Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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Then wouldnt they forget how we recognize them and remember how we killed and conquered them?
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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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Are we going to conduct effective diplomacy or hold grudges?
Urth oppressed them as is customary among their people, rather than doing something so insulting as help. Truly, we're so culturally insensitive.
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Effective diplomacy is when both sides have a use from a deal.
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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Then we shouls respect them by putting them down and not acknowledging them
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Just to be clear, even if you do give the Maradysh independence, you are still the region strongest power just to the north-west of them.
You might want to have a look at who had a Martial Hero in each of those situations then.
We really don't want them to rush off into the lowlands and conquer. If they do that they'll actually be able to beat us when they come back around.
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So we will basically help them create an empire. Great. Maybe we can gift them Greenbay as well when we are on it.
It's far easier to destroy relation then to build them, but it doesn't mean we should destroy relation once it got tough, because that's how you end up in unnecessary wars in the first place.
We have a use from recognition: a buffer state that doesn't hate us.
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Furthermore, Urth didn't really oppress them. He was just an unnatural abomination that conquered them, stuck one of his guys in charge of them and then took the bodies of their dead.
In the eyes of the Maradysh, the People have been more oppressive than Urth was.
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A state that will expand into lowlands and is neutral to us.
He also sent them to fight us, which they could not win and that's why so many died, but let's keep revising history.
As opposed to a buffer state that hates our gut expanding into the lowland?
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So one more ally for them.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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That's why you follow up with another Trade Mission, to get them to be positive to us. It's less costly than having a neighbor that hates you.
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If it can. We aren't giving them stability and i doubt that it will be vise to send all of ther soldiers away into the lowlands when they have unfinished business with us.
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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Which is the other thing
The whole reason I wanted upriver plains was to avoid having to care about this.
I dont want a buffer state between us, I want to have our own city be the buffer between anyone else and our cap. After that anyone else can be past that.
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Why would we help them more? I see no use from their good will at all, i would rather spend those actions on us.
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Because that's how the Ymaryn literally annexed their neighbors?
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The Maradysh blame the People for that since even if it was in self-defence, it was the People who did the actually killing and not Urth. Furthermore, they don't view the self-defence justification as being valid due to the fact you conquered them afterwards.
No actually. The Maradysh view the walking dead as evil monsters and would not willingly serve them.
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Because that's how you get friends? Because it benefits us as well? Because this is not a zero-sum game? Because, contrary to what alot of people here think, the world is not divided into just subjects and enemies?
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The whole point of a buffer is that you have to be willing to let it fall in order to protect something else.
By our traits, every village is treated equally, and we will start taking penalties whenever any of them start to fall.
The idea of buffer outposts is one that isn't compatible with our civ.
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In early age when they didn't have their identity formed.
With the way they are going they will be a monarchy and i clearly remember Ymaryn having a chance to marry a Highlanders and unite the civs but people throwed a fit about a monarchy and you can guess our relationship with Highlanders later, a relationship that was good for unification turned into a hatred.
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And yet there are examples that civs that are friendly turn into a monsters. And the way these guys are going is just helping a future enemy.
They didn't even shoved us a sign of good will while we are showing a ton of it to them and they ask for more.