Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Kiba · Apr 8, 2019

I see that there are support for the Study Magic action.

I suggest people keep voting for it, because studying magic to speed up construction will pay off with free labor.

Adhoc vote count started by Kiba on Apr 8, 2019 at 10:43 PM, finished with 62 posts and 20 votes.

15 people have voted
[X] [Mega] +1 Admin Strain Free Provinces.
- Killer_Whale
- Andres
- nat_401
- nkd1325
- kobo
- veekie
- UlseDovThur
- Hallesworth49
- Chiperninerm
- Kiba
- Lab_Accident
- Donkey Hote
- BlueFlamingWings
- Brogatar
- masterofmadness
13 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Greenbay
- Killer_Whale
- demonthese2211
- Andres
- nat_401
- nkd1325
- kobo
- Redciv3
- veekie
- Hallesworth49
- Kiba
- Lab_Accident
- Donkey Hote
- BlueFlamingWings
10 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
- demonthese2211
- Andres
- nat_401
- nkd1325
- veekie
- Hallesworth49
- Chiperninerm
- Kiba
- Lab_Accident
- Brogatar
9 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
- demonthese2211
- Andres
- nat_401
- nkd1325
- Hallesworth49
- Kiba
- Donkey Hote
- BlueFlamingWings
- Brogatar
9 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Lowlands Conflux
- demonthese2211
- Andres
- nat_401
- nkd1325
- Redciv3
- veekie
- Donkey Hote
- BlueFlamingWings
- Brogatar
3 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Boats
3 people have voted
[X] [Mega] Upgrade a random Value.
3 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Study Magic
2 people have voted
[X] [Mega] +1 Upper Centralization Limit.
- kobo
- Gamesguy
2 people have voted
[X] [Mega] Gain at least two Technologies.
- demonthese2211
- Redciv3
2 people have voted
[X] [Mega] Gain a new random Value.
- Chiperninerm
- Gamesguy
2 people have voted
[X] [Mega] Gain a new Social-related Value.
- Chiperninerm
- jjffjhjf
2 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Lowland Conflux
- Killer_Whale
- jjffjhjf
2 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Greenbay
- Killer_Whale
- Brogatar
2 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Train Sacred Warriors
- Redciv3
- Gamesguy
2 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Switch Province Policy = (Infrastructure)
- Chiperninerm
- Gamesguy
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
- thefoolswriter
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
- thefoolswriter
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Lowlands Conflux
- thefoolswriter
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Greenbay
- thefoolswriter
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN]Build Walls = North Coast Plains
- Chiperninerm
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = Coltyre Confederation
- masterofmadness
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Switch Province Policy = (Infrastructure)
- masterofmadness
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = (Forluc Kingdom)
- masterofmadness
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Valley
- jjffjhjf
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = Coltyre Confederation
- Chiperninerm
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = North Coast Plains
- Hallesworth49
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Temples = North Coast Plains
- jjffjhjf
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN]Build Walls = North Coast Plains
- masterofmadness
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Temples = Greenbay
- kobo
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = Lowland Conflux
- kobo
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Upriver Plains
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Greenbay x2
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Rockbay
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Sunrise Bay
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = North Coast Plains
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = North Coast Plains x2
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = North Coast Plains
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Upriver Plains
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [Mega] +1 Admin Strain Free Provinces.
- thefoolswriter
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Sunrise Plains
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Northern Green River
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Northern Green River x2
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Northern Green River
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Southern Green River
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Southern Green River x2
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Southern Green River
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] [SEC] Switch Province Policy = (Select Policy)
- Brogatar

ALanos · Apr 9, 2019

[X] [Mega] +1 Admin Strain Free Provinces.
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Greenbay
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Lowlands Conflux
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
[X] [SEC] Study Magic.

Andres · Apr 9, 2019

Now is the time to be using our Diplo hero as much as possible, which means sending a trade expedition, not studying magic. The boats that the trade expedition will give us are particularly important because now we have a second overseas colony we need to keep in regular contact with. I do think that we should pair road-building with studying magic at some point, but not this turn, not while we have a Diplo hero and need of more boats.

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 9, 2019

Andres110 said:
Now is the time to be using our Diplo hero as much as possible, which means sending a trade expedition, not studying magic. The boats that the trade expedition will give us are particularly important because now we have a second overseas colony we need to keep in regular contact with. I do think that we should pair road-building with studying magic at some point, but not this turn, not while we have a Diplo hero and need of more boats.

I was thinking of pairing Build Boats with a Explore Lands option. I guess it'll wait a turn or two. Perhaps when we get a tech Hero.

As for Diplomacy and trade missions while I really want to do that (in fact the first "plan" I proposed had a main diplomatic action) I suppose we can depend on the provinces to do it.

Andres · Apr 9, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
As for Diplomacy and trade missions while I really want to do that (in fact the first "plan" I proposed had a main diplomatic action) I suppose we can depend on the provinces to do it.

The provinces have the Coltyre Confederation, the Urthdysh Federation, and the southern lowlanders to deal with. Former's a powder keg that could explode on us, middle is neutral to us and has a history of messing with us, and the southern lowlanders fear us. It's entirely possible there isn't enough space for a trade expedition to the Forluc unless we devote a Secondary, and if there is, it probably means that another important diplomatic thing is getting cut. Devoting the Secondary to trade is the safest thing, as well as the optimal thing as it uses our diplo hero even more than he otherwise would've been used.

Kiba · Apr 9, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
I was thinking of pairing Build Boats with a Explore Lands option. I guess it'll wait a turn or two. Perhaps when we get a tech Hero.

As for Diplomacy and trade missions while I really want to do that (in fact the first "plan" I proposed had a main diplomatic action) I suppose we can depend on the provinces to do it.

We want to wait until we at least have dock infrastructures. That way we can rapidly build a navy once we are forced to fight a naval war or encountered a naval power.

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 9, 2019

Andres110 said:
The provinces have the Coltyre Confederation, the Urthdysh Federation, and the southern lowlanders to deal with. Former's a powder keg that could explode on us, middle is neutral to us and has a history of messing with us, and the southern lowlanders fear us. It's entirely possible there isn't enough space for a trade expedition to the Forluc unless we devote a Secondary, and if there is, it probably means that another important diplomatic thing is getting cut. Devoting the Secondary to trade is the safest thing, as well as the optimal thing as it uses our diplo hero even more than he otherwise would've been used.

I suppose then the best thing to do then is confirm which polity our provinces will be diplomancing/trading with.

@Oshha, can you speak on this? Who will they be trading with? And if Forluc is one of them will that meet the Crafters' faction Quest?

Kiba said:
We want to wait until we at least have dock infrastructures. That way we can rapidly build a navy once we are forced to fight a naval war or encountered a naval power.

Then what would we do with the boats?

Kiba · Apr 9, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
I suppose then the best thing to do then is confirm which polity our provinces will be diplomancing/trading with.

@Oshha
Then what would we do with the boats?

Improve our connectivity, increase inter-regional trade, build better boats, increasing crafters' prominence within society.

Andres110 said:
Now is the time to be using our Diplo hero as much as possible, which means sending a trade expedition, not studying magic. The boats that the trade expedition will give us are particularly important because now we have a second overseas colony we need to keep in regular contact with. I do think that we should pair road-building with studying magic at some point, but not this turn, not while we have a Diplo hero and need of more boats.

People wanted to build roads. I pointed out that we should be studying magic to improve construction speed and quality, especially since free labor are costing us like 4 temp per main action as opposed to 1 temp econ if we use slaves.

Andres · Apr 9, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
And if Forluc is one of them will that meet the Farmer's faction Quest?

Crafters. It's the crafters' quest. Farmers' quest is to settle some land.

Kiba said:
We want to wait until we at least have dock infrastructures. That way we can rapidly build a navy once we are forced to fight a naval war or encountered a naval power.

Building boats is probably how we get those docks, as a way of dealing with all the boats we have and as a result of the knowledge gained from building all the boats. Probably the additional effects noted by the action. We're not gonna get dock tech from doing nothing.

Kiba said:
People wanted to build roads. I pointed out that we should be studying magic to improve construction speed and quality, especially since free labor are costing us like 4 temp per main action as opposed to 1 temp econ if we use slaves.

What you just said isn't an argument, it's a recounting, and written as if it were in response to a query about what happened.

EDIT: Also you're wrong. Expensive Free Labour applies to Wealth costs, not Econ costs.

Legion0047 · Apr 9, 2019

[X] [Mega] +1 Admin Strain Free Provinces.

[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = Greenbay
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = Lowlands Conflux
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

LonelyWolf999 said:
I recognize that if I wanted to point out how completely ahistorical this attitude is I should have done so when it first was brought up, but nonetheless I'd like to officially register my complaint at our civilization feeling the need to institute a system of 'checks and balances' as reaching past my suspension of disbelief. I get that we're just inserting our own modern values but can there at least be some justification for them besides "it was obvious?"

I made it pretty clear why this happened in previous updates. I also disagree that the nobility wanted to curtail the power of the king in favour of their own power is a ahistorical attitude. The nobility would like to increase or entrench its own power where ever it could.

Oshha said:
Another thing that Cadlon Wonlyn encountered during her regime is that much of the People's leadership want to write down what was allowed and what wasn't. In the past, the local leadership had been trusted to make the right calls and do what was necessary on the scene, but in the past generation, that had been sorely tested.

The previous Cadlon and her advisors had made one choice which the Champion of Arthryn had disagreed with and while she had just stopped short of outright disobedience, Evatine had gone off to do her own thing in defiance of what Cadlon Gwynlyn had desired. Then Cadlon Wonlyn had just empowered herself to do something that no previous Cadlon had done when she made Queen Eira into Guardian-General Eira.

Now the priesthood and the elders of the People sought formalise the way of doing things amongst the People. They desired to standardise how things are done and who had the authority to do what and where that authority would start and end.

Cadlon Wonlyn couldn't find in herself to disagree with them and neither did her lover, Evatine.

Oshha said:
There was also the matter of how the Arthwyd would be governed. Many of the priestesses and elders supporting the legal reforms were doing so to act as checks on the power of the Cadlon and other important figures. In the past, the Cadlon had unchecked power to do almost anything and they and all other Arthwyd leaders were trusted to do the right thing.

In the aftermath of the war with the Forluc, that honour system had been pushed to the limits and if it wasn't for key individuals deliberately choosing not to break the system, the Arthwyd would have almost certainly collapsed into chaos.

Now many wished to prevent such a thing from occurring again by putting clear restrictions and limits on what the Cadlon and other members of the Arthwyd government could do.

Edit: Fixed typos in the quotes.

demonthese2211 said:
As for what is from the bonus or if upgrades count as gaining technologies I'm not sure.

A mixture of news tech from the megaproject bonus and me just updating the tech list in general.

jjffjhjf said:
So... where did the Main Train Sacred Warriors action come from? That is what caused perm econ and perm martial to change by 1 right?

You got it from completing the faction quest of the Warriors.

LonelyWolf999 said:
I suppose that makes sense, although I was under the impression taking the lowlands was a generally supported move that ended well. In any case I'm still going to be rolling my eyes at our 'Parliamentary Tanistry' - I'll gain a lot of respect for @Oshha if they play the inevitable civil war this is leading up to straight, since there's a reason nothing like this sustained in real life. It's just begging for people to disagree over who exactly the 'best' heir would be, and now we've got the political elite in the perfect place to start backing their preferred candidates.

The idea that it isn't going to end in civil war because it didn't work out in RL doesn't make sense to me for two reasons. First, just because everything ultimately fails in RL doesn't mean that has to be the case here. I'm not just going to make it inevitable that an outsider power is going to conquer you or that your colonies will ultimately rebel or break away. If the thread can make the right choices to avoid the bad events that plagued RL nations such as civil wars, outside conquest and rebellions, I am going to let them and not railroad them into suffering them.

Secondly, stuff like this did work out in history and not just in the modern period. Anglo-Saxon witenagemot/assembly, the Germanic thing/assembly, the Anglo-Saxon folkmoot which bridged the previous too and the Imperial Diet of the Holy Roman Empire. I might use more modern English terms, but the concepts have been around for awhile and is similar things happened in history to varying degrees of success. There is a reason I am calling the more historical term 'assembly' rather than using the more modern term 'parliament'.

BlueFlamingWings said:
Still, @Oshha, will actions taken by the provinces count for faction requests?

Yes. The only difference between player actions and province actions is who chooses them.

BlueFlamingWings said:
@Oshha, can you speak on this? Who will they be trading with? And if Forluc is one of them will that meet the Farmer's faction Quest?

You don't specifically know what your provinces will do. It will depend on the circumstances at the time and what the players choose.

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

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