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Alaska: LARGE cruiser goddamnit.

That said, I agree with you. She'd be a fun boat to write, and I'm outlining a quest featuring here. (Any interest in questing as the US's last battle LARGE cruiser?)
 
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We have battlecruisers, its just Jersey's Kai Ni x4, and she even gets Final Atomic tomhawk to deal with pesky Abyssal Super ships. Though Alaska is strange in that its a gun cruiser, which just happened to be not the right fit. I joke that she's pretty much simlar to the flight 1 LCS (give her some missiles, problem solved). My silly Omake idea would be Hornet, the master of the paranormal, more than anything. She already has seen the great war, and the next generation of technology.
 
Harry Leferts said:
Arizona stood in place as she watched Jane talking with a vendor while also making sure to scan her surroundings. Part of the battleship was amused though as Mutsu and Hiei had kept giving her uneasy looks whenever one of the more skimpy cosplayers walked by. If anything, Arizona only rolled her eyes.

She did live through the Flappers after all. Her issue was mainly wearing certain things when it was not appropriate such as on duty. Or when at a gathering with the Admiral. Of course, she was shaken out of her thoughts by a tap on her shoulder and turned to see a teen there. "Yes?"

The next words out of the teen's mouth though caused Arizona to blush and nearly sputter as she pointed at Jane. "Is that your daughter?" Misunderstanding Arizona's expression, she held up her hands. "Hey, no offence really. You look great for your age and being a mother. And your daughter is just so kawaii in her costume..."

Still a bit off kilter, Arizona gaped like a fish for a moment. "I... That..."

However, the teenaged girl frowned a bit as she looked Arizona over. "Um, just a bit of advice and all. But while having the same costume as your daughter is heartwarming and all, you really should put as much effort as she did. I mean, she looks like Arizona from what I've seen on the net... You, on the other hand... Not so much."

Choking a bit, Arizona raised a finger. "B-b-but..."

All the teen did was pat her on the shoulder. "Great try though. Maybe you should chose someone else next time though."

With those parting words, the teen left and was soon lost in the crowd of con-goers. Finally, Arizona managed to say a response. "But I'm the real Arizona..."

It was then that a disturbed Mutsu walked up and leaned into Arizona. "Please... Hold me."

Being as she was still offkilter from what happened, Arizona only blinked. "I... What?"

A shudder ran through Mutsu as she clung to her friend. "Two over weighty guys... In beards... Dressed like me and my onii-sama... And doing what they thought were sexy poses."

Not even a moment later, Arizona scowled, but still hugged her. "Thank you for telling me that..."

Of course, that was when Jane returned and began to drag the two off. "Come on! Jintsuu and Hiei found the photographer I wanted to see! He's got a green screen that we can use so that it can look like I'm standing on water!" Her mouth then scrunched up some. "Hey, since he's doing pictures with shipgirls, can you have your rigging out? Because that would make it so cool and..."

As Jane continued to babble, both Arizona and Mutsu had confused expressions on their faces. Which of course soon melted into fond looks before they shared a smile.
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Ahh, the perils of cosplay. Still, that was quite cute. And Ari's reactions were great. Poor Mutsu though. Can't win 'em all. XD

One minor nitpick if you don't mind: Dressed like me and my onii-sama
Shoudl be onee-sama. Onii is for an older brother.
theJMPer said:
Alaska: LARGE cruiser goddamnit.

That said, I agree with you. She'd be a fun boat to write, and I'm outlining a quest featuring here. (Any interest in questing as the US's last battle LARGE cruiser?)
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I'm all for it! :D

Schedule permitting that is. XP
Aires Drake said:
(Hell yes!)
I need to do more writing now that I'm (currently) unemployed again.
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Ouch. My condolences. Hopefully something will come along soon for ye.
 
Old Iron said:
I... Uh... I have no way to refute that logic without calling in WOG. The hell? :wtf:
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Well, this at least is pretty easy to refute. Jane is what, nine? So unless the Abyssal War has been going on at least that long then Langley both being manifest and in a position to have a child is unlikely. Impossible, no, since there could be weird early summoning/appearance shenanigans going on, but that's a major stretch. :p
 
theJMPer said:
Alaska: LARGE cruiser goddamnit.

That said, I agree with you. She'd be a fun boat to write, and I'm outlining a quest featuring here. (Any interest in questing as the US's last battle LARGE cruiser?)
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Believe me, having written plans for Guam in my SI based around that distinction...I'm well aware of the fact Alaska isn't a proper BC by any means.

That said, CB-1 seems to be well in hand with the quest idea. So...hmm...Guam or...

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...wait a tick. The Brits summoned Victory, so maybe they have actual BCs to play around with.

HMAS Australia or HMS Tiger, Y/N?
 
Akritedes said:
You know, coming back to this you aren't really doing anything to convince anyone that USS Langley isn't Jane's mom. It would depend on how long the whole Abyssal thing has been going or odd circumstances, but...
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It would have to do with whether there is any connection to the various ghost ships, both spiritual and physical, that have been reported throughout history. I can name off the top of my head, at least two. The Schooner Jenny and the Baychemio. The Jenny was a British schooner with the last entry in the log being:
"May 4, 1823. No food for 71 days. I am the only one left alive."
The captain who wrote it was found slumped in his chair, pen still in his hand 17 years later. The ship had survived the Antarctic seas that long without a crew. The ship who found them buried the crew/passengers at sea, including a dog and then left it adrift.

The story of the Baychimo is no stranger. In fact, it might be even more odd. It was a ship that was transporting furs in the 1930s when it became trapped in Arctic ice. Worried about it being crushed after it stayed there for a few days, the crew got off it and waited on the ice for rescue. During the night though, the ice loosened and the ship was freed before it drifted off, no one aboard. Several weeks later, some natives managed to get onto it and retrieved some of the furs. Several times over the next couple of years the ship was boarded and then tied to another ship. Only for it to slip free or break the rope and go off again. Last confirmed sighting was from a US Coast Guard plane in the 1950s, almost thirty years after she was abandoned. The last unconfirmed sighting was in 1969. And the Alaskan government has launched a search for it in the past few years, even saying they're not sure that she sank.

So yeah, who really knows...
 
It's possible If abyssal manifested in a trickle that grew. Like a leaking dam eventually it broke allowing the summoning of shipgirls.
But if a shipgirl manifested during the trickle phase then depending on where she showed up.
She would most likely be treated as an amnesiac that lost all forms of id and had to build up form scratch.
Which has happened to people in real life.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Believe me, having written plans for Guam in my SI based around that distinction...I'm well aware of the fact Alaska isn't a proper BC by any means.

That said, CB-1 seems to be well in hand with the quest idea. So...hmm...Guam or...

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...wait a tick. The Brits summoned Victory, so maybe they have actual BCs to play around with.

HMAS Australia or HMS Tiger, Y/N?
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We already have four battlecruisers to play with. The Kongos.


And before someone say that the spaced armor, just stopped.

I recently found out that two thinner plates, like Kongos eight inch belt follow by an eight in bulkhead scheme, does not equal the same strength as sixteen inches of armor. The reason being is that they are not as hard, even combined, as a thicker plate of the same metal. The harder the metal is the less likely it its to be penetrated.
This can explain it better.
Why one thick deck is better than two thin ones

In case the link doesn't work. The entire page.
Why one thick deck is better than two thin ones
By Daniel (Cen) Mercer
Updated 05 February 1999

Here's the short answer to the multiple thin decks vs. the single thick one.

The issue is local stiffness, in this case the only area that matters is that at the point of impact of the shell (or immediately surrounding it).

Penetration by a shell is very similar to a hardness test. The area hit with the penetrator is small, but there is a given amount of support around it due to whatever is holding it. In the case of armor plate, there is framing behind the plate which supports it and adds stiffness. Since this framing is assumed to be distant relative to the impact zone of the shell it is ignored for immune zone calculations.

Since the framing is ignored, we can cut to the heart of the matter. The only way to locally increase the stiffness of the plate without considering the framing behind it is to thicken it (or add shape to it - but this is not feasible when the plate is rolled and surface hardened ("cemented")).

When a shell strikes armor it must first penetrate the surface, and then deform (or splinter) the rest of the plate out of the way. The stiffness of the plate is critical in determining whether or not the shell will penetrate.

If we were looking at this as a structural analysis, the many thin plates with the spacing would be considerably stiffer in a structural calculation like bending (EXPONENTIALLY stiffer as the thickness of the steel's value to the moment of inertia a given distance perpendicular to the axis of loading of the structure is cubed in standard calculations ("h^3" below), and then the distance between the thinner plates factors in AGAIN (as the distance from the neutral bending axis to the extreme fiber "c") in the calculation for stress) - the formula for moment of inertia (I) of a rectangular section is b*h^3/12 - the formula for stress in bending is M*c/I where: M=the bending moment (length * force) c=distance from the neutral bending axis to the extreme fiber I=the moment of inertia of the section Therefore, the total effect of this distance is multiplied to the 4th power, and the thinner plates happily add up their strength (and then some).

This is all well and good, but we're not talking about structural design, here we are talking about local impacts. What this means now is that the "h^3" in the moment of inertia calculation comes back to haunt us. The many thinner plates are considered SEPARATELY in this calculation. (This one's a bear and I really don't want to write it out here)

Because its effect is EXPONENTIAL in nature, there is not a linear correlation between the LOCAL stiffness of the single thicker plate vs. the many thinner plates. Now the many plates, because they are too distant relative to each other, can't help each other out. The single thicker plate is EXPONENTIALLY stiffer than the many thinner plates because it's "h" value is LOCALLY higher.

The effect of raising "h" to the 3rd power is so pronounced that it even over comes the loss in velocity and tip effectiveness caused by penetrating the individual plates IN SEQUENCE.

Now, I know you must think I'm nuts for calling this the short version, but it is. The long version takes two years of calculus and differential equations, and roughly three years of statics, dynamics, strength of materials, physics and metallurgy.

To provide a rule of thumb: The single thicker plate is more effective at resisting penetration by a shell because it is LOCALLY stiffer than the many thin plates, and penetration by a shell is a LOCAL phenomenon.
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Interestingly, the Alaska class cruisers have slightly better main guns, slightly less armor, and massively better AA than IJN Kongou, so she could really be classed a straight up battleship with almost no problem.
 
Firefinder12-B said:
We already have four battlecruisers to play with. The Kongos.


And before someone say that the spaced armor, just stopped.

I recently found out that two thinner plates, like Kongos eight inch belt follow by an eight in bulkhead scheme, does not equal the same strength as sixteen inches of armor. The reason being is that they are not as hard, even combined, as a thicker plate of the same metal. The harder the metal is the less likely it its to be penetrated.
This can explain it better.
Why one thick deck is better than two thin ones

In case the link doesn't work. The entire page.
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All of which is true...

BUT

...the only Kongou sister who hasn't shown up yet is Haruna. Kongou and Hiei are too heavily intertwined in their respective positions, and I don't want to step on toes. And then there's the Washima minefield with Kirishima. And much as I love Haruna's character...

I'd rather go in a different direction, if possible. BCs are some of my favorite ships, so the Brits are the only option there other than Large Cruiser Guam.

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Interestingly, the Alaska class cruisers have slightly better main guns, slightly less armor, and massively better AA than IJN Kongou, so she could really be classed a straight up battleship with almost no problem.
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Their guns are technically better than the 14inchers on the Standards, like say, Arizona. But as mentioned...they're not battlecruisers by any means. The Alaska's have next to no underwater protection. They're really just upscaled...Baltimores I believe. With everything that entails. The navy calling them Large Cruisers isn't just to be difficult, unfortunately.
 
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Omake: The Book Deal.

'I have never served in the U.S. Military. But I could tell something was wrong. The first sign was Diligence, dodging around river ferries at 17 Kts. The second sign was the poor cutter being vaporized by what I would later learn was what the JSDF had nicknamed a Ne-class.

Looking back I guess on some level I knew that the safest place in town was behind 16 in steel armor. By the time the second salvo hit somewhere around Princess St. I had my pasty white ass inside her C-turret.

I can't rightly say why I started fiddling with the Mark 8 in the turret. Maybe to keep sound of shelling from driving me insane. Hell, who knows if it worked or not because just as I moved the target speed to 0 Kts the turret started turning.

Remember that scene in Back to the Future where Marty gently wakes up his dad? That was me. You don't understand how loud a 16"/45 gun is until you are inside one when it fires.'

---Excerpt from "Care and Feeding of a Battleship, Or How I am Technically a Fairy2​" By F.C. 2nd class Harlen Rigsby
 
Actually, as I try to plot out the idea for an omake...

@theJMPer , just to make certain, is Tiger an option. Or Australia? I know that Ze Germans don't have girls, but I want to try and write within the canon if at all possible, so best to be certain before I start anything.
 
I distinctly remember it being mentioned that in BelBat canon the Germans haven't summoned any girls. Though I may be wrong, been a bit since that was brought up.
 
The only nations that have summoned girls are Japan, American, and Britain and her Empire. (I've got something planned for the German ships, so I'm reserving them for now.)
 
Hey, I actually remembered something right for once! On the other hand, no Seydlitz. :(

That said, if the Brits have girls...HMS Tiger, ho!

(now to actually write the thing)
 
@Harry Leferts and @Skywalker_T-65
I remember @theJMPer saying that there isn't any German Shipgirls cause the Germans don't need them like Japan and the UK does to survive and that is a small part of the reason why the US is having just a hard time with summoning theirs. Cause let be honest the US, hell the entire continent, really doesn't need ocean trade that badly sure it be painful as hell in the short run, but in the long run?
 
Firefinder12-B said:
Cause let be honest the US, hell the entire continent, really doesn't need ocean trade that badly sure it be painful as hell in the short run, but in the long run?
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We could theoretically isolate ourselves and let the rest of the world burn, but unfortunately for the shipgirls, we aren't going to sit around on our arses and watch good men and women die.

Or let our allies down.
 
We do need the oceans, Hawaii and Guam need ocean trade to thrive.. So I expect ships should be summoned there.
 
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