Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

kobo · Mar 3, 2019

Basically elves lol. Would like a boost to intelligence since the og blessing mechanically gives better innovation roles so I feel it would make sense for that to be improved.

Not really a fan of limited shapeshifting since I value the boosts others have mentioned more. Just don't see it as helpful as a large improvement in everything else.

Also since the boar people don't worship arthryn can they even get this blessing?

Another upgrade could be making it so you have to be a true believer in Arthryn to have the blessing applied or something like that. Basically a way to stop people from gaining our advantage by kidnapping us.

Knight Draco · Mar 3, 2019

kobo said:
Basically elves lol. Would like a boost to intelligence since the og blessing mechanically gives better innovation roles so I feel it would make sense for that to be improved.

Not really a fan of limited shapeshifting since I value the boosts others have mentioned more. Just don't see it as helpful as a large improvement in everything else.

Also since the boar people don't worship arthryn can they even get this blessing?

Another upgrade could be making it so you have to be a true believer in Arthryn to have the blessing applied or something like that. Basically a way to stop people from gaining our advantage by kidnapping us.

Boarfolk cant breed with people
They never got the blessing.
They are devout worshippers of the all boar as if their life depends on it (it could very well be that way)
They never worshipped the goddesses to be blessed.
The blessing doesnt apply to them.

kingreaper · Mar 3, 2019

kobo said:
Not really a fan of limited shapeshifting since I value the boosts others have mentioned more. Just don't see it as helpful as a large improvement in everything else.

Limited shapeshifting could easily give mechanical benefits if that's what you're worried about - it improves efficiency at just about everything, and would increase the chance of new heroes (because a prospective hero's body will change to suit their skill, allowing them to specialise more ably).

Random Member · Mar 3, 2019

kobo said:
Basically elves lol. Would like a boost to intelligence since the og blessing mechanically gives better innovation roles so I feel it would make sense for that to be improved.

Elves already exist, they're the not!Greeks.

Also, I'm against "intelligence boosts", those generally just come with the thread overestimating their own intelligence and assuming they can't do anything monumentally stupid.

No, "but we iz smurt" is not considered a valid argument whenever your so-called "smart guys" inevitably fuck up.

A much better improvement would be if the Blessing made everyone Communist.

Star · Mar 3, 2019

Random Member said:
Elves already exist, they're the not!Greeks.

Also, I'm against "intelligence boosts", those generally just come with the thread overestimating their own intelligence and assuming they can't do anything monumentally stupid.

No, "but we iz smurt" is not considered a valid argument whenever your so-called "smart guys" inevitably fuck up.

A much better improvement would be if the Blessing made everyone Communist.

How about a hive mind?

Random Member · Mar 3, 2019

Star said:
How about a hive mind?

Meh, if we were Insect Folk, I'd support this. But it doesn't seem fitting right now.

kingreaper · Mar 3, 2019

Star said:
How about a hive mind?

Full on hive mind seems a bit much. Increased empathy and communication - a sort of semi-telepathy within The People - would be cool though.

Star · Mar 3, 2019

Yes we need telepathy and increased senses

Cariyaga · Mar 3, 2019

kingreaper said:
Full on hive mind seems a bit much. Increased empathy and communication - a sort of semi-telepathy within The People - would be cool though.

Ooh, I like this one a lot. It'd jive well with Arthryn as a whole, and support the whole "reduced internal discontent" thing we have going.

Random Member · Mar 3, 2019

Doubling down on reducing internal discontent seems like a pretty obvious road to ruin though. Why would we want that?

thefoolswriter · Mar 3, 2019

kingreaper said:
Limited shapeshifting could easily give mechanical benefits if that's what you're worried about - it improves efficiency at just about everything, and would increase the chance of new heroes (because a prospective hero's body will change to suit their skill, allowing them to specialise more ably).

that will feel a bit of a let down if that happens instead of a general upgrade

Cariyaga · Mar 3, 2019

Random Member said:
Doubling down on reducing internal discontent seems like a pretty obvious road to ruin though. Why would we want that?

There's different kinds of "reduce internal discontent". There's "stamp down on dissidents" reduction and there's "understand your neighbors" reduction.

Oshha · Mar 3, 2019

The vote is closed, but there will be no update tonight.
Vote Tally : Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest - Original | Page 305 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 7617-7941]
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Task: Mega
[X][Mega] Upgrade the Blessing of Arthryn.
No. of Votes: 54
[X][Mega] Gain at least two Magical Technologies
No. of Votes: 13

Marlin
Chiperninerm
demonthese2211
EWilanO
jjffjhjf
khang
khoa36
Kiba
Killer_Whale
nat_401
PurposefulZephyr
Random Member
Star

[X][Mega] Gain a new Mystic-related Value
No. of Votes: 7

Cariyaga
Chiperninerm
khang
khoa36
Random Member
Somebodynobody10
Star

[X][Mega] Upgrade a random Value
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

[X][Mega] Gain a Mystic Hero
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

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[X][North] Try to peacefully resolve matters.
No. of Votes: 57
[X][North] Side with the Anti-Vyandians
No. of Votes: 4

ScreenWatcher
kalugin
One Autumn Leaf
sunrise

[X][North] Stay out of it.
No. of Votes: 2

Omegahugger
Random Member

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[X][South] Marry Darvyd to both sisters.
No. of Votes: 32
[X][South] Let them be.
No. of Votes: 26
[X][South] Marry Darvyd to Elwyn (Heroic Diplo/Martial)
No. of Votes: 9

Raichu1972
Chiperninerm
khang
khoa36
KlinkerKing
Knight Draco
Lukepop
Somebodynobody10
UlseDovThur

[X][South] Marry Darvyd to Elyri (Heroic Diplo/Mystic)
No. of Votes: 2

buli-buli
StarkDemise

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[X][SEC] Create New Trails.
No. of Votes: 45
[X][SEC] Support Subordinate = (Merntir)
No. of Votes: 24
[X][SEC] Study Metal.
No. of Votes: 17

sunrise
Decado
Frankite316
GAZman
jjffjhjf
john fox
kobo
LonelyWolf999
Lukepop
NúmenoreanNazgûl
Pyre
RandomDwarf
Redciv3
silverwolf
thefoolswriter
tryrar
UlseDovThur

[X][SEC] Build Palisade = (Greenbay)
No. of Votes: 8

Skjadir
Chiperninerm
Mortenkam
nat_401
pttpttrwttr
PurposefulZephyr
Raptor580
Vanguard_D

[X][SEC] Build Palisade = (Rockbay)
No. of Votes: 3

buli-buli
khang
khoa36

[X][SEC] Sacred Forest
No. of Votes: 3

taovkool
Alessandro1988
Killer_Whale

[X][SEC] Trade Expedition = (Lowlands)
No. of Votes: 3

Lukepop
Random Member
Vocalend

[X][SEC] Support Subordinate = (Mentir)
No. of Votes: 2

Gino
nkd1325

[X][SEC] Settle Land = (Greenbay)
No. of Votes: 2

sunrise
kobo

[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Sea)
No. of Votes: 2

Lukepop
Random Member

[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Coastline)
No. of Votes: 2

Lukepop
Random Member

[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Sunset Mountains)
No. of Votes: 2

Lukepop
Random Member

[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Sunrise Mountains)
No. of Votes: 2

Lukepop
Random Member

[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Lowlands)
No. of Votes: 2

Lukepop
Random Member

[X][SEC] Trade Expedition = (Boarfolk Nomads)
No. of Votes: 2

Lukepop
Random Member

[X][SEC] Stone Wall
No. of Votes: 1

Omegahugger

[X][SEC] Study Magic
No. of Votes: 1

Vocalend

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[X][MAIN] Stone Wall
No. of Votes: 1

Omegahugger

Total No. of Voters: 67

kobo · Mar 3, 2019

kingreaper said:
Limited shapeshifting could easily give mechanical benefits if that's what you're worried about - it improves efficiency at just about everything, and would increase the chance of new heroes (because a prospective hero's body will change to suit their skill, allowing them to specialise more ably).

Really how do you know it increases hero chance? I thought heroes were simply born heroes. Both options would give mechanical benefits I just don't really like shapeshifting and would rather increase our innovation chance.

kingreaper · Mar 3, 2019

kobo said:
Really how do you know it increases hero chance? I thought heroes were simply born heroes. Both options would give mechanical benefits I just don't really like shapeshifting and would rather increase our innovation chance.

I don't know what mechanical benefits it would give. Honestly, it would help with literally everything other than innovation.

Dark as Silver · Mar 3, 2019

Cariyaga said:
There's different kinds of "reduce internal discontent". There's "stamp down on dissidents" reduction and there's "understand your neighbors" reduction.

Yeah but theres also, I think this plan is a bad idea but I don't want to speak up because everyone else seems good with it.
Which I think Random Member was worried about.

Cariyaga · Mar 3, 2019

Dark as Silver said:
Yeah but theres also, I think this plan is a bad idea but I don't want to speak up because everyone else seems good with it.
Which I think Random Member was worried about.

That's uh.

That's just a human thing in general. You don't need special powers for that to happen.

Knight Draco · Mar 3, 2019

rip Omegahugger's stone wall vote
your tenacity shall be remembered.

kingreaper · Mar 3, 2019

Dark as Silver said:
Yeah but theres also, I think this plan is a bad idea but I don't want to speak up because everyone else seems good with it.
Which I think Random Member was worried about.

With enhanced empathy that sort of groupthink is lessened - because you don't need to speak up to have your disagreement noticed, and thus it's never the case that everyone assumes everyone else thinks X.

kobo · Mar 3, 2019

kingreaper said:
I don't know what mechanical benefits it would give. Honestly, it would help with literally everything other than innovation.

I guess it depends on what limited shapeshifting actually entails. My assumption is that it would be rather hard to actually balance shapeshifting since it seems like something people would try to munchkin in terms of the game, and narratively I think improving the base upgrade or improving our people so that they have better empathy/telepathy like others mentioned ties well into the civ as a whole.

kingreaper · Mar 3, 2019

kobo said:
I guess it depends on what limited shapeshifting actually entails. My assumption is that it would be rather hard to actually balance shapeshifting since it seems like something people would try to munchkin in terms of the game, and narratively I think improving the base upgrade or improving our people so that they have better empathy/telepathy like others mentioned ties well into the civ as a whole.

Limited shapeshifting, to my mind, is basically being able to become the best possible form of human (or potentially catperson) for the task you're doing. So rather than every woman being top heavy all the time, if a woman chooses to be a scout or a warrior her body shifts to a more athletic/acrobatic form, while if she chooses to concentrate on raising children she goes to the "fertility goddess" form of birthing hips and large breasts.

If you start doing hard labour it doesn't take years for you to build up your muscles, just days or weeks, and if you move from that to running messages your muscles switch over jobs quickly and cleanly.

kobo · Mar 3, 2019

kingreaper said:
Limited shapeshifting, to my mind, is basically being able to become the best possible form of human (or potentially catperson) for the task you're doing. So rather than every woman being top heavy all the time, if a woman chooses to be a scout or a warrior her body shifts to a more athletic/acrobatic form, while if she chooses to concentrate on raising children she goes to the "fertility goddess" form of birthing hips and large breasts.

If you start doing hard labour it doesn't take years for you to build up your muscles, just days or weeks, and if you move from that to running messages your muscles switch over jobs quickly and cleanly.

Sounds pretty cool, but at the end of the day I like the other ideas more.

Oshha · Mar 3, 2019

kingreaper said:
Limited shapeshifting, to my mind, is basically being able to become the best possible form of human (or potentially catperson) for the task you're doing. So rather than every woman being top heavy all the time, if a woman chooses to be a scout or a warrior her body shifts to a more athletic/acrobatic form, while if she chooses to concentrate on raising children she goes to the "fertility goddess" form of birthing hips and large breasts.

If you start doing hard labour it doesn't take years for you to build up your muscles, just days or weeks, and if you move from that to running messages your muscles switch over jobs quickly and cleanly.

This idea and the empathy link one are my favourites so far.

thefoolswriter · Mar 3, 2019

Oshha said:
This idea and the empathy link one are my favourites so far.

a general improvement will be more useful in my mind

Cariyaga · Mar 3, 2019

thefoolswriter said:
a general improvement will be more useful in my mind

That's what shapeshifting would be.

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