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that is far more forgiving then most religions
Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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- Original
that is far more forgiving then most religions
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
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Vote Tally : Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest - Original | Page 410 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 10243-10320]
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Task: Wonlyn
[X][Wonlyn] Investigate the Caradysh successor states.
No. of Votes: 18
[X][Wonlyn] Seek support from the Boarfolk.
No. of Votes: 9
[X][Wonlyn] Try to vassalise the Colryd Kingdom.
No. of Votes: 9
[X][Wonlyn] Keep Wonlyn at home.
No. of Votes: 2
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[X][Evatine] Assault Caermyr. (Evatine's favourite)
No. of Votes: 29
[X][Evatine] Strike at the Forluc lands.
No. of Votes: 1
[X][Evatine] Pull back to prepare for the defence. (Evatine's second favourite)
No. of Votes: 1
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[X][GA] Gain random magical knowledge advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 16
[X][GA] Unlock the Codified Law Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 13
[X][GA] Unlock the Grand Library Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 13
[X][GA] Gain random nautical technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 9
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 8
[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)
No. of Votes: 7
[X][GA] Unlock religious reforms. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 3
[X][GA] Improve relations with all neighbours. (-6 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain random general technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain random social concept advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain a Baby Boom. (-2 Econ, -2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Discover a new mine location. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Upgrade a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Gain a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp mystic)
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[X][GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial,)
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 36
Vote Tally : Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest - Original | Page 410 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 10243-10320]
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Task: Wonlyn
[X][Wonlyn] Investigate the Caradysh successor states.
No. of Votes: 18
No. of Votes: 9
No. of Votes: 9
[X][Wonlyn] Keep Wonlyn at home.
No. of Votes: 2
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[X][Evatine] Assault Caermyr. (Evatine's favourite)
No. of Votes: 29
Raichu1972
Brogatar
Chiperninerm
Citino
ConfusedCanuck
demonthese2211
Donkey Hote
Gamesguy
Gino
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
Kiba
kilopi505
kobo
Lab_Accident
LordEdric
masterofmadness
nat_401
nkd1325
One Autumn Leaf
Raptor580
Somebodynobody10
Star
taovkool
thefoolswriter
UlseDovThur
veekie
weskwong2
Brogatar
Chiperninerm
Citino
ConfusedCanuck
demonthese2211
Donkey Hote
Gamesguy
Gino
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
Kiba
kilopi505
kobo
Lab_Accident
LordEdric
masterofmadness
nat_401
nkd1325
One Autumn Leaf
Raptor580
Somebodynobody10
Star
taovkool
thefoolswriter
UlseDovThur
veekie
weskwong2
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[X][Evatine] Pull back to prepare for the defence. (Evatine's second favourite)
No. of Votes: 1
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[X][GA] Gain random magical knowledge advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 16
No. of Votes: 13
No. of Votes: 13
No. of Votes: 9
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 8
[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)
No. of Votes: 7
[X][GA] Unlock religious reforms. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 3
[X][GA] Improve relations with all neighbours. (-6 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain random general technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain random social concept advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain a Baby Boom. (-2 Econ, -2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Discover a new mine location. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Upgrade a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Gain a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp mystic)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial,)
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 36
[X][GA] Unlock the Codified Law Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
[X][Wonlyn] Investigate the Caradysh successor states.
[X][Evatine] Assault Caermyr. (Evatine's favourite)
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
[X][Wonlyn] Investigate the Caradysh successor states.
[X][Evatine] Assault Caermyr. (Evatine's favourite)
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I am going to make an info post on the Forluc and their culture so you can understand how bad they are and what sort of culture they have. Since the Forluc engage in rampant abuse of human rights, especially towards women given their misogynistic and patriarchal culture, I want to give a heads up that it could get quite dark, especially since I am leaning towards some of the nastier aspects of their culture so the thread can understand why I consider them to be the most evil civ in the region.
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Forluc Cultural Trivia I
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Forluc Cultural Trivia I
In a nutshell, Forluc culture is strict, xenophobic, elitist, religious, patriarchal and misogynistic.Ruled by a king and the royal family, the lower leadership of the Forluc is split between the priests and the lords. Lead by the high priests that answer directly to the king, the priests managed the religious and spiritual side of things as they handle magical matters and use the sacred warriors of the Forluc to enforce the will of Nalnir.
The lords are ruled by the high lords and handle the more administrative side of affairs and non-spiritual matters that are essential to a society like the one that the Forluc have. While the Forluc value martial prowess, the lords are not warriors and are clerks and bureaucrats. Waging war against heretics and infidels is a spiritual affair and as a result, military matters fall firmly amongst the responsibilities of the priests and the lords have no direct say over the military or warfare.
As a legacy of the strict leadership needed to survive the Nightmare's Plague doing the Lowland Collapse, the Forluc have a strict hierarchy that while very efficient, it is also very brittle and vulnerable to being disrupted. Because of this, the Forluc actively try to purge their society of corruptions and incompetence as letting either build up too much will bring their civilisation tumbling down.
The end result is a strict hierarchy which only tolerates unquestioning obedience. Everyone knows their place and no one needs to know more than what is necessary for their place. While everyone does end up learning more than what they need to, almost no one in the Forluc knows enough to do anything other than their dictated position in life.
The Forluc are also deeply religious and hold the utmost respect for their god Nalnir. Rightfully viewing themselves as the chosen people of Nalnir, this belief runs throughout their entirety society. Being a priest is the most prestigious and powerful position within Forluc society short of being the king and almost everything within Forluc society can be traced back to Nalnir.
Being the chosen of Nalnir also makes the Forluc view themselves as superior to anyone else. They view all other people as being inherently inferior to them and refuse to acknowledge that anyone might be more powerful or greater than Nalnir, leading them to be xenophobic and dismissive of foreigners.
They also have a lot of emphasis on being the best. This is a mixture of viewing themselves as being the chosen people of Nalnir and therefore innate superior and the nature of their strict hierarchy pushing people to be as productive as possible. The end result is that the Forluc are very elitist and not being sufficient good or productive will result in severe punishment.
Furthermore, this elitist attitude combined with their xenophobia makes the Forluc aggressive and expansionist. They view outsiders as being inferior savages and expanded over time. Due to their beliefs of superiority, the Forluc refuse to expand via conquering foreign villages as their own. Instead, they will found their own village that is full of their own people and they will depopulate foreign villagers by either enslaving the villagers and leaving the foreign village as an abandoned ghost town.
The Forluc are also very patriarchal and misogynistic as women are considered to be inferior to a man. All kings, priests and lords are male and no position of leadership can be held by a woman. Furthermore, women are treated as inherently weaker in both body and spirit. Not only are women being prevented from being warriors on the grounds that they are too weak, but male slaves are forced to work in the fields while female slaves are kept for breeding or household tasks.
There is also widespread abuse of women amongst the Forluc. For starters, it is considered not only unnatural for a woman to resist a man who is making sexual advances towards her, but also evil and regardless of other circumstances, any woman who resists a man wanting to have sex with her is punished. This also applies to other factors as the Forluc will punish a woman who doesn't do what a man wants of her.
The Forluc also have strict quotas of everything include children. Each woman is expected to have a certain number of living children from when they come of age to the point where their hair begins to grey. If one of their children dies or comes of age, the woman is expected to have another to meet the quota. If a woman fails to meet this quota, a priest will come along and use fertility magic to guarantee a pregnancy and lust induction to keep the woman from doing something immoral like resisting. Since the husband has failed to do the job himself, the priest will then impregnate the woman so she will be with child.
The lords, priests and royalty of the Forluc will also keep a collection of female slaves for sex purposes. The latter two will often use magic to keep their slaves from becoming pregnant and use lust induction to make them willingly so they don't immoral like resist their advances. Additionally, the priest and sacred warriors of the Forluc have been granted the right by Nalnir to fornicate with any woman as reward for fulfilling their sacred duties.
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I will openly admit that the purpose this post is to make you hate the Forluc like you did Urth since I consider the Forluc to be the most evil civ in the region.
Please point out any spelling or grammar mistakes that you spot. Please quote them in the thread and explain what you think is wrong so I know what you are referring to. Feel to ask questions for more details and information.
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I would like to remind the thread of something I believe to be very important at the moment... remember to loot then burn.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
Meh. I must admit I find this attempt to be too.... top-heavy? (No, not in that way, you dirty minds!
) Too blunt might be better worded?
- Location
- United States
Is there any particular reason the Forluc love to torture small animals so much? Or does their just over-the-top vileness exist to make a good villain?
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Meh. I must admit I find this attempt to be too.... top-heavy? (No, not in that way, you dirty minds!
Perhaps. I suppose I did make half of it about their misogyny. But honestly, most of this isn't new information and it is mostly old information consolidating into a single post with some new information.
They don't torture small animals? I didn't put anything in there like that did I?
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- United States
The fact that you think this is a serious assumption just tells you everything you need to know about how way too far you took things.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I am going to blunt and say that I don't understand what implications you are trying to make. You seem to be vaguely trying to say something whilst avoiding actually saying what you want to say.
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They are so villainous they belong alongside stuff like the old time comics with the utterly one-dimensional villainy, I believe is the claim.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
It's not what's in it, it's the fact that.... it's a 1,000 word essay about how evil they are with the express purpose of getting us to hate them. I'm pretty sure we already do, so I suppose I just don't see the point? If it's something that'll come up in the update, it'll come up in the update. Show, don't tell.
*pause*
I don't think I'm expressing myself very well right now. Well, time for Random to go to bed!
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Really? I've been told on the discord that most of the stuff I thought was pretty evil even for the time period is actually just standard for the time period is and is sometimes better than how similar things worked in RL.
Perhaps. I thought about showing in a side story, but I thought that showing this stuff happening to actual people (even if they are one-shot fictional characters) might be too much for SV's rules.
And as I said, not much of this is new information, but old info collected into a single post.
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- United States
Being patriarchal, misogynistic assholes definitely isn't out of the norm for anything in this time period; the Forluc just took this to a highly fucked up conclusion through the usage of magic and zealotry.
It's definitely above and beyond anything else we've seen so far, and they are surely worse than nearby civs by a long shot, but it's not as though Oshha made them like this for literally no reason.
They aren't orcs or an always chaotic evil race or something similar; there are probably plenty of otherwise decent people among the Forluc. They just have a super shitty culture.
It's definitely above and beyond anything else we've seen so far, and they are surely worse than nearby civs by a long shot, but it's not as though Oshha made them like this for literally no reason.
They aren't orcs or an always chaotic evil race or something similar; there are probably plenty of otherwise decent people among the Forluc. They just have a super shitty culture.
I have to ask... how did you manage to roll this nation?
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- USA
Pretty bad at the start then lowlander apocalypse is basically what the forluc are.
Yes, but how did he roll them?
How many rolls until it became... this?
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- United States
Really? I wasn't exactly being subtle.
Well, 'to be blunt:' the Forluc are stupid. When you're making the Spartans look reasonable you know you've created something utterly absurd. I'm not commenting on the rest of the stuff because I don't have a doctorate on Bronze Age Civilizations and don't feel like arguing about it, but I will say that the SUPER MYSOGINY parts were the most egregiously contrived. It's like you took some poorly understood charicture of the Nazis and threw them into a Bronze Age mold and added in extra-woman hating just to make them that much more evil.
It's even more stilted then your side-stories, for crying out loud.
Yes, patriarchies and ethnocentrism are common to successful civilizations. The problem is that it's all just exaggerated beyond the pale, and combined with the incredibly convenient timing just ruins the relatively organic world you've thus far managed to weave.
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- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Pretty much. Their culture got warped hard by what they did to survive the lowlands collasped and since things worked, they never toned things back down.
Do note that your Martial Genius Evatine came from the Forluc so that is already example of this.
Over the entirety of the game as the Forluc as concept are older than the Arthwyd as I created them before starting the game. Because of this, the Forluc predate the quest while the Arthwyd got formed only after the quest started from an OOC perspective.
The Forluc were always the arsehole civ due to worshipping an arsehole god devoutly, but they weren't especially bad. During the lowland collapse, the Admin/Martial Hero of the Forluc with misogynistic/patriarchal bent did some nasty stuff to keep Final Hope alive. He and the surviving Forluc doubled down on the worse aspects of their culture amongst other things and since that worked, they never dialled things back as the situation, no matter how terrible it was morally, was working out well for them. And since things were working out and things have yet to go wrong for them, they doubled down further on this values as their values became more extreme thanks to their god encouraging with divine magic. The entire result is a pretty evil civ that you are currently fighting and you could have been fighting it sooner if you had explored the lowlands sooner than you did.
Honestly, I don't see them as being cartoonish evil or unrealistic evil, especially since I got told with some citations in the discord that there were worse civs in RL such as Assyrians and the Forluc didn't reach the same heights of evil as them.
Compared to a modern society they may seem cartoonishly evil, but when you look at actual historical cultures of the time period, they aren't too out of the ordinary.
From what I have research, they are better than some RL cultures for misogyny. For example, the Ancient Greeks were worse than the Forluc when it comes to treating woman and other cultures such as Assyrians were worse than the Forluc are when it comes to atrocities.
The Forluc might be cartoonish evil by modern standards, but they aren't the worst for the time period when compared to RL.
I think the problem is that a lot of ancient civs were cartoonishly evil by modern standards.
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- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Just to be clear, minus the magic and other supernatural stuff, most of the nasty stuff about the Forluc has been done by RL societies of the ancient period.
For example, misogynistic was done worse by the Ancient Greeks if not by all of them and the wiping out enemies by enslaving or killing their population like was done plenty of times by various cultures across history, including after the Modern Period started. The right of first night was a thing during medieval Europe even if it wasn't actually done like the Forluc do.
For example, misogynistic was done worse by the Ancient Greeks if not by all of them and the wiping out enemies by enslaving or killing their population like was done plenty of times by various cultures across history, including after the Modern Period started. The right of first night was a thing during medieval Europe even if it wasn't actually done like the Forluc do.
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- United States
What the Hell are you talking about? The Greeks didn't let their woman be raped whenever a man wanted - their views on woman weren't better or worse than the vast majority of all other pre-industrial civilizations. Lesser, than men and owning few rights yes, but that's what everyone did.
As for the Assyrians, since you've brought them up repeatedly, everyone just remembers their exceptionally brutal empire building. They used public displays of extreme violence like flaying and displaying their skins to intimidate opponents and vassals, not that much worse than what the Romans employed. Accounts of their civilization aren't exactly numerous, trustworthy, and proliferated, so it's unknown how 'evil' they actually are, but I'd sure as shit state they weren't as inexplicably stupid-evil as the Forluc. There were no major civilizations as bad or worse as these blatant villains you've constructed, of that I'm certain.
Yes, genocide and 'war crimes' happen all the damn time, and still do! That's not what we're debating about.
- Location
- Queensland, Australia
[X] [Evatine] Assault Caermyr. (Evatine's favourite)
[X] [Wonlyn] Investigate the Caradysh successor states.
[X] [GA] Unlock the Codified Law Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
Yeah, the Forlucs may be cartoonishly evil for our modern sensibilities... And they may look like they fit in with fantasy worlds 'Evil' races but uh.
There's a lot of historical nations and groups that have plenty of the elements that make up the Forluc. Magic and Gods being real just means that they have something propping up the extreme side of things, against the natural influence to let things relax a bit. You also have to consider that they have yet to run into a disaster to shake up their culture that they can't beat. In fact, right now, we are on the path to being that disaster that happens historically to shake up a culture. Once we beat them, then they should 'correct' towards something that isn't as evil.
At least, if they don't shatter and break up. In which case you will probably have a bunch of splinter nations, some that stay they way they are, some that get worse in elements and some that get better. With the worst elements usually naturally killed off, the current one probably getting hurt and correcting to a less 'evil' stance and the others doing well enough.
[X] [Wonlyn] Investigate the Caradysh successor states.
[X] [GA] Unlock the Codified Law Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
Yeah, the Forlucs may be cartoonishly evil for our modern sensibilities... And they may look like they fit in with fantasy worlds 'Evil' races but uh.
There's a lot of historical nations and groups that have plenty of the elements that make up the Forluc. Magic and Gods being real just means that they have something propping up the extreme side of things, against the natural influence to let things relax a bit. You also have to consider that they have yet to run into a disaster to shake up their culture that they can't beat. In fact, right now, we are on the path to being that disaster that happens historically to shake up a culture. Once we beat them, then they should 'correct' towards something that isn't as evil.
At least, if they don't shatter and break up. In which case you will probably have a bunch of splinter nations, some that stay they way they are, some that get worse in elements and some that get better. With the worst elements usually naturally killed off, the current one probably getting hurt and correcting to a less 'evil' stance and the others doing well enough.
I have to agree with other folks here. Perhaps my voice weren't heard. The Forluc are literal the most evil civ I heard in any quest or in real life.
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