Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Raichu1972 · Feb 14, 2019

Star said:
I think that the problem is more that you are dismissing every possible reasoning with it being mear excuses, while at the same time telling pushing certain point, like upgrading the Sacred War value for instance .

We agree that it depends on circumstances in which values are being upgraded, but you are telling everyone that it will result in our warriors becoming more bloodthirsty , yet at the same time not taking into the acount that we are also leading war of liberation or fact on wich our religion and civ is founded and if Sacred War is upgraded wich could have some neat combo with born equal value.

the same thing happened when i said to avoid civil war, your point was that it will bring about inequality and hereditary monarchy while you ignored our civ and religion base principles and when said it was explained that we won't lose our core values and become hereditary monarchy by QM you literally said

If the voters wish to go in one direction, or don't wish for civil war to happen and have a good reasoning to it you can't really just call of that being excuses.

I'm pretty sure you mixed me up with @Random Member , as I never mentioned anything about excuses.

Regardless, I'm sorry if I offended you, and will endeavor not to do so in the future, but I will still push for the things I want in the quest and make predictions as to how they will go. If the QM clarified that I am incorrect (as what happened with monarchy) then I will concede to them, but I will still say my piece regardless.

nat_401 · Feb 14, 2019

[X] [Evalyn] Yes. She shall lead the People to victory and reclaim the lost Merntir lands. (Change Government Type to Early Ancient Theocratic Monarchy, +1 Legitimacy, +2 Stability, +1 Hierarchy)

[X] [Bonus] Gain two new war-related innovations.

Zaealix · Feb 14, 2019

Random Member said:
And this is where you're making your mistake, chasing whatever is "optimal", whatever that means.

I am trying to SAVE you guys from long-term destruction! Just because one option promises short-term stability doesn't mean it's better. All you're doing is papering over issues. It's only a matter of time before this happens again and again, and people will vote for short-term stability again and again. Except this will solve nothing, we'll never really bother trying to solve those issues. I'm voting for civil war now so that there'll be fewer problems in the future!

Minor quibble but we only avoid the Monarchy thing if the hero LOSES. If she Wins she gets to be the Warqueen.
I'm honestly pretty fency about this and getting petty about my reasonings. Namely, the primary reason I'm voting for just letting the Queen roll in is I don't want the dilution of Boar-people mixing with our Amazons...Blech, and that just reminds me of that Purity belief that crept into Ymaryn thanks to Jesus analouge- shenanigans...
[X] [Evalyn] No. The priests serve the goddesses faithfully and Evalyn is a traitor. (Civil War, -1 Legitimacy, -2 Stability)
[X] [Bonus] Gain two new war-related innovations.
bleeeech. Fun to remember that I wasn't really drawn to any particular choice...

Star · Feb 14, 2019

Raichu1972 said:
I'm pretty sure you mixed me up with @Random Member , as I never mentioned anything about excuses.

Regardless, I'm sorry if I offended you, and will endeavor not to do so in the future, but I will still push for the things I want in the quest and make predictions as to how they will go. If the QM clarified that I am incorrect (as what happened with monarchy) then I will concede to them, but I will still say my piece regardless.

No problem, sorry for confusion. These discussions sometimes get hectic.

Star · Feb 14, 2019

Random Member said:
*sigh* It's.... really not that simple. Whenever I'm criticizing something, 90% of the time, I'm being genuine in my criticism. And whenever I support something, it's because I genuinely believe it'll be better in the long run, not just because of "lol, let's destroy our civ" or anything like that.

That said, I still do want communism. That's not to say that any option I support, I do so because it'll bring us closer to communism but.... You have been warned.

(Not like in this time and age there'll be alot of options that'll bring us closer to communism, but hey.)

EDIT: Also, I like trying new and unique things and the idea of another elective monarchy just seems bland to me, even if this one might have some theocratic drapery hanging around or something. So yeah.

But what is a communism without General Secretary of Communist party?
I believe that we are on the right way here.

Oshha · Feb 14, 2019

Have mentioned that Evalyn is still a virgin?

Random Member · Feb 14, 2019

Star said:
But what is a communism without General Secretary of Communist party?

Trotsky > Stalin

jamie96969 · Feb 14, 2019

[X] [Evalyn] Yes. She shall lead the People to victory and reclaim the lost Merntir lands. (Change Government Type to Early Ancient Theocratic Monarchy, +1 Legitimacy, +2 Stability, +1 Hierarchy)

[X] [Bonus] Gain two new war-related innovations.

Vocalend · Feb 14, 2019

Raichu1972 said:
It seems like optimal here is being used as "the path to make our civ the strongest", but it could just as easily be "the path to get divinely engineered catgirls" or something (looking at you @Vocalend )

Fact #1: Cats are servants of Arthryn
Fact #2: One of the major Blessings is that the female followers the religion are shaped in the likeness of Arthryn.
Logical Extrapolation #1: The followers of Arthryn 'serves' her to gain the boon.
Fact #3: Our major organizations are prefixed with Cat- in the front.

Conclusion: It is entirely possible that along the road, the especially spiritual or devout gain more overt physical gifts that shape them into half-catfolks. Ergo, 'divinely engineered catgirls' :3

Truly, the most optimal civilization is the one that can attain this the fastest

Star · Feb 14, 2019

Random Member said:
Trotsky > Stalin

Random Member · Feb 14, 2019

Star said:

Ah, Stalin-Thanos memes. A classic, truly.

Vocalend said:
Fact #1: Cats are servants of Arthryn
Fact #2: One of the major Blessings is that the female followers the religion are shaped in the likeness of Arthryn.
Logical Extrapolation #1: The followers of Arthryn 'serves' her to gain the boon.
Fact #3: Our major organizations are prefixed with Cat- in the front.

Conclusion: It is entirely possible that along the road, the especially spiritual or devout, gain more overt physical gifts that shape them into half-catfolks. Ergo, 'divinely engineered catgirls' :3

Truly, the most optimal civilization is the one that can attain this the fastest

Little did they know that this was all going according to Comrade Ryndom's plan.

Praise Chairwoman Meow!

NúmenoreanNazgûl · Feb 14, 2019

[X] [Evalyn] Yes. She shall lead the People to victory and reclaim the lost Merntir lands. (Change Government Type to Early Ancient Theocratic Monarchy, +1 Legitimacy, +2 Stability, +1 Hierarchy)
Elective monarchy is fine. As long as we don't go for hereditary.

[X] [Bonus] Gain two new war-related innovations.

Knight Draco · Feb 14, 2019

Raichu1972 said:
it could just as easily be "the path to get divinely engineered catgirls"

Wasnt this the goal from the start?

Hallesworth49 · Feb 14, 2019

@Oshha , your one mistake was the cat vote. And we will do our best the exploit this mistake as far as possible.

thefoolswriter · Feb 14, 2019

my option on the current subject and what I want are civ to become

[I am only being half serious]

Random Member · Feb 14, 2019

thefoolswriter said:
my option on the current subject and what I want are civ to become [I am only being half serious]

Going Full Nomad ourselves would be best for that.

Star · Feb 14, 2019

Random Member said:
Ah, Stalin-Thanos memes. A classic, truly.

Little did they know that this was all going according to Comrade Ryndom's plan.

Praise Chairwoman Meow!

That is what you are led to believe

10ebbor10 · Feb 14, 2019

Oshha said:
I don't know about PoC, but my system doesn't require Great Men for civilisation to advance, but they speed things up. It is completely viable for a civ to advance without any Heroes or Genius and you could cut them out of the game mechanics will unduly impacting things. Heroes and Genius are meant to represent that the exceptional figures of history who helped shaped it and even then, they don't necessarily do end up shaping it. Curyn only discovered poison and painkillers and that was it while two Heroes perished in the lowlands due to the Nightmare's Gift and everything they did in their lives and then so was undone during the lifespan of their generation.

Edit: I do agree that it is inherent in the system that Heroes and Geniuses advance their civilisation, but I disagree that a civilisation requires them to advance.

Consider the mechanics. [BTW, you mechanics ruleset got vandalized. May want to clean out the suggestions.

In the absence of modifiers (which I assume we don't have too many), we make 1 innovation and 1 hero roll per main turn. The hero roll has 5% chance of succeeding, while the innovation roll has 10% chance. However, the hero can live for several turns, while the innovation roll only happens once.

As such, heroes are considerably more important to growth of societies than non-hero innovations.

Random Member said:
EDIT: Also, I like trying new and unique things and the idea of another elective monarchy just seems bland to me, even if this one might have some theocratic drapery hanging around or something. So yeah.

Thing is, we probably won't win the civil war even if we try it. The best and easiest way to avoid a monarchy, is to allow it to form now and then deliberatly spend us into a famine on the first turn we control, at which point the people will be all "off with their head", while we don't have to face a martial hero.

Raichu1972 · Feb 14, 2019

10ebbor10 said:
Consider the mechanics. [BTW, you mechanics ruleset got vandalized. May want to clean out the suggestions.

In the absence of modifiers (which I assume we don't have too many), we make 1 innovation and 1 hero roll per main turn. The hero roll has 5% chance of succeeding, while the innovation roll has 10% chance. However, the hero can live for several turns, while the innovation roll only happens once.

As such, heroes are considerably more important to growth of societies than non-hero innovations.

Thing is, we probably won't win the civil war even if we try it. The best and easiest way to avoid a monarchy, is to allow it to form now and then deliberatly spend us into a famine on the first turn we control, at which point the people will be all "off with their head", while we don't have to face a martial hero.

According to the information given by @Oshha, we will be able to decide who leads once Evelyn dies. Hopefully this will include an option to go back to the old ways (Rule by priests/elders) or at least some way to create a more egalitarian kind of rule (anything but "meritocracy" please). This will likely have some sort of mechanical downside (if only because we're going from an absolute ruler back to a rule by council), so I just have to hope that enough people vote for the more egalitarian option.

Knight Draco · Feb 14, 2019

Given the spirit of communism on Valentine's day...

Don't know that second guy though, probably another socialist.

nkd1325 · Feb 14, 2019

10ebbor10 said:
BTW, you mechanics ruleset got vandalized. May want to clean out the suggestions.

I took a look and all but two are legitimate typo corrections. Wouldn't really call that vandalism.

Star · Feb 14, 2019

Knight Draco said:
Given the spirit of communism on Valentine's day...

Don't know that second guy though, probably another socialist.

Oshha · Feb 14, 2019

Vote closed.
Vote Tally : Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest - Original | Page 163 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 4067-4286]
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Task: Bonus
[X][Bonus] Gain two new war-related innovations.
No. of Votes: 39
[X][Bonus] Upgrade the Value Sacred War
No. of Votes: 11

Vanguard_D
Chiperninerm
Chrestomanci
Citino
looseanon
Omegahugger
ScreenWatcher
sunrise
Theunderbolt
veekie
wingstrike96

[X][Bonus] Get a random Hero.
No. of Votes: 6

Random Member
demonthese2211
Marlin
Pyre
sam5447
Vocalend

[X][Bonus] Upgrade an existing Hero.
No. of Votes: 3

AegisCollector
Cariyaga
Knight Draco

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Evalyn
[X][Evalyn] Yes. She shall lead the People to victory and reclaim the lost Merntir lands. (Change Government Type to Early Ancient Theocratic Monarchy, +1 Legitimacy, +2 Stability, +1 Hierarchy)
No. of Votes: 51
[X][Evalyn] No. The priests serve the goddesses faithfully and Evalyn is a traitor. (Civil War, -1 Legitimacy, -2 Stability)
No. of Votes: 7

Random Member
Marlin
Raichu1972
sam5447
Vocalend
Wentley
Zaealix

Total No. of Voters: 62

Raichu1972 · Feb 14, 2019

Well, let's see how The First Crusade (TM) goes.

By the way @Oshha, did we fail the quest by the Elders and Priests to save the Merentir?
And did we get the double veneration from killing Vervov?

Not sure if you just did all that stat stuff behind the scenes in the last update or if it got cancelled by the change in leadership.

Random Member · Feb 14, 2019

Don't disappoint me!

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