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That may partially be because Palpatine was a massive racist and killed a lot of the nonhumans.
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And because the majority of human fiction is written by humans! Your species is so xenophobic.
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And because the majority of human fiction is written by humans! Your species is so xenophobic.
Also, it's a lot cheaper and easier to put humans up in the live-action media.
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Yeah, but still - kinda would have liked to see more in the Rebel and New Rep's ranks.
Yeah, there's such a dearth of background ali- oh wait. There's not. They just don't ever get to be heroes with a few minor exceptions.
serra2
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Putting a dude in a static alien mask is super cheap. Putting a dude in a mask and makeup that allows him to emote,act, and talk actively in a scene is super-hard and expensive.Yeah, there's such a dearth of background ali- oh wait. There's not. They just don't ever get to be heroes with a few minor exceptions.
tankdrop24
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Maybe so, but whenever someone going on about how great humans specifically are, they are almost certainly a villian.
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So's CGI, but Star Wars took to an obsession with that in the 00s and Disney's not exactly skimped on the budget either.
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Regarding Star Wars... eh its mixed. One the one hand there are numerous alien species depicted and their status as aliens for the most part isn't even commented on. In particular unlike a lot of sci fi setting there is a singular galactic civilization, rather than each alien race having their own distinct empire or be a client of one. On the other hand, humanity is the clear majority (and utterly dominates important film roles even among the rebels) with aliens often coded as racial/ethnic minorities and foreigners. The emphasis of Empire as humanity first only enhances that metaphor.
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Try CJ Cherryh's work, she's pretty good at writing that stuff.
The Foreigner series is mostly about humans and another species' culture interacting. The Chanur series is about aliens interacting with one human in the series period (and he's not the viewpoint!).
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I'm tired of politicians and diplomats in fiction and fanfiction that make Trump look like a mature and composed elder statesman by comparison.
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Hey, lets be more fair.
Your tired of seeing politicians and diplomats in fiction act like Donald Trump.
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Yeah like I'm reading the latest fanfiction rendition of Mass Effect Council Triad as played by ignorant pompous shouty assholes. Complete with the first contact race raising all the usual complaints. I mean to be fair, things like how the Batarians, Krogan, and Quarians were handled, the Spectres and limited Council seats, the bans on AI and genetic engineering, all of those are legit concerns for a race to have. But they always conveniently managed to research them all and deliver a cloying moralizing response to the Council. This is of course after the usual Turian offering to Khorne.
For once I'd like a fic where the Council is diplomatic. Or if unwilling to do so have the Turian member be all "its called real politik, you wanna be next fuckboi" rather than just throwing an impotent temper tantrum.
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This is oddly specific, but...I hate it when fantasy RPGs devote an inordinate amount of time to prostitutes and brothels. It sometimes seems that, if there's an RPG, then there's going to be a quest line that takes you to a house of ill repute (or multiple quest line). Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age II, The Witcher games, they all seem to indulge in this the trope and it's bloody annoying. Sometimes I wonder if Frank Miller is secretly behind these games.
At least Planescape: Torment tried to put a twist on this whole business, where the "brothel" only serves to satisfy intellectual lusts.
At least Planescape: Torment tried to put a twist on this whole business, where the "brothel" only serves to satisfy intellectual lusts.
Yea. Like, Mass Effect made "and Asari are strippers!" a very visible thing. It wasn't necessarily and it's always blatant.
CJ Cherryjh's Foreigner series is the ur example of a series with good ones. Or the Skolian Saga, for a mil SF.
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NemiTheNen
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A particular form of canon shitting.
If you're going to twist canon, at least know what canon is in the first place.
Where is this coming from?
So I wandered back into JRRT fandom and jesus fuck the thinly veiled SI OFCs shacking up with elves.
But, guys, guys. Elves don't cheat, they like, only remarried once in their entire history and that ended in tears, going outside their species is hideously rare, like there's, what, only two times it happened, and only once it was with a human, the other time it was with a Maia or something?
I'm not super into the fandom, I could only make myself read the Hobbit, but you know, I wikiwalk, I do my research, you know, stuff.
Like, I legit understand that they're kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place, either they have the Valar okay the marriage and are more canon compliant, but look even more sue-ish than before, or they don't and they just look dumb.
It's admittedly possible that they are well written fics and everything and I'm just not giving them a chance, but...their summaries do not fill me with confidence.
If you're going to twist canon, at least know what canon is in the first place.
Where is this coming from?
So I wandered back into JRRT fandom and jesus fuck the thinly veiled SI OFCs shacking up with elves.
But, guys, guys. Elves don't cheat, they like, only remarried once in their entire history and that ended in tears, going outside their species is hideously rare, like there's, what, only two times it happened, and only once it was with a human, the other time it was with a Maia or something?
I'm not super into the fandom, I could only make myself read the Hobbit, but you know, I wikiwalk, I do my research, you know, stuff.
Like, I legit understand that they're kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place, either they have the Valar okay the marriage and are more canon compliant, but look even more sue-ish than before, or they don't and they just look dumb.
It's admittedly possible that they are well written fics and everything and I'm just not giving them a chance, but...their summaries do not fill me with confidence.
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Are you sure about that?
IIRC, there are several (or at least some) characters, even people who are mentioned just in passing, who are said to have some far back elven blood in them. At least unions with Numenorians there seem to have been, because you know, Numenorians are the other Suetopians
And Elves are in fact quite capable of of deceitful and hurtful behaviour, see the Fall of the Noldor. Of course, once Elves do that, that basically always makes for epic drama, but, uh, that's kinda what those stories are supposed to be...?
And lastly, the Valar okaying the marriage? Since when is that necessary? Arwen simply chose Aragorn, and that was that.
NemiTheNen
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Mostly, it tends to be a big fucking deal
IIRC, there are several (or at least some) characters, even people who are mentioned just in passing, who are said to have some far back elven blood in them. At least unions with Numenorians there seem to have been, because you know, Numenorians are the other Suetopians
So are weredragons. Some of the BG is weird, but given timeframes, all you need is an elf way back in the family tree and you can have a big population of people having elven blood. Though Numenorian blood seems a bigger deal than elven, implying it's not the elven in then, so IDK
Cheat as in marriage cheating. Fucking=Marriage
Sorry, the route my mind was going was about remarrying, and for that you need the Valar approval. (despite reincarnation being a thing, I don't think marrying your reincarnated spouse ever comes up...)
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As Arwen's father is a "halve elve" it happens often enough in an elven timeframe, but yes it only happened a few times in the history of Arda.
Only elves can get a new body as the souls of mankind leave Arda. The only ones getting new bodies are the elves and they would probably still be married to the same person, as the body is really not particularly important as the soul is what everybody is.
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He's also a quarter Maiar. Luthien and Beren were exceptions to lots of rules.
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Sure. Arwen's betrothal to Aragorn was a big fucking deal in Elven society. If such an union happens, yes, it will cause quite some ripples. But that's not the same as "it factually never happens" (human-elven unions, I mean, not remarriage or whatever).
Granted, but even then not from a single human-elven union in history as you argued. One should also not forget that the Similarion etc all follow what are essentially Elven nobles, as I understand, and even such a... high and mighty race as the Elves needs to have a common population.
I still think that would be in line with the other historical sins the Elves have committed. For Tolkien, a devout Catholic, it would all have been a matter of sin - and Elves are capable of sin. (Though it's a bit weird: On the one hand, Elves are supposed to represent a species without the Fall, that is why they are so high and mighty, and yet on the other hand, there are things like the Fall of the Noldor and other things...). However, make no mistake, that would indeed count as a tragic sin, as a moral fall and failing. A tragic love story ending in disaster, maybe, like Hurín and Niniel.
Yeah well, that's two separate issues: Elven-human unions and remarriage.
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This could probably go in the unpopular opinions thread, but whenever in a future setting Elon Musk is mentioned as a figure of veneration alongside the likes of Einstein and Neil Armstrong.
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I have honestly never seen that.
tankdrop24
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It happened in Star Trek Discovery at the very least.
And I think Civ Beyond Earth as well.
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Can a Self Insert turning into the BEST FRIEND FOREVER AND EVER of the main character(if the Insert isn't the MC) be considered a cliche?
I can't stand that yet 99.9999% of the time the author writes it like that.
I still have yet to find an SI story where the Insert follows Cartman's (South Park) example and says: "Fuck you canon/guys, I'm going home(away in this case)".
I can't stand that yet 99.9999% of the time the author writes it like that.
I still have yet to find an SI story where the Insert follows Cartman's (South Park) example and says: "Fuck you canon/guys, I'm going home(away in this case)".
I'm going to add the whole "Rommel was good at his job and noble." to this one, in the future, it should have had more time to finally die and rot. (Okay, he was a good colonel but his abilities fell below par above that. As for being noble, that was just his excuse. Amazing how much damage early biographies can cause. He was a rabid dog.)