can you give me examples? I'm not good with history or geopolitics. And I'm taking about things where the person themselves is part of the oppressed group

Most examples would still be relevant today, which means that people will angrily respond "no, no, that person isn't an ambitious asshole, they're a true freedom fighter!" Then it's a tossup as to whether he or the original poster gets banned.

So don't expect many answers, though I can think of several good ones.
 
Okay, through its kind of hard to know if they truly cared about the cause they claimed to champion but got corrupted through power. Or if they where always bullshiting , or they still cared about their cause but made Hard decisions TM or a mixture of the three.

see Napoleon from Animal Farm AKA Pig Joseph Stalin


For once in fiction a want a militant group fighting for (insert Black people, animal ears, mages, erct,) with a leader that genuinely believes their cause and is framed as the good guys. Most "good" rebellions in fiction fight for a more nebulous freedom for the country's. And not a specifics group emancipation.
 
Okay, through its kind of hard to know if they truly cared about the cause they claimed to champion but got corrupted through power. Or if they where always bullshiting , or they still cared about their cause but made Hard decisions TM or a mixture of the three.

see Napoleon from Animal Farm AKA Pig Joseph Stalin


For once in fiction a want a militant group fighting for (insert Black people, animal ears, mages, erct,) with a leader that genuinely believes their cause and is framed as the good guys. Most "good" rebellions in fiction fight for a more nebulous freedom for the country's. And not a specifics group emancipation.

As I recall the Halfblood Chronicles by Mercedes Lackey and Andre Norton had humanity enslaved by elven high lords who treat them at best like cattle right down to 'culling' those they decide for one reason or another to be undesirable and half elves who were forced to live in hiding lest the elves exterminate them which left little doubt that the elven high lords are evil bastards and those opposing them aren't so that might be to your taste though the series was never finished as the cowriter Andre Norton died before the forth book could be finished.
 
On another less politically charged topic.

why are Swamps seen as evil in fiction? And even in terms of phrases like "drain the swamp" wetlands are very important to the ecosystem and are facasnatimg
 
On another less politically charged topic.

why are Swamps seen as evil in fiction? And even in terms of phrases like "drain the swamp" wetlands are very important to the ecosystem and are facasnatimg
They're generally not places were people or civilization are present.

Swamps aren't productive land, they're obstacles for agriculture that need to be drained and reclaimed. That makes them an easy location to stuff all the scary and dangerous stuff, everything that doesn't fit in.

You see a similar trend with similarly inaccessible places, like the deep and dangerous woods in folklore, or the jungle in later fiction.

Interestinly, there seems to be a bit of a renaming going on
Swamp -> wetland
jungle -> forest

Edit : You also notice that in the folklore of people who actually live in the swamps or depend on it, swamps are portrayed more positively.
 
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Because humans find them unpleasant and dangerous, therefore folklore paints them as evil. Same reason as wolves, snakes, etc…

not all folklore portrayals Snakes and Wolves as evil. That's a very Eurocentric thing. In Native American folklore both Wolves and Snakes are portrayed more positively. Japanese Folklore had positive depictions of wolves and farmers would leave offerings to them
 
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On another less politically charged topic.

why are Swamps seen as evil in fiction? And even in terms of phrases like "drain the swamp" wetlands are very important to the ecosystem and are facasnatimg

As bodies of still freshwater, they are also the home of many diseases, from waterborne bacteria ad viruses, to parasites, to breeding grounds of disease transmitting insects (mosquitoes and malaria being one famous example, we only got a malaria vaccine in 2020)

So biodiverse, but deadly.
 
As bodies of still freshwater, they are also the home of many diseases, from waterborne bacteria ad viruses, to parasites, to breeding grounds of disease transmitting insects (mosquitoes and malaria being one famous example, we only got a malaria vaccine in 2020)

So biodiverse, but deadly.
Are not lakes also bodies of fresh water and their for also breeding grounds for bacteria and viruses?
 
On another less politically charged topic.

why are Swamps seen as evil in fiction? And even in terms of phrases like "drain the swamp" wetlands are very important to the ecosystem and are facasnatimg
Swamps are associated with disease. In ancient and medieval times, when they believed that illnesses are the result of toxic gasses coming out of the ground, the miasma - well, what region fits more to that than damp swamps? But actually, it's not that far fetched. While the miasma theory is obviously untrue, swamps do harbour a lot of insects, which can carry diseases. Like mosquitos carrying malaria. As such, in tropical, subtropical or even just mediterranean climates, swamps near settlements can be an actual health hazards.

As well, fairy tales and the like often served as warnings to children, and it is probably a good idea to warn children not to go into the unsafe, pathless bogs where they can easily get lost or fall prey to wild animals. The same reason the dark forest was associated with evil in fairy tales. You definitely don't want a child to go run off to to there, either.

Are not lakes also bodies of fresh water and their for also breeding grounds for bacteria and viruses?
Lakes are typically moving water, with an influx and a drain - one or more rivers flows into it, one river exits it. They can be pretty, uh, slow moving, with some brackish parts, but on the whole, they are moving. Meanwhile, swamps are typically standing, stale water. They are all brackish.
 
Can't stand is possibly bit strongly put.
But i am kinda tired of the relatively normal or downright beautiful, villain turning into a monstrous form.
We need more heroes (not protagonists, heroes), who get monstrous (no, turning into a hunky lizard is not monstrous enough) transformation powerups.
 
More ugly villains turning beautiful when they gain power.

Through that goes to being more Humanlike equals more powerful. I'm looking at you Digimon.

also why is so much Hentai rape? And with ugly as fuck monster dudes doing the raping.

and with pieced nipples ouch. That hurts. Try being into erotic hypnosis and not wanting girls being turned into brain dead cum dumpster who can't do anything but fuck which sounds annoying
 
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Well, I don't know - if I saw how the hero turns into a monster ... then I would have decided that he had at least problems.
 
Opposable thumbs are in fact the next step in evolution, and should be represented as such-
 
Beauty equals goodness don't you know?
 
Can't stand is possibly bit strongly put.
But i am kinda tired of the relatively normal or downright beautiful, villain turning into a monstrous form.
We need more heroes (not protagonists, heroes), who get monstrous (no, turning into a hunky lizard is not monstrous enough) transformation powerups.
You can take Lady D from my cold, dead hand Valmond! :V

IIRC, one of the heroes from Invincible had monstrous form they'd transform to.
 
A villain becoming a monster in form as well as soul is meant to embody that they have lost the last bits of their humanity and there's nothing to be held back in fighting them. It's the cosmos essentially giving permission to kill the villain as they transform from something the protagonist can identify with into some horrendous Centipede-Octopus-Cancer-Dragon-Hydra-Wombat.
 
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