Jack Hansan
Well, that happend.
- Location
- Inverness, Scotland
I prefer Harriers or Typhoons.
Command: Modern Air & Naval Operations: Let's Play and Expansions
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ROURKE
You don't prefer Harriers. Deployability is the only thing the Harrier has in its favor.
SeaDart
Ritsu, I'm already a demon
Harriers are completely inferior to F-35s in every way possible and Typhoons can't into A2G missions or AESA radar.
Jack Hansan
Well, that happend.
- Location
- Inverness, Scotland
I just don't like how expensive and...delayed the F-35 is. I'd rather fly a Buccaneer than a F-35. For real.
Jack Hansan
Well, that happend.
- Location
- Inverness, Scotland
At least I got shot down by a jet that isn't delayed and almost/is over budget right now.
SeaDart
Ritsu, I'm already a demon
When you could be laughing maniacally and shooting them all down from your fancy F-35 Augmented reality interface...
Careful with that edge, you'll hurt someone.
Jack Hansan
Well, that happend.
- Location
- Inverness, Scotland
*shrugs* I just don't see what's so special about it apart from the "stealth". F-16 is a pretty good plane though.
Typhoons I can see, but harriers versus the F-35 as a carrier plane? Seriously?
SeaDart
Ritsu, I'm already a demon
STOL capabilities? Advanced avionics? Supercruise(in a fashion)?
F-16 is almost at the end of it's development cycle with CAPES. F-35 provides a much newer airframe with increased compatibility and power generation for future avionics fits that the F-16 simply cannot take.
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Jack Hansan
Well, that happend.
- Location
- Inverness, Scotland
I still don't like F-35. Seriously, $112 million per unit.
Agree with you on the F-16 though.
But this getting off topic (I think) now. Let's go back to the topic on hand that is poaw attack Greece.
poaw
The opposite of Doja Cat
Update to avoid the F-35 derail:
I achieved localized air superiority over the Ionian Sea. I took advantage of this to burn some of my AShM inventory on reducing the Greek ships I've spotted so far. Fairly typical attack a round of my least capable missiles fired, their defense exhausted their defensive missile inventories, follow on attacks by more AShMs and Harriers (strafing even). I managed to sink all but the MEKO frigate (2 PCFGs and another FFG sunk). Now the Greek AF has rallied and is once again contesting my me over the Ionian Sea....
In the middle of all that, this pops up:
Lemme tell you about shit I don't want to see as I'm already worrying about whether my missile inventories will last or if I'm going to have to start throwing airframes into their teeth...
And I haven't even touched Greece itself yet.
I achieved localized air superiority over the Ionian Sea. I took advantage of this to burn some of my AShM inventory on reducing the Greek ships I've spotted so far. Fairly typical attack a round of my least capable missiles fired, their defense exhausted their defensive missile inventories, follow on attacks by more AShMs and Harriers (strafing even). I managed to sink all but the MEKO frigate (2 PCFGs and another FFG sunk). Now the Greek AF has rallied and is once again contesting my me over the Ionian Sea....
In the middle of all that, this pops up:
Lemme tell you about shit I don't want to see as I'm already worrying about whether my missile inventories will last or if I'm going to have to start throwing airframes into their teeth...
And I haven't even touched Greece itself yet.
poaw
The opposite of Doja Cat
I've settled into a comfortable routine as far as the air war is concerned.
I hang out providing air cover for my ships, the Greeks contest with F-16s. I completely maul the F-16s until my Typhoons run out of AMRAAMs, at which point I lose a couple Typhoons that are winchester, at which point I kick on the burners and arrange a rendezvous with a tanker...the Greek response is to keep pressing up to the Italian coast. I throw up some back up fighters in the air and have them buster down (I pull them from the airfields farther away) and kill more F-16s and dodge a few missiles in response...the Greeks respond by pressing in and shooting at backline.
The first time this happened I got lucky that they missed every shot they took, including a WVR shot on my only (!) AWACS, the second time they banged two tankers.
I have a tactical dilemma now. Namely, I can't afford to keep losing tankers otherwise my strikers won't be able to even reach Greece. But if I take my tankers off-station I'll have to reduce my fighter cover over the Ionian Sea, not to mention not even attempt to scout the Greek IADS so I can start peeling it back to allow my strikers in.
I'm also consciously putting the problem of the Hellenic Navy out of my mind for now. I'm kind of hoping they just keep sitting there like garnish not interfering with my operations (much, I have to route around a ESSM sized circle with their FFGs in the center), because they've already made an attack against one of my carriers. I shut it down and killed all the F-16s involved but they got close enough to release, which is no beuno (that will use up my supplies of defensive missiles, at which point I have to sail 300nmi away to keep it safe).
I hang out providing air cover for my ships, the Greeks contest with F-16s. I completely maul the F-16s until my Typhoons run out of AMRAAMs, at which point I lose a couple Typhoons that are winchester, at which point I kick on the burners and arrange a rendezvous with a tanker...the Greek response is to keep pressing up to the Italian coast. I throw up some back up fighters in the air and have them buster down (I pull them from the airfields farther away) and kill more F-16s and dodge a few missiles in response...the Greeks respond by pressing in and shooting at backline.
The first time this happened I got lucky that they missed every shot they took, including a WVR shot on my only (!) AWACS, the second time they banged two tankers.
I have a tactical dilemma now. Namely, I can't afford to keep losing tankers otherwise my strikers won't be able to even reach Greece. But if I take my tankers off-station I'll have to reduce my fighter cover over the Ionian Sea, not to mention not even attempt to scout the Greek IADS so I can start peeling it back to allow my strikers in.
I'm also consciously putting the problem of the Hellenic Navy out of my mind for now. I'm kind of hoping they just keep sitting there like garnish not interfering with my operations (much, I have to route around a ESSM sized circle with their FFGs in the center), because they've already made an attack against one of my carriers. I shut it down and killed all the F-16s involved but they got close enough to release, which is no beuno (that will use up my supplies of defensive missiles, at which point I have to sail 300nmi away to keep it safe).
ZeroXSEED
Economic Authoritarian Muslim Leftist
- Location
- In the name of orange!
- Pronouns
- He
In the middle of all that, this pops up:
Lemme tell you about shit I don't want to see as I'm already worrying about whether my missile inventories will last or if I'm going to have to start throwing airframes into their teeth...
And I haven't even touched Greece itself yet.
Have you secured the insertion route yet?
obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
So neo-nazis got in power with Greece? The scenario should have included some German aircraft on your side for the ironiez.
That depends: are they carrying weapons on external pylons?
That depends: are they carrying weapons on external pylons?
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poaw
The opposite of Doja Cat
poaw
The opposite of Doja Cat
In order to save some of my missile inventory I maneuvered a submarine into position to make an attack on the tightly group Greek fleet to the north. All went according to plan (it better if I'm using such gamey tactics).
Th attack went off with only a couple minor niggles. 1) I put 3 torps on the FFG and one each of the remaining patrol craft, one torpedo failed to pick up it's assigned patrol craft and went after the FFG instead 2) They counter-launched on me and my evasive maneuvers took me out of range for a re-attack. I sank all but the targeted PCG, and killed that with a follow-up attack with Harriers armed with Mavericks.
Almost instantly when that happened, a Greek submarine dumped it's full load of Harpoons on my SOUTHERN CVBG. I beat the attack, but it used up a lot of my stockpile of missiles. With my tankers way off station my CAP aircraft are dying to a new problem, the Greeks keep throwing F-16s and AMRAAMs at my Typhoons forcing them to maneuver and burn fuel, and occasionally force them so far and so low on fuel that they run out and crash. As a result of my inventories of long-range SAMs being depleted and fighters need to travel farther off station to refuel, they've been able to punch through and shoot down my ASW helicopters screening my surface ships.
On top of all that the airbases closest to the fight are running out of AMRAAMs, I'm actually only loading the fighters there with 4 AMRAAMs now instead of 6 and only firing 2 missiles per target (instead of 4) as a form of rationing. The Greeks seem to have no shortage of airframes to throw into the ocean, and their full court press is paying dividends.
Th attack went off with only a couple minor niggles. 1) I put 3 torps on the FFG and one each of the remaining patrol craft, one torpedo failed to pick up it's assigned patrol craft and went after the FFG instead 2) They counter-launched on me and my evasive maneuvers took me out of range for a re-attack. I sank all but the targeted PCG, and killed that with a follow-up attack with Harriers armed with Mavericks.
Almost instantly when that happened, a Greek submarine dumped it's full load of Harpoons on my SOUTHERN CVBG. I beat the attack, but it used up a lot of my stockpile of missiles. With my tankers way off station my CAP aircraft are dying to a new problem, the Greeks keep throwing F-16s and AMRAAMs at my Typhoons forcing them to maneuver and burn fuel, and occasionally force them so far and so low on fuel that they run out and crash. As a result of my inventories of long-range SAMs being depleted and fighters need to travel farther off station to refuel, they've been able to punch through and shoot down my ASW helicopters screening my surface ships.
On top of all that the airbases closest to the fight are running out of AMRAAMs, I'm actually only loading the fighters there with 4 AMRAAMs now instead of 6 and only firing 2 missiles per target (instead of 4) as a form of rationing. The Greeks seem to have no shortage of airframes to throw into the ocean, and their full court press is paying dividends.
This is when you wish you had these nice Rafales and their wonderful Scalp stealth missiles to destroy all the Greek radar coverage, right?
