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Hm, it might have been a more contested vote if the other two options were, say, Guilliman and Sanguinius. Guilliman being placed in the role of Lorgar's guide would have been just as ironic and hilarious as Corax being assigned this position. As for Sanguinius, well, it is self-explanatory.
 
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Perhaps they would act as the metaphorical devil and angel over Lorgar's shoulder.

Hm, Lorgar does seem to have shifted his counterpart's position ever so slightly, which is impressive. As noted, Daemon Prince Lorgar went from saying that Chaos is inevitable and that the other Lorgar could not resist it forever to simply telling Lorgar that Chaos is inevitable and to save what little he can when the time comes.

If Lorgar interacts further with his Daemon Prince counterpart throughout this vision quest, one wonders if Lorgar can further shift his counterpart's position. With his Essence awakened, Lorgar has achieved true enlightenment and opened his eyes to cosmic truths. Perhaps he might be able to help his counterpart attain true enlightenment as well, at least help him reach one step closer to it.

This conflict is a social one, after all. It will be a disucssion and debate.
 
The Lion is tempting due to unbreakable will and how that virtue defends against the warp.

Corax is tempting, if I remember correctly he's the one that chased deamon Lorgar into a tower right? After whooping him. Intrigue is needed when facing a larger threat and is a scapal instead of a hammer when facing Chaos. Finding their shadows when they infiltrate is just as important. Some Primarchs didn't fall due to personal failing but their Children falling first and betraying them.
 
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Hm, it might have been a more contested vote if the other two options were, say, Guilliman and Sanguinius. Guilliman being placed in the role of Lorgar's guide would have been just as ironic and hilarious as Corax being assigned this position. As for Sanguinius, well, it is self-explanatory.
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I had all the Loyalist Primarchs as an option initially, but cut it to these three as Sang is as dead as Horus and Guilliman is in Stasis and not available. Vulcan is nowhere and the Khan is in the Webway.
 
[X] Corax, the Shadow:
–Master of stealth and tactics, Corax represented freedom and the fight against oppression. His determination to bring justice to the oppressed was unwavering.
 
Updated both your sheet and that of Lorgar. Let me know if I missed something.

Will work on converting the Ebon Dragon charms and Prayer charms.

Then only Lorgar's Mythos powers are left. After the vision quest, you can directly purchase powers for Lorgar at 10xp each.

Can someone total how much xp was earned in the 3 turns?
 
[X] Corax, the Shadow

I can't not think of TTSD Corax from the Bro Trip webisodes.

That's reason enough to vote Corax. . .
 
Hmm... looking at the MA charms I think Lorgar is very much a glass canon primarch wise. He can beat a more physically focused adversary, but he has to burn a lot of Essence. He is going to get mote tapped fast with only 10, so he wins in the first few rounds or not at all. That makes sense in terms of the narrative since Lorgar's power isn't intrinsic to his legend it is born of understanding and being able to conscious use his Mythos.
 
Updated Lorgar's powers. Each cost 10xp but I am still determining how much xp Lorgar will get. Keep in mind that developing powers from Mythos is HARD. Normally, a Primarch has to go through hell and back to gain such powers.

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Seeing as we are about to have 60 odd XP to spend the following charms will be broken down into Buy Now/Buy Later/Buy as Needed, or in other words things I feel Lorgar needs or could really use right now, things which are nice to have but not really important at the moment and things which are more circumstantial which we probably only want if those circumstances seem likely

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LORGAR'S MYTHOS POWERS
You Can See Me?
System: Lorgar gains the following benefits:
  • Perceive dematerialized beings.
  • Become aware of supernatural beings nearby. Though you do not know what type.
  • Make a Mental + Sagacity roll against difficulty (5 + Opponent's Stealth or Socialize) to gain clues to their nature, one clue per success.
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Buy now. This is Witchsight+ basically, it will keep him safe from being spied or attacked by de-materialized beings such as daemons and psykers while also giving him an edge in physical and social combat
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Your Heart's Desire
System: Roll Mental + Awareness against their (Social + Socialize). Success allows:

SuxParticular
1What they want currently.
2The reason why they want that.
3The background on why they think they want that.
4What they think they want above all others.
5Complete information about what and why they want something.
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Buy later, it will be very useful when he meets other primarchs and other movers and shakes of the Imperium, but while still on planet he can make due with mundane insights.

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Living Lie Detector
System: Lorgar can roll Mental + Awareness against their (Social + Socialize) for the following effects depending on the number of successes rolled.

SuxParticular
1The general knowledge on if the opponent is being truthful or not.
2How much is true and how much is false.
3Which part of the sentence is true and which is false.
4What the character thinks is the truth.
5Details the target themselves doesn't know, such as information on if it is objectively true or not.
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Buy later, second verse same as the first, he is already very very good at the socials and is unlikely to come up against people that he will need to lie detect with god-magic, but if he could get this off against his brothers or even the Emperor... ho boy. I mean Golden Boy isn't known for his stealth is what I'm going to say. Might work on a good roll

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Unspoken Plan Guarantee
System: Lorgar can make a Mental + Bureaucracy roll with a difficulty of Base to research and determine the Tasks needed to form any kind of organization at one success per Task. This can also be used to expand an existing organization and the optimal way to make that and other changes.

After the first roll, Lorgar may freely continue to make Mental + Bureaucracy rolls, at one roll per day until they reach the required successes. One success is enough to reveal the Tasks at the rate of one success per task needed but Lorgar needs to accumulate a total of Size of the organization (substitute Battlegroup based on the number of people employed) x 2 successes to complete the planning.
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Buy now, we have a planet to organize and 70 people to do it with. Fan is also not that good at bureaucracy.

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Crazy Enough to Work
System: Lorgar can make a Mental + Bureaucracy roll with a difficulty Base to determine the Tasks needed for a Project to target a specific organization or enemy project at one success per Task. This expansion can also be used to defend an existing organization from dangers. The difficulty rises based on what the PC wants to achieve. This cannot target individuals directly but can be used to tear down their image, reputation or other things they care about.

After the first roll, Lorgar may freely continue to make Mental + Bureaucracy rolls, at one roll per day until they reach the required successes. One success is enough to reveal the Tasks at the rate of one success per task needed but Lorgar needs to accumulate a total of Size of the organization (substitute Battlegroup based on the number of people employed) x 2 successes to complete the planning.
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That planet we need to organize, we also need to uplift. Buy now and call him Papa Budget Smurf.

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The World is Mine
System: Lorgar can make a Mental + Ability roll with a difficulty Base to determine the Tasks needed for a Project to influence or take over an organization at one success per Task. The difficulty rises based on what Lorgar wants to achieve.

After the first roll, Lorgar may freely continue to make Mental + Bureaucracy rolls, at one roll per day until they reach the required successes. One success is enough to reveal the Tasks at the rate of one success per task needed but Lorgar needs to accumulate a total of Size of the organization (substitute Battlegroup based on the number of people employed) x 2 successes to complete the planning.

Note: Just because there are only 5 Tasks per project does not mean they are easy or doable in short periods of time. Discuss this with the Storyteller.
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Buy later, I think we can figure out what we need to do to take over the planet without the charm and after that this will be useful in the Empire, especially if we go conquering. He's the social primarch so knowing what he needs to do to take a place with little or no violence is useful as all heck.

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Sell you a Bridge
System: Lorgar can roll Mental + Ability at base difficulty to determine the full value or worth of an object, favor or something and how to leverage it. This allows Lorgar to add or subtract Successes difficulty from any Social Influence roll by anyone who is trying to buy or sell that thing. Whether Lorgar succeeds or not depends on how well they roll on Social.
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Buy as needed, it is a neat power, but circumstantial and will only come into its own once and if we plan to do big trades, probably after we meet the Emperor

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Omniglot
System: Lorgar can read, write and speak all languages a human is capable of doing so. This counts for the purpose of teaching others the language but this charm does not protect them from any ill effects or enhance Lorgar's ability to teach them. (This explicitly allows Lorgar to learn Enuncia and speak it without exploding, though it does not help with collateral damage or other dangers inherent to Enuncia.)
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If it were not for the Enuncia thing I would call this a pretty minor charm but as is and with that synergy, buy now. Each of the three words we can teach him on their own are as powerful as any of the stronger charms he can master.

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Compelling Voice
System: Lorgar can roll Mental + Awareness against their (Social + Socialize) and knows what to say to reduce an intimacy. Lorgar is treated as having a sufficient Intimacy of higher value needed to reduce targeted Intimacy by one degree, i.e from Major to Minor and Minor to none. The effect lasts depending on the successes rolled.

SuxTime
1One hour
2One day
3One Week
4One month
5One year
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Buy as needed, maybe he can make Mortarion not hate him as much as he inevitably will, but it is high risk high reward because if he notices...

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Gaslighting
System: Lorgar can roll Mental + Awareness against their (Social + Socialize) and they know what to say to invert a targeted Intimacy from positive to negative, tainting and tarnishing the memory with the right words. Whenever Lorgar reduces a positive Intimacy of another character, they can invert the Intimacy instead. The effect lasts depending on the successes rolled.

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1One hour
2One day
3One Week
4One month
5One year
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Buy as needed, like the above but even more skeevy and liable to get him in trouble if noticed

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Insidious Rumor Mill
System: Lorgar can roll Social + Presence/Socialize against their (Social + Socialize) and knows what to say to cancel out an Instill or any other social influence roll of an opposing character on a third party. Lorgar is treated as having a sufficient Intimacy of higher value needed to increase or reduce targeted Intimacy lowered or raised by the enemy social action by one degree, i.e from Major to Minor and Minor to none. The amount of people Lorgar can affect depends on the success rolled.

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1By base, a number of equal to a Size 1 Battlegroup.
2By base, a number of equal to a Size 2 Battlegroup.
3By base, a number of equal to a Size 3 Battlegroup.
4By base, a number of equal to a Size 4 Battlegroup.
5+By base, a number of equal to a Size 5 Battlegroup.
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Buy later, Chaos will be coming for us sooner rather than later and this is a good counter to some of their meddling, but I do not think we should worry about this until we actually have the planet

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Rousing Speech
System: Lorgar can roll Mental + Awareness against their (Social + Socialize) and knows what to say to inspire his troops. Whenever Lorgar raises a positive Intimacy of another character or group of characters, he can raise it by one more degree, ie. from 0 to Major, from Minor to Major and if it is already at Major, inspire the person and change their Archetypes. The effect lasts depending on the successes rolled.

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1One hour
2One day
3One Week
4One month
5One year
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Buy now, this is what we would use to take the planet, motivate the slaves to rebel etc...

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The Victim Must Be Confused
System: Lorgar can roll Mental + Awareness against their (Social + Socialize) and knows what to say to mentally confuse an opponent. Whenever Lorgar reduces an Intimacy of another character, they can instead cause the character to confuse the truth with lies, causing them to misinterpret the context of the Intimacy. The effect lasts depending on the successes rolled.

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1One hour
2One day
3One Week
4One month
5One year
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Very circumstantial, buy as needed. It makes more sense to use those rolls to grind down the intimacy with similar rolls than it does to go for a short term play like this unless you are in some kind of time crunch

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Hide the Evidence
System: Any clues Lorgar leaves behind on his actions taken during a scene degrades or if they already do, degrades one Interval faster. Videos and recordings become corrupt, memories fade and so on through a series of coincidences that appear implausible but well within the bounds of possibility. In addition, all Characters will need to roll Willpower against the Lorgar's (Physical/Mental + Stealth/Socialize) to avoid misinterpreting the clues and evidence.
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OK, who let the Ebon Dragon into the kid's charms... Oh, it might have been us oops. :V

Useful but not immediately so. One should probably have a plot in mind before you take the cover-up charm so buy as needed.

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Clark Kenting
System: Lorgar appears "unremarkable" to any forms of observation, both magical and mundane that are not specifically looking for him. In such cases, they are dismissed as inconsequential unless he is blatantly or directly recorded/seen doing something extraordinary or provocative. If he is taking some indirect action that would reveal them or make them feel out of place, the character can spend a point of Willpower and make a Willpower roll against the Lorgar's (Physical/Mental + Stealth/Socialize) to attempt to acknowledge and investigate him.
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This is a hilarious power for a nine foot tall giant, for that alone, buy later.

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Mind of Steel
System: Any attempt to cause or force Lorgar to betray, undermine, or abandon his Intimacies automatically fails. Furthermore, he becomes immune to all thought and emotion-altering magic.
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True Faith can already do most of this, buy as needed

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Eyes of the Primarch
System: Reduce the difficulty of all Social influence rolls against characters whose Intimacies are known, at -1 difficulty per Intimacy. Archetype provides a -2 difficulty reduction.
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This is basically a social excellency, we should definitely buy it later when we have the XP to spare.

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Voice of the Primarch
System: Any Social influence rolls against subordinates are granted Mythos reduction in difficulty. Subordinates for these charms, includes those who swore fealty at sword point.
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Very useful for when we take the planet, there are going to be a lot of people with their own ideas about how to do things. Persuasion will be necesary so buy now

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Laws of the Primarch
System: All direct actions taken against a Subordinate who has broken Lorgar's rules or betrayed him have their difficulty reduced by -3 until they earn his forgiveness. This only applies to actions taken Directly against the Subordinate that Lorgar knows has betrayed him or has disobeyed one of his rules.
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Only does anything once you get betrayed, this is the definition of circumstantial and not a circumstance we want to come about. Buy as needed.

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Craft of the Primarch
System: All direct actions taken by Lorgar or his subordinates to directly maintain and directly defend against any attempt to cause or force them to betray, undermine, or abandon their Intimacies to or are a part of, from any attack, corruption or anything else that would affect it negatively have their difficulty reduced by -3. NOTE: They must be able to resist it for this to apply.
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Chaos and general betrayl protections on the other hand is useful and will continue to be so. Buy later.
 
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DragonParadox said:
This is a hilarious power for a nine foot tall giant, for that alone, buy later.
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At some point it might be useful to give Lorgar the Shapechange mutation, so he can adopt a more conventional human sized form.

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Updated Lorgar's powers. Each cost 10xp but I am still determining how much xp Lorgar will get. Keep in mind that developing powers from Mythos is HARD. Normally, a Primarch has to go through hell and back to gain such powers.
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Can we develop a charm (Gifts of Greater Glory?) to expand VEE to be able to grant him Mythos Powers?
 
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Alratan said:
Can we develop a charm (Gifts of Greater Glory?) to expand VEE to be able to grant him Mythos Powers?
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Not charms per say so no. Even otherwise, GoGG is a charm I am not sure to allow as it serves no purpose right now. You are locked in what Yozi you can take and need to unlock charms. Lorgar is limited by xp.

So that charm is something I would need to think about.
 
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