT beyond what I expected!



Shining…? Oh, Shining Armor, the stallion she has been going out with. You remember vaguely that he is captain on your Royal Guard, probably, and something tells you that he knows somepony else who is close to you…
damn, she's REALLY out of it!

[Princess Luna is now missing, she is nowhere to be seen in Canterlot after the "unexplained explosion" destroyed half the castle. Every last mare and stallion in service of the crown has been called for to search for her.]
...ok, we'll want to be the one to find her. I'm not sure just how much we should tell her, but we NEED to be the one to find her!
Wow. We nuked a city already. Nice.

Seeing people justify this is gonna be grand.
I'll just point out it was half a castle, not a city.

I wonder if the Master expected this to happen and he just didn't care/accepted its cost, or if it took him by surprise..
Because she was trapped in a looping nightmare and, by circumstance, woke in a way identical to the start of the loop. Not aware that she had woken up, she acted in pure panic. Any deaths were not intended, or not even considered a possibility as she thought she was still in the nightmare, and a result of her using an explosion to nope herself out of there faster than she could fly.
on that note, once she recovers and realizes what she did we'll have a NEW outbreak of severe guilt to deal with.

Or, well, she will.

-Wolf's Due Dice roll: 32 ponies dead. Interpret that number as you may, the damage was done to the castle, not the city, but this is an extremely personal opinion. To some, it might be far, far better than expected, to others Velvet's hoofs might as well be as stained as Comet Feet's and Windy Flakes'.

my personal opinion

1)if the Master WANTED this to happen, I'm going to leave the cult and likely try to work against him. It's one thing to have accidents happen, another to willingly cause them.

2)If the Master suspected this would happen, but thought it was an acceptable cost, I'd want to leave the cult but maybe be willing to work with him from, say, under the princesses, if needed. I'd certainly want to keep his actions under control as much as possible to limit damage, but he DOES have precious knowledge we (and Equestria) likely need, and the answer to a morally ambiguous/uncaring character (but not an outright evil one) is to try and use them for good rather than trying to kill him, at least as long as he can be useful. He's a dangerous asset, but an asset nonetheless.

3)If the Master didn't expect things to go like this and is surprised by it I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Ponies died, but we're basically at war. Deaths are inevitable.

Generally speaking I'm cautious of the Master, his objectives and his methods, but not completely set to go against him yet. Just... let's say halfway there.
I figure we could try and find her in the dream world and just pose as a lucid dreamer and from there see if we can't introduce her to the Mansus and let her natural curiosity drive her closer into our cult to gain knowledge.
I doubt lucid dreamers can actually travel from one dream to another though. That seems like something that would conventionally require dream magic, and only Luna seems capable of it.

Though I would HIGHLY suggest AGAINST getting twilight involved right now as her loyalty to Celestia is absolute and she tells her beloved teacher/second mom everything and after what just happened the last thing we want in attention of any kind looking our way.


Dear Princess Celestia,

Today I learned that while sometimes your friends can act in a suspicious way, you should always give them the benefit of the doubt and not let your imagination jump to the worst case scenarios. You should also always give them a chance to explain things, no matter how bad it looks.

Also I joined a cult. Rarity really makes the culty look work, by the way.

Your Faithful student,

Twilight Sparkle.
 
I doubt lucid dreamers can actually travel from one dream to another though. That seems like something that would conventionally require dream magic, and only Luna seems capable of it.
I figured that we just found our own door by mistake within our own dream and through it stumbled into the dream scape. Besides although we didn't try I don't think we could go in any of the doors we saw. If you meant showing her from the dream world to the Mansus, well we had to cross a bridge to get into the dream world, we can just BS that we stumbled upon that as well while exploring.

Dear Princess Celestia,

Today I learned that while sometimes your friends can act in a suspicious way, you should always give them the benefit of the doubt and not let your imagination jump to the worst case scenarios. You should also always give them a chance to explain things, no matter how bad it looks.

Also I joined a cult. Rarity really makes the culty look work, by the way.

Your Faithful student,

Twilight Sparkle.
yeah that's pretty much what I'm afraid of. Until her friends started taking up the friendship report duty for her that girl had no filter with her royal penpal. Doesn't help that she seems to send a letter to Celestia for every little problem that pops up.

Dear Princess Celestia

I'm sorry to bother you before the sun even has risen but I come to you with a most urgent question!

Do you know where I left my house keys? I swore I left them in the kitchen but spike said he'd have seen them while cleaning and the library is going to open in an hour and I can't exactly let people in if I can't unlock the door for them. I mean what am I to do?! have them come through my window like Rainbow Dash?

Your faithful student

Twilight Sparkle
 
Generally speaking I'm cautious of the Master, his objectives and his methods, but not completely set to go against him yet. Just... let's say halfway there.
I kind of feel our character luckily is in a home space that allows this kind thoughts, while we trust the Master, our character have shown to be caring, we have pretty obviously not been pushed to a point where we show casual disregard for human life yet so if it was the masters plan all along it would probably be pretty shocking.
 
I figured that we just found our own door by mistake within our own dream and through it stumbled into the dream scape. Besides although we didn't try I don't think we could go in any of the doors we saw. If you meant showing her from the dream world to the Mansus, well we had to cross a bridge to get into the dream world, we can just BS that we stumbled upon that as well while exploring.
We don't even know if Lucid Dreamers CAN see the doors.

I think that if we're going to meet her in the dreamland there's little point in not revealing directly how we can travel to the dreamland from the Mansus.

I'm wondering just how much we should tell her though.

I think I'd want to tell her the source of her nightmare/memory unlock,but not immediately. She first needs to recover and not be as unstable.

Of course it might be dangerous. After all the Master (and us by association) are responsable for the death of 32 ponies. WORSE, we had HER kill them!

I think we could convince her we didn't expect her to react that way, but that doesn't make things right. Still, she's likely to acknowledge that knowing about the shadow creatures/worms is important. We might be able to convince her that, if she works with us, such tragedies won't be necessary for whatever the next steps are going to be.

We might even believe it ourselves.
I kind of feel our character luckily is in a home space that allows this kind thoughts, while we trust the Master, our character have shown to be caring, we have pretty obviously not been pushed to a point where we show casual disregard for human life yet so if it was the masters plan all along it would probably be pretty shocking.
yeah.

Generally speaking I want to reach the point where we're strong/important/Well connected enough that we can somewhat control the master, stopping him from the most inhuman plans.

His a powerful asset, if used right, but he's dangerous.

KInda like Discord actually.
 
KInda like Discord actually.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -C. S. Lewis
 
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -C. S. Lewis
which is why, while I'm fine working with the Master if needed (and it probably IS needed), I REALLY don't want him to stay in charge with nobody being able to tell him No.

That's a big part of why I wanted to start working with the princesses as THEIR cultist/lore researcher. I expect they would at least listen to their advisors, and consider alternative courses of action.

For example, did our Master consider at all going to the princesses and reveal to them of this threat? To ask for permission to unlock Luna's memories in search of knowledge needed to fight the darkness?

I expect at least Luna would have agreed, and with warning of what could happen this whole problem could have been averted.

Just as an example, Luna was reliving a memory. They could have had her sleep in an unfamiliar place, or have safe words to say that would give her an objective way to know when she was truly awake, or Shining Armor ready with a shield spell to contain her outburst.

There WERE other ways to go about this. Of course the Master might not have considered them, or dismissed them as "too risky". They're not what Moth is about after all.

convincing them diplomatically might have been the plan for Grail/Lore I think
 
For example, did our Master consider at all going to the princesses and reveal to them of this threat?
They are alicorns. And "The Cult" states, all of them are perversions and abominations. And they are definitely against what Moth is about, since alicorns are unchanging withing the order they represent.
I very much suspect, that Celestia and Luna would see higher-tier Loremasters abominations as well or at least as something completely untrustworthy and inherently suspicious. After all, high-level Loremaster barely qualifies as a pony at best.
Sidenote, I wonder what Changelings are int this universe
convincing them diplomatically might have been the plan for Grail/Lore I think
Graail isn't about diplomacy, it is about seduction and taste of forbidden pleasures.
 
They are alicorns. And "The Cult" states, all of them are perversions and abominations. And they are definitely against what Moth is about, since alicorns are unchanging withing the order they represent.
I didn't quite read it as such, they are not perversion as much as they do not fit, they are outsiders (and therefore abominations), trying to enforce their own world order on ours, which is the real perversion. Our goal specifically is about either killing or recruiting Luna, and if we believe she can be recruited, there is no reason to believe that her existence itself is antithetical to the Cults goals.

In either case thats more philosophy where the cults goal as stated is about hiding our world, and the alicorns protecting and stoking the flame is a danger to that, as we are obviously willing to work with abominations (lee we wouldn't have a recruitment goal) I see no reason for the master to not attempt to stop allicorns through a warning first, he may just very well be consumed too much by the concept of moth making the idea unthinkable to him.
 
The moth claiming that Alicorns are an unnatural abomination that must be purged is probably more of a political move than an informative one.

The moth for example is likely just as unnatural and harmful in its own way. But would claim that's justified because it "needed to protect the world".
 
I mean, it also applies to just being pleasant.
yeah, but I remember Velvet waking up to wet sheets.

Also Rarity being a tease to Spike.



I also doubt the Master believe Alicorns to be intrinsecally bad. It's politics/different goals. He wants to hide Equestria from the darkness, they are stoking the light that attracts the darkness itself.

After all in Luna's dream sequence he said that Alicorns were "invited" into the world by Harmony. That kinda implies that they're, at the very least, not contrary to the nature of the world (unless we assume the world itself to be evil or uncaring, in which case why shouldit matter to us).

Basically, it's not their nature, it's what they're currently doing. He might also believe that, due to defining them as "unchanging" he doesn't think that words would be enough to make them change their course of action
 
yeah, but I remember Velvet waking up to wet sheets.

Also Rarity being a tease to Spike.



I also doubt the Master believe Alicorns to be intrinsecally bad. It's politics/different goals. He wants to hide Equestria from the darkness, they are stoking the light that attracts the darkness itself.

After all in Luna's dream sequence he said that Alicorns were "invited" into the world by Harmony. That kinda implies that they're, at the very least, not contrary to the nature of the world (unless we assume the world itself to be evil or uncaring, in which case why shouldit matter to us).

Basically, it's not their nature, it's what they're currently doing. He might also believe that, due to defining them as "unchanging" he doesn't think that words would be enough to make them change their course of action
It's more that by painting them as such he has a justification for say... killing them. Or mind controlling them. You know.
 
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