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Digging for Nations in the Desert (No SV, You are a Micronation in the End of the World)

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Tetra said:
short range is a cardinal sin if you're trying to blast a plane from the ground.
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Thing is, MANPADs suck against anything flying high and fast or that can take advantage of terrain extremely well to deny shots.
Still, air defense is basically dependant on building up from the lower layers.
We have the lowest layers, now we need SHORAD and medium range defenses(eg Pantsir, Tor).
 
cryptoam said:
Thing is, MANPADs suck against anything flying high and fast or that can take advantage of terrain extremely well to deny shots.
Still, air defense is basically dependant on building up from the lower layers.
We have the lowest layers, now we need SHORAD and medium range defenses(eg Pantsir, Tor).
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Interesting! I'd have figured it'd make more sense to take something like an existing large explosive delivery system and work out how to optimize it for hitting planes, rather than starting with a small anti-air missile and making the bigger ones from there.

Well, at least we're moving in the right direction. Hopefully we can move fast enough.
 
The best is the RADAR-aimed AA. But well....
There are counters in circulation ensuring you can't rely only on those.
Namely the Anti-RADAR missiles that home in on detected RADAR, and combined with how AA needs to not get sniped to stay working, fielding a variety of types is probably best...
 
Themarineguy said:
The best is the RADAR-aimed AA. But well....
There are counters in circulation ensuring you can't rely only on those.
Namely the Anti-RADAR missiles that home in on detected RADAR, and combined with how AA needs to not get sniped to stay working, fielding a variety of types is probably best...
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Interesting.
So are these also stealth anti-RADAR missiles? 'Cause by default I'd assume that if they try to solve our ability to pop their missiles with missiles then we take 'em out the same way.
 
Tetra said:
Interesting.
So are these also stealth anti-RADAR missiles? 'Cause by default I'd assume that if they try to solve our ability to pop their missiles with missiles then we take 'em out the same way.
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Specifically, they are missiles designed to home in on Radar emitters. So they can be deployed out of range of the AA, and then it would pick up on the radar waves and aim at the source of the Radar waves. Which honestly would make such an idea unlikely to work, since simply not emitting radar would foil the lock-on system. But also, radar being off would mean it can't be used to aim at said aircraft.
 
Themarineguy said:
Specifically, they are missiles designed to home in on Radar emitters. So they can be deployed out of range of the AA, and then it would pick up on the radar waves and aim at the source of the Radar waves. Which honestly would make such an idea unlikely to work, since simply not emitting radar would foil the lock-on system. But also, radar being off would mean it can't be used to aim at said aircraft.
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So the solution is to get AA going around the radar, so that it can blast incoming missiles before they'd knock out the radar?
 
Tetra said:
So the solution is to get AA going around the radar, so that it can blast incoming missiles before they'd knock out the radar?
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...Possibly, if we find a way to knock out the missile before it gets to the radar. Which likely would either need some major radar tied to AA some distance from it, or a system that doesn't use radar, in which case it might just be better to forgo radar entirely and use that on enemy aircraft...😅
Edit: Best bet is probably go full redundancy, fielding a variety of different AA tools and accept it is very unlikely we would be able to prevent all bombing runs. But of course we can do the best to make it very costly, and possibly ensure they only get one or two runs before getting shot down.
 
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Themarineguy said:
...Possibly, if we find a way to knock out the missile before it gets to the radar. Which likely would either need some major radar tied to AA some distance from it, or a system that doesn't use radar, in which case it might just be better to forgo radar entirely and use that on enemy aircraft...😅
Edit: Best bet is probably go full redundancy, fielding a variety of different AA tools and accept it is very unlikely we would be able to prevent all bombing runs. But of course we can do the best to make it very costly, and possibly ensure they only get one or two runs before getting shot down.
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This is fair. We probably can't generate enough missiles fast enough to handle the combined arsenal of our enemies even if we had infinite range, so cheaper, lower range stuff still has uses.

For reference Bir Tawil, which we currently control, is 2060km2​. That's about a third of current day Palestine.
I wonder if we could parley the adjacent Halaib Triangle off our neighbors at some point.
 
So, Nanomachines... I'm thinking my omake might involve some mercenary medic coming up with the basic concept and starting to tinker around with polymer based processes involving the ludicrous amounts of oil we have, along with working with the people of Apple for figuring out how and what to do. How does that sound?
 
dgr11897 said:
So, Nanomachines... I'm thinking my omake might involve some mercenary medic coming up with the basic concept and starting to tinker around with polymer based processes involving the ludicrous amounts of oil we have, along with working with the people of Apple for figuring out how and what to do. How does that sound?
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I doubt we're getting nanomachines any time soon unless there's a handwave so large it doesn't matter what explanation you go with. If you're really gunning for said handwave, though, I think going the purely electronic route is a mistake. We know from our world how hard it is to miniaturize computers, and it took us a hell of a lot of work to get to where we are now.

If you aim for something biological, or better yet a biohybrid system, then there's a lack of information we have as to how that goes (and even to some extent what's already available, a lot of bioscience is discovering some weird little microorganism that does something cool and aggressively ripping it off). That lack of data makes the notion of actually giving us nanomachines more plausible from a Doylist perspective, at least.

That and I do unironically think biotech is going to be a good direction to go in this quest. Planning to make that part of an upcoming Agriculture R&D roll, just didn't want to do it until it was a little temporally closer to the real world equivalent since we started in the mid 70s.
 
Biotech nanites... Yeah, those could be cool. What kind of biotech are you thinking in general by the way?
 
dgr11897 said:
Biotech nanites... Yeah, those could be cool. What kind of biotech are you thinking in general by the way?
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GMO crops were where I was planning to start. Recombinant DNA tech just becomes possible in 1970, and the agrobacteria plasmid that lets us use existing bacteria to modify plants was discovered in the early 70s. The first transgenic crop was made in '83 in our world (and it's tobacco, which is not that useful). Methods continue improving from there, of course. Figure we could try to close the gap between technically achievable and actually done, now that the rest of the world has had a little bit to play with the introductory tech.

I was also inclined to lean our agricultural research towards using the big pile of water but since the most recent answer to that was "come back when you can control the weather" I think it's time to change tactics. Might try for some kinda greenhouse-skyscrapers before the GMO route, since we were informed that the bottleneck we're hitting is infrastructural. Plants do seem like a good first step on the biotech front, anyhow.
 
I'd prefer advancing vertical farms and aquaponics before trying GMOs. The technology just isn't there yet.
 
Also, lads, gonna be a few days till the update, mostly because I'm splitting it into multiple parts.
 
Plus, someone somewhere likely has got some relatively advanced genetics we may want to get. Guangchou has those mecha and useful tech associated with it. And somewhere, someone got stuff from that nazi catgirl stormtrooper project.
 
Ramble said:
I'd prefer advancing vertical farms and aquaponics before trying GMOs. The technology just isn't there yet.
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That seems reasonable. I'm hoping that once we can get there it'll leave us with our foot in the door for other genetic techs, but it would make sense to give it a bit longer since we have some other stuff to do.

Aquaponics is a good idea. I mean, right now we have a ton of water but hopefully this way we can retain it. Better than hydroponics, anyhow.

Themarineguy said:
Plus, someone somewhere likely has got some relatively advanced genetics we may want to get. Guangchou has those mecha and useful tech associated with it. And somewhere, someone got stuff from that nazi catgirl stormtrooper project.
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...What?
 
Tetra said:
I'd have figured it'd make more sense to take something like an existing large explosive delivery system and work out how to optimize it for hitting planes, rather than starting with a small anti-air missile and making the bigger ones from there.
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In terms of the next stage up(eg vehicle borne SHORAD), we can basically just scale up our MANPADs(more notably, the actual motor) to squeeze that extra range out.

However, the next level will definitely need a redesign. An IR seeker is effective in the 5km range and could with tech that we likely will not get soon be extended to a 15km range. However, for medium range SAMs, we need something on the order of 50km. That means either command guidance(eg system sends commands to the missile) or some form of radar guidance(eg SARH, ARH, etc). Problem there is that the easiest methods(and hence the ones that can be done by us atm) will leave us vulnerable because of the needed radio emissions. That means the enemy can fire ARMs at us to suppress our defenses. At that point though, we definitely need a dedicated pipeline for all our air defense needs.

Also, expect costs of everything to start going up.

Anyways.... wait a sec
Are we using active laser illumination?
WTF. Are we basically doing Blowpipes but with lasers?... We will need to train our troops well if we want any degree of effectiveness then.
Well, at least that means we can go down the Rapier route for SHORAD then?
 
Magoose said:
Reward: "Created" The MARS (Multi-Purpose Assult Rifle System) 1
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Should've been MPAIRS (Multi-Purpose, Assault Infantry Rifle System,) that way there could be MPARRS (Recon Variant with longer barrel,) MPABRS (Breaching, basically the same but with a shorter barrel, maybe even pull a 'barrel goes through the rifle' thing that I've heard pretty nice things about.)

Did I just Justify my joke about how a rifle 'Impairs' you by building an entire family of rifle variants? Yes.
Do I regret it? No.
 
Tetra said:
...What?
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Well, it is mostly conjecture. But in the other quest, we got confirmation that someone somewhere got a nazi stormtrooper program where they tried to make disposable stormtroopers....
HeroCooky said:
Transgenic Disposable Supersoldier thing you can chuck at your enemies with no regards for its survival. May or may not have been altered in the last 30~ years after the Reich fell.
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HeroCooky said:
Mechs with Catboys are the only divergence in this Timeline. Aside from Guangchou, of course.
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HeroCooky said:
You currently do not know. Though if I had to guess, I'd look somewhere... with beer.
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So someone may or may not have a respectable lead in biology...
And that someone may be known for their beer.
 
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Negaquest Discussion Thread for Elisabeth Spencer
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    Negaquest Discussion Thread for Elisabeth Spencer

    Looks like we're finally heading back to the triangle. Good lord, I felt like we were waiting forever in Russia.

    Yeah, the dice really fucked us over after that assassination attempt on Li Mia. I've never seen so many negative dice rolls in a quest before. It's a miracle we even lived.

    Well, I did warn you all that the bomb plan wasn't a good idea. We should have at least tried diplomacy first. I think things could have worked out. Sure, she's a socialist and we're a communist, but there are no enemies to the left, right?

    Do you really think that we could ever trust anyone from a country as degenerate and crazy as Guangchou? She'd probably slit our throat in our sleep for not approving of gay people or something. Besides, someone with such a egotistical title for themselves would never agree to be our subordinate. We would always be constantly on edge, waiting for the inevitable stab in the back.

    This might be a unpopular opinion, but honestly, maybe we should just think about setting up our commune somewhere else? I just can't help but wonder if this is really worth the trouble. What about Grenada? That place is ripe for a communist revolution.

    Bruh, we couldn't even defeat Li Mia when she only had 500 mercenaries. Do you think we could handle an invasion from the US?

    We can't give up on the Bir Tawil Triangle for two reasons. One, our Soviet intelligence says that there's enough oil buried there to last for centuries. CENTURIES. Do you have any idea how many communist revolutions we can fund with that kind of money? And second, the Mercenary Queen is too dangerous to be left alive. As long as she breathes, we'll always have to worry about her planning her revenge.

    For the record, I really do like this quest and I mean no offense to the author, but I am really questioning if it's even possible to win anymore when Li Mia is so ridiculously overpowered. I mean, just think about it. While we've been licking our wounds in Russia, Li Mia's humiliated Egypt's military, overthrew the governments of Smith and Mugabe and ended the Bush War, got herself recognized by over half the nations of the world at the United Nations, and she's close to bringing an end to the civil wars in both Egypt and Sudan. How the hell can anyone accomplish so much so quickly while dodging more asssassination attempts than Castro?! It's like we're not even fighting a human, but a goddamn force of nature at this point.

    Hey, maybe you're onto something about her not being fully human.

    What in the fuckity fuck

    All I'm saying is that there are some crazy rumors floating around about how some Nazi technology made its way to Guangchou during the end of WWII. Maybe, it would be worth trying to get a sample of her DNA and investigate it. See if there's anything unusual about it.

    Don't lose hope just yet, comrades. I will admit that we haven't exactly made much progress in spreading the communist revolution or restoring the Empire to its former glory, but it's not like we've been doing nothing. We've been building up connections, stirring up hatred against Outer Heaven and it's finally about to pay off. Soon, both the Soviet Union and China will invade Outer Heaven and we'll drown that bitch in a sea of blood and tears.

    Yeah, until Li Mia makes some bullshit dice combo and pulls out a nuke on our ass.

    Don't jinx it.

    Now, you're just being pessimistic. Li Mia doesn't even have the materials to build nuclear weapons. What's she gonna do, pull one out of the ground like a carrot?

    Motherfucker, I said don't jinx it.
     
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