Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

NúmenoreanNazgûl · Apr 11, 2019

Lab_Accident said:
I mean, I love this plan, but is it wise to find even more civs to ~~fight~~ diplomance and shinies to obtain before we even finish putting our house in order? Let's try and get infrastructure 3/4 of the way done before we go exploring. And then, when we're good and ready, send missionaires.

That's going to take a long time. Centuries in-game. And even if we do find someone, they are not going to be close to our borders, so the danger of warfare is greatly reduced.

BlueFlamingWings said:
The only thing on that list that I have issue with is yet more Training. I would like to trade out Train Sacred Warriors for Send Missionaries as I do want to integrate the Urthdysh too, but as I said before (and I'll say again) building boats and exploring is fine too. We have multiple actions after all.

We need to have a bigger army by the time we fight our next war. I want to do train warriors once every two or three turns until we get like 15 Martial. And we didn't do it last turn.

Kiba · Apr 11, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
Why would integrating/converting the Urthdysh piss them off? If anything, they'd be happy to get to know us better.

Though taking over their government/vassalising them is another matter entirely.

If you send missionaries, then we are attempting to convert them to our faith.

kobo · Apr 11, 2019

I'd like to diplo the coltyre confederation, whether through missionaries or just diplo
gotta remember we have a diplo hero Urthdysh have 3 collectively coltyre has no diplo hero so diplo actions to them should be advantageous

@Oshha which hero type does religious conversion

Oshha · Apr 11, 2019

kobo said:
@Oshha which hero type does religious conversion

Diplo, Mystic and Culture.

Oshha · Apr 11, 2019

Vote is still open.
Vote Tally : Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest - Original | Page 467 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 11669-11796]
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Task: Urthdysh
[X][Urthdysh] Accept it and give knowledge of how your laws work to the Urthdysh.
No. of Votes: 36
[X][Urthdysh] Accept it and give farming expertise to the Urthdysh.
No. of Votes: 27
[X][Urthdysh] Accept it and give nautical expertise to the Urthdysh.
No. of Votes: 11

jjffjhjf
Andres110
Cariyaga
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49
jamie96969
kobo
LonelyWolf999
nkd1325
NúmenoreanNazgûl
One Autumn Leaf

[X][Urthdysh] Accept it and give knowledge of how your military works to the Urthdysh.
No. of Votes: 1

Cariyaga

[X][Urthdysh] Reject it. The Arthwyd have no need of such foul knowledge.
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

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[X][GA] Unlock the Grand Library Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 31
[X][GA] Unlock the Grand Theatre Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 16

Raichu1972
065tdsa
Cariyaga
Hallesworth49
jjffjhjf
Kiba
kobo
LordEdric
nkd1325
NúmenoreanNazgûl
One Autumn Leaf
Pyro Hawk
Redciv3
UlseDovThur
Vocalend
weskwong2

[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)
No. of Votes: 7

LonelyWolf999
Cariyaga
kobo
masterofmadness
nkd1325
Random Member
sunrise

[X][GA] Gain a random Hero. (-3 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 5

Lab_Accident
BlueFlamingWings
masterofmadness
NúmenoreanNazgûl
Pyre

[X][GA] Gain random nautical technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 4

Kiba
Hallesworth49
NúmenoreanNazgûl
One Autumn Leaf

[X][GA] Gain random general technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 3

Hallesworth49
NúmenoreanNazgûl
One Autumn Leaf

[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 3

Gamesguy
Donkey Hote
NúmenoreanNazgûl

[X][GA] Unlock the Aqueduct Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 2

LonelyWolf999
masterofmadness

[X][GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial,)
No. of Votes: 2

Gamesguy
NúmenoreanNazgûl

[X][GA] Discover a new mine location. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1

NúmenoreanNazgûl

[X][GA] Gain random social concept advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 1

NúmenoreanNazgûl

[X][GA] Gain random magical knowledge advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 1

NúmenoreanNazgûl

Total No. of Voters: 46

10ebbor10 · Apr 11, 2019

Oshha said:
Diplo, Mystic and Culture.

No Martial?

Gods knows his own and all that?

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 11, 2019

Kiba said:
If you send missionaries, then we are attempting to convert them to our faith.

And? You think that's going to piss Urthryn off, when she's in love with Arthryn and wants to learn more about our religious reforms, laws and culture? She probably be ecstatic to have some recognition by Arthryn.

Now, with that said, governmental take over is another matter. But there wouldn't be any problem whatsoever in converting some of her people so they worship both of them and understand Arthryn's teachings.

Lab_Accident · Apr 11, 2019

NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
That's going to take a long time. Centuries in-game. And even if we do find someone, they are not going to be close to our borders, so the danger of warfare is greatly reduced.

Where can I find our infrastructure completion sheet please? Also the available tech list.

Kiba · Apr 11, 2019

Lab_Accident said:
Where can I find our infrastructure completion sheet please? Also the available tech list.

Actions list usually have infrastructure listed, but it's not listed with every update.

Star · Apr 11, 2019

Oshha said:
Yes, it would be a major issue.

Too many unknown variable to say. It all depends on how you get rid of them.

Or we don't get rid of them. One goddess cannot stand in the way of progress or else...

thefoolswriter · Apr 11, 2019

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NúmenoreanNazgûl · Apr 11, 2019

Lab_Accident said:
Where can I find our infrastructure completion sheet please? Also the available tech list.

Build Roads = (2/32)
Build Temples = (4/18)
Build Walls = S(1/32), L(2/32)
Expand Economy = (0/9)
Explore Lands = (-/10)
Plant Sacred Forests = (0/-)
Settle Land = 4*(1/12), 1*(4/12), 4*(6/12) = (32/54)

Oshha said:
Technologies

Carts
Straw/Reed Rope
Wheel
Wicker

Agriculture
Fertiliser (Primitive Compost & Manure)
Irrigation
Concept of Growth Energy
Two-Field Crop Rotation

Animals
Cats
Cows
Dogs
Dire Boars
Fowls
Horses
Sheep

Construction
Fired Bricks
Mortar
Stone Blocks

Fishing & Boats
Canoes
Fishing Nets
Rafts
River Longboats
Sails
Walnut Oil
Waterproofing

Hunting
Baits

Materials
Bone
Bronze
Copper
Gold
Furs
Hide
Leather
Silver
Tin
Stone
Wood
Zinc

Medicine
Dosage
Herbalism
Painkillers
Poisons

Metallurgy
Alloys
Kilns
Metal Smelting

Administration
Ideograms
Cuneiform
Dedicated Messengers
Legal Code
Standardised Construction
Stone Record Keeping
Tally Marks

Arts
Earthenware Pottery
Religious Performances
Stoneware Pottery
Stone Carvings
Vocal Storytelling

Diplomacy
Expeditions
Gifting
Immigrants
Negotiations
Refugees
Trade

Leadership
Elders
Elective Succession
Heredity Succession
Local Leadership Delegation
Monarchy
Priests
Primogeniture
Province Governors
Royal Bloodline

Religion
Missionaries
Priests
Sacred Animals
Shrines
Temples
Tribute

Defences
Palisade
Stone Wall

Personal Protection
Gambeson
Hide Shields
Wicker Shields
Wood Shields

Organisation
Dedicated Scouts
Dire Boar Cavalry
Divine Champions
Heavy Infantry
Hunting Groups
Professional Sacred Warriors
Skirmishers
Tactical Formations
War Dogs

Theory
Ambush Tactics
Battle Lines
Combined Arms
Outflanking
Supply Lines
Skirmishing
Tactical Formations

Weapons
Bows & Arrows
Divine Magic
Javelins
Lead Balls
Maces
Slings
Spears
Sword

General
Divine Blessing
Divine Magic
Arcane Magic (Theoretical)

All-Seerist Divine Magic
Detect Undead (Limited)
Detect Unliving (Limited)
Future Seeing (Basic)
Guided Attacks (Expert)
Increased Accuracy (Expert)
Scrying (Basic)
Truth Detecting (Basic)

Arthrynite Divine Magic
Aspect Blood Copy (Basic)
Blood Binding (Limited)
Blood Oath (Limited)
Spiritual Blood Bond (Limited)
Stone Manipulation (Expert)
Stone-Skin (Expert)
Trait Self-Boosting (Basic)

Blood Arcane Magic
Aspect Copy (Expert)
Aspect Steal (Expert)
Blood Binding (Basic)
Blood Oath (Basic)
Blood Sacrifice (Advanced)
Spiritual Bond (Expert)

Bronwynite Divine Magic
Lust Induction (Limited)

Death Arcane Magic
Control Undead (Advanced)
Mass Raise Mindless Undead (Advanced)
Raise Sapient Undead (Basic)

Fertility Arcane Magic
Birth Control (Expert)
Fertility Boost (Expert)
Lust Induction (Basic)

Light Arcane Magic
Hardlight Shield (Basic)
Healing Light (Expert)
Light Beams (Basic)

Probability Arcane Magic
Bad Luck Induction (Limited)
Good Luck Induction (Limited)

Wyrnite Divine Magic
Bad Luck Induction (Limited)
Good Luck Induction (Limited)
Memory Stones (Basic)
Songs of Courage (Limited)

Ymarnite Divine Magic
Birth Control (Basic)
Disease Cure (Basic)
Fertility Boost (Limited)
Increased Weapon Skill (Basic)
Plant Growth Boost (Limited)
Wound Healing (Expert)

Dark as Silver · Apr 11, 2019

Oshha said:
[] [Urthdysh] Accept it and give nautical expertise to the Urthdysh.

They just flip us off and leave if this all they get right?
Theres no way that they would value boats?

NúmenoreanNazgûl · Apr 11, 2019

Dark as Silver said:
They just flip us off and leave if this all they get right?
Theres no way that they would value boats?

Oshha said:
Fishing & Boats
Canoes
Fishing Nets
Rafts
River Longboats
Sails
Walnut Oil
Waterproofing

Our nautical tech is mainly useful for rivers, and they do have a river through their forest. Rock River that flows to Rockbay.

Oshha · Apr 11, 2019

Dark as Silver said:
They just flip us off and leave if this all they get right?
Theres no way that they would value boats?

They have a major river going through their capital which goes up to Forluc territory and down to Arthwyd territory so while they wouldn't be able to get a sea navy, a river navy would be valuable for the Urthdysh.

Dark as Silver · Apr 11, 2019

NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
Our nautical tech is mainly useful for rivers, and they do have a river through their forest. Rock River that flows to Rockbay.

Oh wow they do! The line was so faint I missed it before.
~~Still not all that useful for them given as far as we know all it does is let them trade with us more easily~~
Still we'd better make sure we've settled that river along the coast, wouldn't do to let them get maritime trade.
E: Well us and the Forluc, kinda useful if they're trying real hard to be the new trade hub I guess.

Kiba · Apr 11, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
And? You think that's going to piss Urthryn off, when she's in love with Arthryn and wants to learn more about our religious reforms, laws and culture? She probably be ecstatic to have some recognition by Arthryn.

Now, with that said, governmental take over is another matter. But there wouldn't be any problem whatsoever in converting some of her people so they worship both of them and understand Arthryn's teachings.

Which only exists before her followers believe it does. Piss off the foresters enough then they could start ignoring or omitting or downplaying that aspect.

nat_401 · Apr 11, 2019

We should send a diplomatic expedition into Urthdysh next turn to talk about missionaries and our nations relationship with each other, we shouldn't just assume the leadership will be OK with us doing what we like without even asking permission first. There is no particular reason we have to send missionaries in right now so we might as well be polite, treat them like a peer even if they aren't quite there yet and courteously ask for permission to try to make large lasting changes to their culture.

Seriously if we want to ship this then we should be calm, take it slowly and not come on to strongly and cause a mess right at the start by accident.

Kiba · Apr 11, 2019

nat_401 said:
We should send a diplomatic expedition into Urthdysh next turn to talk about missionaries and our nations relationship with each other, we shouldn't just assume the leadership will be OK with us doing what we like without even asking permission first. There is no particular reason we have to send missionaries in right now so we might as well be polite, treat them like a peer even if they aren't quite there yet and courteously ask for permission to try to make large lasting changes to their culture.

Seriously if we want to ship this then we should be calm, take it slowly and not come on to strongly and cause a mess right at the start by accident.

Sending missionaries mean converting someone to our religion, which I think would be considered a threat to a follower of a different religion?

nat_401 · Apr 11, 2019

Kiba said:
Sending missionaries mean converting someone to our religion, which I think would be considered a threat to a follower of a different religion?

I would think it's a threat, which is why I want people to ask about missionaries instead of just sending them in, gives the Urthdysh a chance to say no and stop us screwing ourselves.

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 11, 2019

Kiba said:
Which only exists before her followers believe it does. Piss off the foresters enough then they could start ignoring or omitting or downplaying that aspect.

It's a core aspect of their religion that Urthryn has a unrequite love for Arthryn. I really, really doubt that'll they would object to us teaching them about Arthryn and her teachings unless we go "you can't worship both Arthryn and Urthryn! All worship of Urthryn should be banned and her Grand Temple torn down!"

Actually merging of the states/religions is another matter but I don't see any reason why initial preaching would piss them off.

But still, @Oshha, can you confirm?

Kiba · Apr 11, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
It's a core aspect of their religion that Urthryn has a unrequite love for Arthryn. I really, really doubt that'll they would object to us teaching them about Arthryn and her teachings unless we go "you can't worship both Arthryn and Urthryn! All worship of Urthryn should be banned and her Grand Temple torn down!"

Actually merging of the states/religions is another matter but I don't see any reason why initial preaching would piss them off.

But still, @Oshha, can you confirm?

Who the fuck knows what the missionaries will try to teach?

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 11, 2019

Kiba said:
Who the fuck knows what the missionaries will try to teach?

Oshha. Wait until we hear back from him.

With that said, just as their learning about us, we're learning about them. I really doubt our priestesses, who worship a goddess of Love and Redemption and have stories of Arthryn showing mercy to the All-Seeress and adopting her as a Daughter, would go hardline here. But hey, that's only what I think. Let's wait on the GM.

Lukepop · Apr 11, 2019

[X] [Urthdysh] Accept it and give farming expertise to the Urthdysh.
[X] [Urthdysh] Accept it and give knowledge of how your laws work to the Urthdysh.
[X] [Urthdysh] Accept it and give knowledge of how your military works to the Urthdysh.
[X] [Urthdysh] Accept it and give nautical expertise to the Urthdysh.

[X] [GA] Unlock the Grand Theatre Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
[X] [GA] Unlock the Grand Library Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)

Tech stat / better culture generation, here we come hopefully. Let's get those religious performances into greater practice!

Oshha · Apr 11, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
But still, @Oshha, can you confirm?

I will not confirm because you don't know yet.

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