Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr as Arthwyd territory directly under the rule of Greenbay. (Secondary Settle Land = Lowland Conflux,Founds a Colony in the northern lowlands)
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr and expand into the lowlands around it. (Found a Colony centred around Caermyr)
Because frankly, returning Caermyr is a bad idea. Especially if people vote to continue the war. The Colryd federation has been torn to pieces, it's military has been destroyed, and it's de facto defenseless.
If we return it, then we'll be having the exact same vote about what to do with the now twice burnt ruins next turn.
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr and expand into the lowlands around it. (Found a Colony centred around Caermyr)
Because frankly, returning Caermyr is a bad idea. Especially if people vote to continue the war. The Colryd federation has been torn to pieces, it's military has been destroyed, and it's de facto defenseless.
If we return it, then we'll be having the exact same vote about what to do with the now twice burnt ruins next turn.
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- Staring into the void
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr as Arthwyd territory directly under the rule of Greenbay. (Secondary Settle Land = Lowland Conflux, Founds a Colony in the northern lowlands)
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That seems to run under the assumption that our troops won't be there, if we continue the war, and actively prosecute it, we'll likely be fighting in the Forluc territory, not the lowlands.
taovkool
Forever Gone
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- The Library, Department of General Works
[X] [Caermyr] Return Caermyr to the Colryd and begin to settle the lowlands. (+2 Temp Diplo, Increased Relationship with everyone, Founds a Colony in the northern lowlands)
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr as Arthwyd territory directly under the rule of Greenbay. (Secondary Settle Land = Lowland Conflux,Founds a Colony in the northern lowlands)
[X] [War] Accept Eredan's offer of peace and recognise him as the King of the Forluc in exchange for Arthrynite captives. (+2 Prestige, +2 Temp Diplo, Secured Loyalty of the Colryd)
This option seems to be the best one to me, we need to recover from the casualties of the war, because the reduction in our max martial stats worries me. And if the Forluc wants more war in the future, we get the Colryd as a buffer or a border town, depending on which option wins.
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr as Arthwyd territory directly under the rule of Greenbay. (Secondary Settle Land = Lowland Conflux,Founds a Colony in the northern lowlands)
[X] [War] Accept Eredan's offer of peace and recognise him as the King of the Forluc in exchange for Arthrynite captives. (+2 Prestige, +2 Temp Diplo, Secured Loyalty of the Colryd)
This option seems to be the best one to me, we need to recover from the casualties of the war, because the reduction in our max martial stats worries me. And if the Forluc wants more war in the future, we get the Colryd as a buffer or a border town, depending on which option wins.
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We had Cloryd as buffer already . Going with that is only returning things to how they were at the start and going around the circle.
taovkool
Forever Gone
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- The Library, Department of General Works
Right, just realized that. Edited my post a bit, right there.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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Yes. However the result would be a slave population of Blessed Arthrynite with some of the physical traits getting bred into the main Forluc population in small amounts.
That was from suffering enough losses that your Boarfolk population isn't enough to sustain cav for your armies.
You could get all of the Arthrynite captives back, but not an end for slavery as it isn't really doable for the time period.
No. Zaranna supports being strong enough to do what you want. That includes enslaving and oppressing those weaker than you.
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It seems that she is anarchist capitalist.
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- Sydney
-Caermyr] Settle Caermyr as Arthwyd territory directly under the rule of Greenbay.
The city is outside our borders, and our Sacred Defence value means we will lose Legitimacy if the city is taken from us. It is an unnecessary risk to settle the city immediately.
When our Northern Lowlands colony expands to reach the city, then it will be time to absorb the Colryd.
If we Return Caermyr to the Colryd and get the captive Queen back (Accept Eredan's offer of peace and recognise him OR Accept Eredan's offer of peace and both recognise and offer him assistance) then we will have Colryd loyal to us, and probably find it much easier to absorb them into our civilization later.
The Increased Relationship with everyone will be very useful. Better relations with the lowland tribes will let our Colony absorb them easier. Better relations with boar-folk will increase the calvary numbers we can have assist us. etc
The city is outside our borders, and our Sacred Defence value means we will lose Legitimacy if the city is taken from us. It is an unnecessary risk to settle the city immediately.
When our Northern Lowlands colony expands to reach the city, then it will be time to absorb the Colryd.
If we Return Caermyr to the Colryd and get the captive Queen back (Accept Eredan's offer of peace and recognise him OR Accept Eredan's offer of peace and both recognise and offer him assistance) then we will have Colryd loyal to us, and probably find it much easier to absorb them into our civilization later.
The Increased Relationship with everyone will be very useful. Better relations with the lowland tribes will let our Colony absorb them easier. Better relations with boar-folk will increase the calvary numbers we can have assist us. etc
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- Queensland, Australia
[X] [War] Accept Eredan's offer of peace and both recognise and offer him assistance against the rest of the Forluc. (+4 Prestige, +3 Temp Diplo, +1 Temp Wealth, Secured Loyalty of the Colryd, further bonuses if successfully make Eredan king of the Forluc)
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr as a trade outpost and begin to settle the lowlands. (Founds a trade post as Caermyr, Founds a Colony in the northern lowlands)
I chose the War option I did because I honestly think that this is the best choice we have for both breaking the Forluc as they are right now, getting our people back and starting the process to reform them into something that we don't find despicable. Look at what the Northern Forluc's opinion of us is. Begrudged Admiration. These are a xenophobic nation and they admire us, and also have a Martial Hero or Genius in command. It goes without question that he is almost certainly going to conquer the rest of the Forluc if we make peace, and quite probably be made king of them if we don't peace out. Best to have his opinion of us as strong as possible, and also have his people admire us so they are more likely to reform into something we can happily live with.
That said, it will require a lot of contact from us so they don't backslide, but I think that is an easy sell.
As for Caermyr… I think colonising it ourselves is a very good idea, however I think it's best if we focus on exploiting it's absolutely brilliant trade routes more than making it a normal colony. Because a normal colony focuses more on being a successful colony than it does on controlling the trade that flows through it.
Is my belief about what the different types of colonies does right @Oshha ?
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr as a trade outpost and begin to settle the lowlands. (Founds a trade post as Caermyr, Founds a Colony in the northern lowlands)
I chose the War option I did because I honestly think that this is the best choice we have for both breaking the Forluc as they are right now, getting our people back and starting the process to reform them into something that we don't find despicable. Look at what the Northern Forluc's opinion of us is. Begrudged Admiration. These are a xenophobic nation and they admire us, and also have a Martial Hero or Genius in command. It goes without question that he is almost certainly going to conquer the rest of the Forluc if we make peace, and quite probably be made king of them if we don't peace out. Best to have his opinion of us as strong as possible, and also have his people admire us so they are more likely to reform into something we can happily live with.
That said, it will require a lot of contact from us so they don't backslide, but I think that is an easy sell.
As for Caermyr… I think colonising it ourselves is a very good idea, however I think it's best if we focus on exploiting it's absolutely brilliant trade routes more than making it a normal colony. Because a normal colony focuses more on being a successful colony than it does on controlling the trade that flows through it.
Is my belief about what the different types of colonies does right @Oshha ?
taovkool
Forever Gone
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- The Library, Department of General Works
I've just realized something. If Eredan acknowledge Evatine as equal, then he just admitted himself as lesser than the Cadlon of the Arthwyd because technically, the Cadlon was the leader of Evatine.
Hurray for excessive and probably unnecessary rule lawyering!
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All Arthwyd are equal.
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- Sydney
From the Quest rules:
Colony: Subordinate state formed from the ruling civ that expands outward,
Trading Post: Forms a location from which to trade with other civs,
The Colony will expand and settle more territory, but not trade (we will have to do those actions)
The Trade Post will trade, but not expand (we will have to make settlements)
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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I doubt that integration will be that easy. They still have their own beliefs, and a completely different belief structure from us.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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Trade posts and colonies are two different types of subordinates. Trade outpost focus on trade while colonies focus on expansion. Marchs focus on defence and vassal are their nation, but subordinate to your nation.
Eredan is acknowledging Evatine being equal to him, the Champion of Nalnir, as the Champion of Arthryn. Don't forget that both Evatine and Eredan answered to their respective rulers throughout the war.
10ebbor10
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On a side note, I just realized the oddity here.
You want to attack Eredan because you can not accept a slave state.
At the same time, you're voting to restore Caermyr to the Colryd, which means that they'll go back to the old trading ways. In effect, you're voting to restore the regional slave trade. Untill their destruction, the Colryd were the dominant force in the slave trade. ((They still are, probably because Ossha didn't update the spoiler))
The only way that we don't restore the slave trade is if we keep control over the center of trade. That'll force slavery into the margins, and make slave trading systems less economical as they can not piggyback on the normal trade routes.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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I don't think I said that, at least not regarding this context.
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- Sydney
@Oshha
If we get the Queen back (Secured Loyalty of the Colryd) and Return Caermyr to the Colryd, then would we be able to integrate the Colryd after we have settled more of the lowlands?
And would the (Secured Loyalty of the Colryd) make it easier to integrate them than if we leave the Queen with the Forluc?
If we get the Queen back (Secured Loyalty of the Colryd) and Return Caermyr to the Colryd, then would we be able to integrate the Colryd after we have settled more of the lowlands?
And would the (Secured Loyalty of the Colryd) make it easier to integrate them than if we leave the Queen with the Forluc?
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- United States
[X] [War] Accept Eredan's offer of peace and both recognise and offer him assistance against the rest of the Forluc. (+4 Prestige, +3 Temp Diplo, +1 Temp Wealth, Secured Loyalty of the Colryd, further bonuses if successfully make Eredan king of the Forluc)
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr and expand into the lowlands around it. (Found a Colony centred around Caermyr)
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr and expand into the lowlands around it. (Found a Colony centred around Caermyr)
taovkool
Forever Gone
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- The Library, Department of General Works
I don't think this is feasible, because Eredin was clearly into the slave business if we could judge his attitude of using Queen Eira as a personal sex slave. Reformation is only possible if the party with the strongest influence consented to the change and Eredin is definitely not it.
If anything else, we should be wishing for the former slaves to win against the South Forluc and Eredin, because you bet your ass that Eredin would not tolerate resistance against his rule, slim though the slaves' chances of winning might be. And if we assist Eredin, we probably would have to fight some of the rebel slaves as well, which is something I really don't like.
Let's just wish for the rebel victory. Or join them by continuing the war against the Forluc. That's the only way I could see for us to "rehabilitate" the culture of the Forluc.
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- yorkshire
[X] [War] Accept Eredan's offer of peace and both recognise and offer him assistance against the rest of the Forluc. (+4 Prestige, +3 Temp Diplo, +1 Temp Wealth, Secured Loyalty of the Colryd, further bonuses if successfully make Eredan king of the Forluc)
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr and expand into the lowlands around it. (Found a Colony centred around Caermyr)
[X] [Caermyr] Settle Caermyr and expand into the lowlands around it. (Found a Colony centred around Caermyr)
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
I'm not updating the trade status or providing new maps until the Epic Age is over and things have settled down.
It would make it easier to integrate them.
You don't know.