I was talking about there general location.

Planet side shipgirl fun not so bad, can't really break the planet that easily...

Space stations on the other hand...
There's a reason why artificial gravity is a thing.

And shipgirls may or may not be able to turn down the A-G in their quarters because of reasons. :p
"Steve I think the shipgirl habitation ring gyros are on the fritz, I have a repeating shudders going on for the last two hours."
"DO THEY EVER FREAKING STOP!?"
GALE STOP BEING SEXY
Wash: I think that the answer to that will be... No.
Gale: *Whistles innocently*
Awesome. Though I will admit that I half expect someone to introduce the Taffies to Macross. Transforming giant spaceship literally surfing through an atmosphere on top of a chunk of wreckage?

Jersey: I have to admit, that is simultaneously the most metal and most J-Pop scene that I have ever seen.
A/N: probably going to be the last update before Christmas, have a merry one, everybody!

HOT SLICK AND LONLEY GG FRM I-19 TO COMINCH INFO ABYSSAL TF SPOTTED. APPROX SIX BATTLESHIPS ESCORTING ICEBERG. AM I SEEING THINGS? RR LEWDMARINES GONE WILD
Merry Christmas. And what do we have here now...
Nice little addition to the spaceshipgirls omakes. We're getting into some really weird Abyssals here. Alien ships and all. And Kuiper Belt Princess? Galactic Ghoul Princess? A ship called the deGrasse? I'm cracking up here. XD
Galactic Ghoul Princess is like the memetic version of Hoppo. Small, cute.. and easily bribed with either candy or space probes. Kuiper Belt Princess is always hiding, though people think she's on Pluto because of what happens with the deGrasse, I mean the guy was one of the most vocal proponents of Pluto being demoted from planethood. And that's despite Pluto practically showing us her heart.

Also: Lewd. So very lewd~
Gale: We're consenting adults. *Waggles eyebrows*
GALE WILL NEVER STOP BEING SEXY.
Wash: See, he gets it. Though she is more "Sexy-cute" really...
I WANT THESE SEXY THOUGHTS OUT OF MY CIC NOW!
Wash: Once more, no. Seriously though, Gale in Yoga pants? She's such a tease at times.
Gale: Just getting you back for who knows how many times.
 
I just had a humorous idea that I have to share. Jersey and the various other Kanmusu all deploy off the coasts of the nations their at on Christmas Eve and join in with NORAD's annual tracking of Santa Claus/Father Christmas. Also included would have to be a scene of Jane under her covers listening to Arizona, Hiei, and Mutsu all reporting in on Santa's approach to Japan before diving under her covers.
 
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San Fran : Why would you have wing turrets? They're utterly useless! Centreline turrets are the way to go!
Says the ship with four pairs of 5" wing turrets.

As to why, it's probably the firing arcs it gives.

Now let's play this game. What turret arrangement would you prefer to achieve six gun broadsides? And just to make it fair, you can use neither super firing nor twin gun turrets.
 
It's actually a reference to a discussion on SB about the potential stupidity of that fore-facing turret on Naka's stern. People thought she'd accidentally shoot her own superstructure, other people accused the first guy of making Naka cry... things got out of hand.

But it was funny, and I've been sitting on it until now.
 
Old Iron Christmas Special.
Speaking of Christmas, I made something silly.

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The sky was filled with dark, billowing clouds that coated the landscape with a half-foot deep blanket of snow. Some might find the weather dreary and depressing were it not for the laurels and boughs of holly decked all about. It was actually rather hard to find some place that wasn't getting into the season in some way, shape, or form. Even some of the grumpiest of individuals had given in to the holiday cheer and hung something festive on their door.

The myriad homes in USFAS' housing distict were just as varied in their decorations as their occupants, if they had any at the moment. Some had opted to share the holidays with friends or family off base and a few of the ship captains were having a grand time on their boats with the crews who hadn't taken any leave.

One home in particular stood out owing to the poorly painted candy-cane colored life-preserver hanging on the front door. It was covered in appropriately colored sparkles and with tinsel glued to the rope that wound about the frame of the former safety device. The phrase 'Merry Christmas' was painted around the circumference in sloppy lettering.

Richardson adjusted it one last time to make sure it hung properly on the door.

"And done." He stepped back to take in the entire front of the house and admire his handiwork. The lights running the length of the gutters were all lit up and finally not drooping. And the ones circling the windows had only taken two tries to get right. To top it all off, the bits of holly hanging from the light-strands were all staying in place.

"It looks beautiful." Mutsu piped up from his left. She was wearing a rather attractive looking getup suited for the season. A red skirt with white fluff lining the edges and matching top. A wide, black belt fastened by a silver buckle sat about her shapely hips and a short, red cape rested over her shoulders. The thigh-high stockings, black boots, and white gloves completed the look. Were it not for the fact the cold hardly bothered her, she might have donned a heavy coat to go outside.

"Yeah, it does. I'm just glad we could actually decorate the place this year." His tone held its usual ire, but he refrained from swearing. Just in case Jane was hiding nearby.

"Things were a little hectic last Christmas." She clasped her hands behind her back and looked up into the falling snow. "Supply problems. Constant deployments. The learning curve..."

"You and Hiei did just fine with what you had. Got a little banged up, but you still came home. Can't ask for much more than that, can I." Richardson crossed his arms. "We couldn't really celebrate it like I wanted, but what we had was better than nothing. Still, I would have liked Jane to not have Christmas dinner in the CIC."

"It was certainly better than not having it at all. Or all alone." She giggled before casting an amused expression towards her admiral. "My, my. But you are a demanding man."

"And you've known that for how long now? Since day one?" He cast a suspicious gaze towards his XO, who merely laughed jovially. With a resigned sigh he patted her on the back and ushered her forward. "Come on. They're probably wondering what's taking so long."

"I rather like it out here. But if you insist~"

"I do insist. I'm freaking freezing out here even with all this on."

The pair made their way inside, Richardson with a bit more haste than Mutsu. Even bundled up as he was, it still wasn't quite enough to stave off winter's frigid touch.

"It is going to burn."

"It'll be fine. Just a little bit more."

"I can see smoke."

"Mutsu, is it bad that I would like nothing more than to go back outside and pray I was unconcious?" The banter coming from the kitchen was not something one should ever be glad to hear. Even less so when it involved two battleships. One of whom was apparently taking her recently restored kitchen privelidges as an opportunity to experiment.

"...Only if you leave us behind." She sighed and shook her boots off. "I'll go see what I can do."

"You're a life saver. I'll go check on Jane and Jintsuu." Richardson ignored the yelp of shock that resulted when Mutsu entered the kitchen as he removed his winter coat and gloves. He would have left his boots on were it not for the fact he recalled just how much Jintsuu hated it when he did so. He'd remember it properly one of these days.

He trudged into the dining room to see his daughter and the sole light cruiser under his command flitting about the table, setting down tableware, cups, and various items in preparation for dinner. Jintsuu moved with considerably more grace than Jane and it proved quite useful when the latter got underfoot. He observed no less than four near misses before his presence was realized.

"Daddy! Are the lights all up?" Jane's cheery mood was contagious and she grinned even more widely when she saw her father crack a smile. Her festive attire made her look like she had attempted to wear a Christmas tree and he thought it was cute as could be. "No burns?"

"Nope. Besides, I was putting up lights, not cheap fireworks." You get what you pay for turned out to be painfully true last July. And he was not eager to have another trip to the ER. Especially now. He reached out and ruffled her short hair, glancing at Jintsuu for a moment. "How're things going in here?"

"We've almost finished setting the table. And... no doubt you heard about the ongoings in the kitchen." Jintsuu sighed as she placed a hand to her cheek. Much like Mutsu, she had opted to dress for the season and was even wearing something rather similar, albeit with a rather lovely shade of green instead. The cut and length she had chosen was also considerably more conservative and easy to move in than the battleship's. Well, Richardson thought they were similar.

"Unfortunately. I'm wondering if I should start regretting giving Hiei her priveliges back now or later." Hiei tried. She really did. But he had seen more casualties from her cooking than he saw survivors. By orders of magnitude. How the Emperor's Ship managed to pull that feat off was beyond him. "Need a hand?"

"You can go help bring the food in from the kitchen." Jane's commanding directive broadened his smile and elicited a giggle from Jintsuu. "Me and Jintsuu can finish up here."

"Jintsuu and I, Jane. How often have I told you that?" Jintsuu walked over to the father and daughter whilst gently rebuking the little girl.

"But it sounds silly..." Jane pouted as she shot the cruiser an disbelieving and irritated look.

"It's also correct. You don't hear Arizona or Mutsu speaking like that, do you?" She placed a gentle hand on Richardson's should and nodded towards the kitchen, which had become eerily silent. "We'll handle this. Please make sure they're all still alive in there."

He really wished she was joking.

"Alright. But if I'm not back in ten minutes, call the meds." Richardson ruffled Jane's hair once more before giving a resigned look to Jintsuu. "Once more, into the breach..."

The sight that greeted him was not one he expected in the slightest. No. In fact had he been asked exactly one thousand times, he would have answered the same way exactly one thousand times. Near dead silence save for the soft bubbling of sauce on the stove. His three battleships were standing around a plate containing some manner of food item. What, exactly, he was not certain at the moment.

Hiei stood there looking triumphant and imperious, her ovenmitt covered hands on her jeans covered hips and chest thrust out proudly. The eye-bending Christmas dazzle camo sweater was only partly concealed by the novelty 'Kiss the Admiral' apron that Mutsu had gotten him as a gag on his birthday.

Opposite her was Arizona, looking both baffled and stoic at the same time whilst chewing on what was likely a piece of whatever was on the plate. It was if she wasn't quite sure what to make of her current situation, something that had been thankfully falling off the more time she spent around others. Especially Jane. The sole American warship was wearing a simple red turtleneck that managed to be all-concealing while revealing... far more than she perhaps realized. The long blue dress-skirt had a similar effect and made Richardson believe Mutsu had a hand in dressing the dreadnought.

Mutsu's expression was the real winner however. Her face was colored in abject disbelief as she stared at the plate. The silverware in her hand looked to be mere moments from falling from her slackening grip.

"H-How?"

"I told you I could cook." Hiei's victorious tone was plainly obvious. "I've served even the Emperor. And there's no way he would have eaten anything less than the best."

"I... Do not understand. This was about to catch fire." Arizona seemed more confused about the apparent avoidance of a kitchen fire than the actual taste. She set down the fork she had used before continuing. "But it is delicious." And here she had been led to believe Hiei's cooking was nothing short of toxic runoff. At best.

"B-But it's never like this! You left poor Jintsuu bedridden for days." Mutsu's statement drew a cough from the fast battleship, who looked both put out and embarrassed at the same time.

"I might have tried something that didn't work out too well last time. I thought it tasted fine though..." She picked up a fork and took a bite of the plate's contents for herself. A hum of happiness escaped her as she popped the morsel in her mouth. It did certainly taste better than her usual attempts. But it was just as edible as everything else.

"Let me try." Richardson made his presence known as he picked up a spare untensil.

"Ah, Admiral-"

Richardson didn't catch Arizona's warning before he scooped up a bit of the apparently mysteriously delicious cooking and took a healthy bite. He would be the first to admit it was most absolutely amazing. How? He had not even the slightest clue. Did Hiei really make this? Really and truly?

"It's good. It's very good." Hiei seemed to be extraordinarily pleased with his words. "I'd even call it a Christmas Miracle."

"Hey! Now you're just making fun of me."

"I believe his praise is genuine, Hiei." Arizona's comment mollified Hiei, who went right back to her energetic self. Mutsu still seemed to be caught in a state of wonder.

"Alright. Enoguh playing around. Jane and Jintsuu have set the table and are waiting for us." Richardson shuckled before pointing at one of the food laden plates. "The troops must be fed, ladies!"

Christmas dinner was a joyous affair for all.

Jane and Arizona sat next to each other, with the former keeping the latter engaged in conversation. It was plain to see how out of her element the battleship was. But the smile on her face never once faltered.

Hiei took the seat opposite Arizona while Jintsuu took the one opposite Jane. Hiei's dinner was scrumptious beyond words. Something only Arizona did not have trouble believing. Jintsuu paled upon the revelation, but eventually settled into simply enjoying the meal and the company.

Mutsu opted to sit herself at the foot of the table and busied herself with lively teasing and banter when not attempting to figure out why none of them were fleeing from what had been put on their plates. Perhaps it was a miracle. Or perhaps Hiei had finally gotten it right this time. Somehow.

Admiral Richardson spent probably more time serving up plate after plate of food at the head of the table than engaging in talk. But he was still having fun, despite the look on his face. For once he was able to have everyone sit down at the table and just have a nice, fun dinner without having something hanging over their heads. The war was set aside for the evening and he could not be more thankful for the cheer that permitted.

They sat there, enjoying the food and the company for well over an hour. The merriment and smiles unending on a snowy Christmas Eve.

Unfortunately it eventually came time for the dinner to end.

With bellies full to bursting and tiredness setting in, it was decided that clearing the table and relaxing was probably a good choice of action.

Bit by bit, the table was emptied of dishes, cups, and what have you.

It was on his return trip to see if there was anything else he could take back to the kitchen, that Richardson collided with someone in the doorway. He steadied the both of them, more himself given he was heavier than only one of the house's current occupants, but steadied nonetheless.

A mischievous chuckle drew his attention to Jane seated back at the table.

"Hehe... Daddy, look up."

And he did.

And there, hanging aove the doorframe, was a sprig of mistletoe.
* * * * *
TBC...?
 
Says the ship with four pairs of 5" wing turrets.

They're secondaries, not my main armament! I seriously don't understand why you would even have your main armament on wing turrets, because then if you're broadside onto a target, you can't bring a turret or more to bear onto the target. I understand the need for dakka, but to put turrets where you can't use all the guns mounted on a warship all the time, it's silly.
 
It's because Naka's from that period of time when everyone was trying to figure out How To Navy. There's a lot of strange gun-arrangements, like the US Omaha class that got tried out simply because there was no standard way of doing things.

The modern arrangement a few all-centerline turrets really wasn't a thing until very shortly before WWII.
 
It's because Naka's from that period of time when everyone was trying to figure out How To Navy. There's a lot of strange gun-arrangements, like the US Omaha class that got tried out simply because there was no standard way of doing things.

The modern arrangement a few all-centerline turrets really wasn't a thing until very shortly before WWII.
Wasn't that shortly. There were tons of ships pre-WWII that had no main turrets in wing configurations.

Pretty much every American BB South Carolina and onward had no wing'd main turrets.

Cruisers... cruisers had them for a while after that admittedly.

Destroyers have been Centerline for longer than the SC class I think... *checks* Lookjs like it.

It's really just Cruisers that refused to get the memo on the US side of things (Even then by roughly 1920 the US was going Centerline). Japan took another generation of BB to get pure centerline.

Entertainingly Sendai being at least a generation or two after Tenryuu, which has no main battery wing turrets, does have them, meaning Japan reversed it.
 
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The really great thing is there is at least one light cruiser that still had wing main battery turrets when it was created during WWII. Atlanta-Class Light AA cruiser.
 
The really great thing is there is at least one light cruiser that still had wing main battery turrets when it was created during WWII. Atlanta-Class Light AA cruiser.
And that came with a price: it was even more top-heavy and unwieldy on the seas than the Fletcher, the wing turrets still had a limited firing arc, and the ship didn't even have enough gun directors for all of her main battery.
EDIT: There were four more cruisers made based on the Atlanta's design, but they're called the Oakland-class for one big reason, dropping the wing turrets.
 
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And that came with a price: it was even more top-heavy and unwieldy on the seas than the Fletcher, the wing turrets still had a limited firing arc, and the ship didn't even have enough gun directors for all of her main battery.
EDIT: There were four more cruisers made based on the Atlanta's design, but they're called the Oakland-class for one big reason, dropping the wing turrets.
The gun directors issue issue was fixed by '42, the Oakland-class you referenced is more officially called the Juneau-Class, though no ships of the class were technically built until '46, and honestly if it wasn't for the topheavyness being somewhat alleviated by losing 4 guns, them having a limited firing arc wouldn't even bother me, certainly doesn't when I'm in her in WoWS, though... admittedly, I wouldn't be going broadside and showing a citadel the size of alaska either.
 
the Oakland-class you referenced is more officially called the Juneau-Class,
We must be looking at different sourcebooks then. I just put the wikipedia link to the Oakland since it's the first 'Atlanta' ship that actually, you know, deleted the wing turrets.
honestly if it wasn't for the topheavyness being somewhat alleviated by losing 4 guns, them having a limited firing arc wouldn't even bother me, certainly doesn't when I'm in her in WoWS, though
If you're making an evaluation of a historical vehicle based on how 'good' it is in a WarGaming product, something is very, very, very wrong with your value standards.
 
Christmas Special!
Christmas Special time! Non-canon and written on very little sleep. Let's see how/if it holds up!
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Jersey scowled as her bow smashed though a freezing arctic wave. It was an absolutely miserable night to be at sea. The scattered clouds were just enough to block any potentially pleasing view of the stars without providing even a shred of warmth. What an utter, unmitigatedly horrible way to spend Christmas day.

The battleship's scowl deepened as ice-cold spray splashed over her face and slicked her hair back against her freezing skull. Actually, she'd crossed the International Date Line a few hours ago, which meant she was technically steaming along on Christmas eve.

As if that was some-fucking-how better. She was still cold and miserable. Her stomach was grumbling at the distinct lack of fuel oil in her bunkers. Every time she hit a wave, the end of her sopping-wet ponytail slapped against her butt with a wet squelch. Her shorts were almost soaked though, and she just knew Crowning and Was were enjoying a warm dinner right about now.

Gah. So much for the Christmas Spirit.

"Hey, Jersey?" Ryuujou waved to the battleship, but her gaze was twisted in frustration as she fiddled with one of the… little… folded-paper thingies that somehow became a Zero when she did her magic shit.

"Yeah," said the battleship as she lazily pulled abreast of the little carrier. At least it was a distraction from being utterly bored and miserable. "What's up?"

"I had a, uh…" Ryuujou pulled at the collar of her outfit, "My elevator's jammed, I can't spot anything."

Jersey's scowl deepened to a full-out frown. "That so…" she growled. She folded her arms across her chest, grumbling under her breath at whatever asshole god ruled this little spec of ocean. "Please tell me you can fix it."

"I think so," said Ryuujou, hunching lower over scroll with her brows knitted in concentration. "But until I do, I can't launch planes, just recover them."

"The CAP's almost out of gas, isn't it?" said Jersey. It might have been phrased a question, but given the quality of her day thus far, the battleship was all but certain of the answer.

"Yeah," said Ryuujou, "Sorry, boss."

Jersey scowled and wiped her face with the least-damp part of her scarf. "'s not your fault," she said, peeling away to launch her own scout plane. It wasn't nearly as good as a Zero, or even a Val. But an extra pair of eyes in the sky would do wonders in spotting Abyssal submarines.

"Keep an eye out for santa for me!"

The battleship cracked a tiny grin. She was a battleship, the biggest, most mature class of warship ever put to sea, with the arguable exception of the big fleet carriers. She knew full well how utterly impossible it was for a single north-pole dwelling elf to deliver presents to every home in the world in a single day. Just the storage alone would be unimaginably vast. The science behind it just didn't make sense.

It didn't change the fact that unexplained presents had been showing up every Christmas since the Abyssals and Kanmusu emerged. Jersey didn't think she could complain about the implausibility, especially since she was a battleship who was also a pretty girl.

"Uh…" Fubuki pulled up alongside, her little ponytail all but encrusted in salt, "Jersey-Sempai?"

"Yo."

"I- I think I saw something," said the little destroyer, waving off to the far norther horizon, "Just inside radar range."

Jersey squinted, focusing her radars along the vector Fubuki was indicating. There was… definitely something there. A few somethings maybe, it looked like a capital ship escorted by a few contacts too indistinct to hold onto for long. "Yeah, I see it too."

Fubuki gulped, but she held her gun at the ready and set her face at a determined slant.

"Don't think they see us," said Jersey, closing her eyes to 'see' though her floatplane's observers. "Taking a closer look. Let's see if we can get the drop on them."

"Hai, Jersey-Sempai."

The lone kingfisher climbed high into the evening sky, its little engine fading into the soft rush of the wind as it broke off towards the distant radar contact. After a scant twenty-minutes in the air, the Abyssal taskforce was finally in view.

Only it wasn't Abyssal at all. Abyssals reeked of hatred, their twisted forms were malice personified. Ugly, twisted mockeries of once-proud ships.

But not this… this little taskforce radiated life and.. joy even.

A single carrier—a Yorktown. Jersey knew that silhouette by heart—formed the center of the formation. Eight—no, nine—destroyers were arrayed in a loose horseshoe around the carrier. And-

Jersey blinked.

And not only was the carrier wearing red-white-and-green dazzle camo, the lead destroyer was shining a brilliant crimson spotlight into the midnight gloom.

Jersey laughed, her mouth twisting up into a smile even she couldn't control.

"Jersey-sempai?" Fubuki clutched her turret even tighter, "wh-what is it?"

"'s nothing, kiddo," said Jersey between bouts of laughter. "Relax," she waved the destroyer down.

Turns out she was wrong. It was a perfect day to be at sea.
 
Christmas Special time! Non-canon and written on very little sleep. Let's see how/if it holds up!
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Jersey scowled as her bow smashed though a freezing arctic wave. It was an absolutely miserable night to be at sea. The scattered clouds were just enough to block any potentially pleasing view of the stars without providing even a shred of warmth. What an utter, unmitigatedly horrible way to spend Christmas day.

The battleship's scowl deepened as ice-cold spray splashed over her face and slicked her hair back against her freezing skull. Actually, she'd crossed the International Date Line a few hours ago, which meant she was technically steaming along on Christmas eve.

As if that was some-fucking-how better. She was still cold and miserable. Her stomach was grumbling at the distinct lack of fuel oil in her bunkers. Every time she hit a wave, the end of her sopping-wet ponytail slapped against her butt with a wet squelch. Her shorts were almost soaked though, and she just knew Crowning and Was were enjoying a warm dinner right about now.

Gah. So much for the Christmas Spirit.

"Hey, Jersey?" Ryuujou waved to the battleship, but her gaze was twisted in frustration as she fiddled with one of the… little… folded-paper thingies that somehow became a Zero when she did her magic shit.

"Yeah," said the battleship as she lazily pulled abreast of the little carrier. At least it was a distraction from being utterly bored and miserable. "What's up?"

"I had a, uh…" Ryuujou pulled at the collar of her outfit, "My elevator's jammed, I can't spot anything."

Jersey's scowl deepened to a full-out frown. "That so…" she growled. She folded her arms across her chest, grumbling under her breath at whatever asshole god ruled this little spec of ocean. "Please tell me you can fix it."

"I think so," said Ryuujou, hunching lower over scroll with her brows knitted in concentration. "But until I do, I can't launch planes, just recover them."

"The CAP's almost out of gas, isn't it?" said Jersey. It might have been phrased a question, but given the quality of her day thus far, the battleship was all but certain of the answer.

"Yeah," said Ryuujou, "Sorry, boss."

Jersey scowled and wiped her face with the least-damp part of her scarf. "'s not your fault," she said, peeling away to launch her own scout plane. It wasn't nearly as good as a Zero, or even a Val. But an extra pair of eyes in the sky would do wonders in spotting Abyssal submarines.

"Keep an eye out for santa for me!"

The battleship cracked a tiny grin. She was a battleship, the biggest, most mature class of warship ever put to sea, with the arguable exception of the big fleet carriers. She knew full well how utterly impossible it was for a single north-pole dwelling elf to deliver presents to every home in the world in a single day. Just the storage alone would be unimaginably vast. The science behind it just didn't make sense.

It didn't change the fact that unexplained presents had been showing up every Christmas since the Abyssals and Kanmusu emerged. Jersey didn't think she could complain about the implausibility, especially since she was a battleship who was also a pretty girl.

"Uh…" Fubuki pulled up alongside, her little ponytail all but encrusted in salt, "Jersey-Sempai?"

"Yo."

"I- I think I saw something," said the little destroyer, waving off to the far norther horizon, "Just inside radar range."

Jersey squinted, focusing her radars along the vector Fubuki was indicating. There was… definitely something there. A few somethings maybe, it looked like a capital ship escorted by a few contacts too indistinct to hold onto for long. "Yeah, I see it too."

Fubuki gulped, but she held her gun at the ready and set her face at a determined slant.

"Don't think they see us," said Jersey, closing her eyes to 'see' though her floatplane's observers. "Taking a closer look. Let's see if we can get the drop on them."

"Hai, Jersey-Sempai."

The lone kingfisher climbed high into the evening sky, its little engine fading into the soft rush of the wind as it broke off towards the distant radar contact. After a scant twenty-minutes in the air, the Abyssal taskforce was finally in view.

Only it wasn't Abyssal at all. Abyssals reeked of hatred, their twisted forms were malice personified. Ugly, twisted mockeries of once-proud ships.

But not this… this little taskforce radiated life and.. joy even.

A single carrier—a Yorktown. Jersey knew that silhouette by heart—formed the center of the formation. Eight—no, nine—destroyers were arrayed in a loose horseshoe around the carrier. And-

Jersey blinked.

And not only was the carrier wearing red-white-and-green dazzle camo, the lead destroyer was shining a brilliant crimson spotlight into the midnight gloom.

Jersey laughed, her mouth twisting up into a smile even she couldn't control.

"Jersey-sempai?" Fubuki clutched her turret even tighter, "wh-what is it?"

"'s nothing, kiddo," said Jersey between bouts of laughter. "Relax," she waved the destroyer down.

Turns out she was wrong. It was a perfect day to be at sea.
HA
We must be looking at different sourcebooks then. I just put the wikipedia link to the Oakland since it's the first 'Atlanta' ship that actually, you know, deleted the wing turrets.
Oakland was the first to do it, but was still just a modified atlanta. Juneau CA-109, nameship of Juneau class, was more than just removing the 4 side turrets. It also involved a complete superstructure redesign to give better visibility.
If you're making an evaluation of a historical vehicle based on how 'good' it is in a WarGaming product, something is very, very, very wrong with your value standards.
I'm not. I'm just saying that them having a limited firing arc with the side turrets isn't super relevant except for the extra weight. And if they weren't there in the first place, and the Atlanta's as as a whole never had them I'd probably be less tempted to go broadside and go boom.
 
I'll assume that means you liked it!
Oakland was the first to do it, but was still just a modified atlanta. Juneau CA-109, nameship of Juneau class, was more than just removing the 4 side turrets. It also involved a complete superstructure redesign to give better visibility.

I'm not. I'm just saying that them having a limited firing arc with the side turrets isn't super relevant except for the extra weight. And if they weren't there in the first place, and the Atlanta's as as a whole never had them I'd probably be less tempted to go broadside and go boom.
The wing turrets weren't actually for fighting. The Atlanta was designed as a night-fighting destroyer leader, that's why she's got torpedoes. Her wing turrets were just for firing star shells to illuminate targets at night. Of course, once the US fully adopted the Radar Master Race, they got shuffled over to the AA-cruiser role. I don't believe the wing turrets were used in this role, but I'm not totally positive.
The gun directors issue issue was fixed by '42, the Oakland-class you referenced is more officially called the Juneau-Class, though no ships of the class were technically built until '46, and honestly if it wasn't for the topheavyness being somewhat alleviated by losing 4 guns, them having a limited firing arc wouldn't even bother me, certainly doesn't when I'm in her in WoWS, though... admittedly, I wouldn't be going broadside and showing a citadel the size of alaska either.
Juneau: Look, I totally appreciate what my redesign did to help my seaworthyness. It made us way better seaboats, and we're way less susceptible to flooding. But... it just ruined my bustline! I wouldn't be so mad if Atlanta didn't keep hanging out with Atago and flaunting it! UGHHHHH!
 
To be fair, submarines killed a lot of ships wing turrets or not. The only thing unique about Juneau's death was the Sullivan brothers. If the Sullivan hadn't all died, her wikipedia page would be one of the innumerable stub pages that exist for most of the US WWII navy.
 
I'll assume that means you liked it!
I did!
The wing turrets weren't actually for fighting. The Atlanta was designed as a night-fighting destroyer leader, that's why she's got torpedoes. Her wing turrets were just for firing star shells to illuminate targets at night. Of course, once the US fully adopted the Radar Master Race, they got shuffled over to the AA-cruiser role. I don't believe the wing turrets were used in this role, but I'm not totally positive.
Well, the 5 inchers she used were all dual purpose guns so... I'd say probably?

Juneau: Look, I totally appreciate what my redesign did to help my seaworthyness. It made us way better seaboats, and we're way less susceptible to flooding. But... it just ruined my bustline! I wouldn't be so mad if Atlanta didn't keep hanging out with Atago and flaunting it! UGHHHHH!
... Isn't bustline for CA's dictated by their fuel capacity? Thus Atago's references to having massive fuel tanks.
 
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