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Spectre said:
Honestly I always thought that their state name defined their look and past service life shaped their personality coming back.
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That seems like a good way of looking at it. My headcanon for Wisconsin's shipgirl form has always had her as the blondest of the Iowa sisters in appearance, with a deep love of beer and dairy; something like embarrassed pride over the drone incident in First Gulf, and very self-conscious about being the only one of her sisters to have had a nose job. Also very aware that until the Abyssal War, she and Mo were the last battleships to fire their guns in anger.

She also becomes insufferable whenever University of Wisconsin beats Iowa or Rutgers, but in my headcanon, it's the 28 submarines that were built in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, that are truly (American) football-obsessed (as in, you could probably summon them with an appropriate half-time show at a Packers-Bears game).
 
Glitchrr36 said:
Cheesemarines. Yes. This is a good thing. Yeesss.
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All the cheesemarines were either Gato or Balao-class. My favorite is USS Rasher, SS-269, sank 18 ships in 8 patrols, holds the record for 2nd highest amount of tonnage sunk by a US submarine during the war, and may actually hold the record for highest tonnage sunk, as one of USS Flasher's claimed kills is considered highly dubious. Rasher's fifth patrol, from July 22 to September 3, 1944, set a record for most tonnage sunk in a single patrol that wasn't beaten until USS Archerfish torpedoed Shinano. She served in various capacities in the USN up through the Vietnam War.

But a lot of the other cheesemarines also have interesting stories.
  • Postwar, Redfin helped with the development of the Polaris missile.
  • USS Robalo was an unlucky boat, her first commander, Cdr. Stephen Ambruster was summarily relieved after her first patrol for not being aggressive enough; he was replaced by Lt. Cdr. Manning Kimmel, son of Admiral Kimmel. Robalo nearly sank on her second patrol after being bombed when the main induction valve didn't properly close, sending her to a depth of 350 feet; when she returned to base, Kimmel was nearly relieved of command for being excessively aggressive. She sank on her third patrol, and Captain Kimmel was reportedly burned alive with other POWs by Japanese camp guards angered by US air strikes on Palawan.
  • USS Ray, USS Raton, and USS Guitarro all put torpedoes into Kumano, but failed to sink her. Guitarro also tracked Admiral Kurita's Center Force during the Battle of Leyte Gulf.
  • A lot of the cheesemarines ended up being sold to other countries:
    • Hammerhead, Mapiro, and Mero went to Turkey and became TCG Cerbe, Pirireis, and Hızırreis.
    • Hawkbill and Icefish were sold to the Dutch and became HNLMS Zeeleeuw and Walrus.
    • Kraken became the Spanish Almirante García de los Reyes.
    • Lamprey became ARA Santiago del Estero, and was used by the Argentines to insert divers into the Falklands in 1966; Argentina also got USS Macabi, who became ARA Santa Fe.
    • Lizardfish became Italian as Evangelista Torricelli.
    • Hardhead was sold to Greece and became HS Papanikolis, serving until 1993, the last surviving cheesemarine.
  • Menhaden was the only one of the cheesemarines to stay on duty with the USN as something other than a research ship or radar picket, and was, for a short time in November of 1945, Admiral Nimitz's flagship. Like Rasher, she also received battle stars for her service during the Vietnam War. After she was struck in 1973, Menhaden became an unmanned test ship known as "The Yellow Submarine" until she finally sank in 1988.
 
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The Pennsylvania class has 2 speeds: 21knts and MURDER at 21. Knts.
 
theJMPer said:
Yeah, the attack was bad. Friendly reminder that Frisco had to listen to two destroyers hugging each other for comfort as they burned to death.
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Yeah, but Pennsy had to *watch* it happen directly in front of her...

Simon_Jester said:
Hm.

Pennsylvania is one of the Standards I did not have a handle on and would have had trouble trying to write, Old Iron, so I am very much pleased to see that you have ideas of your own and are developing them. I would have gone in a different and probably less interesting direction in your shoes, so congrats!

Yes. Frisco had to listen to Cassin and Downes die.

Pennsylvania was right there next to them in the same drydock, they blew up right in front of her bow.
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Simon_Jester said:
And, again, just for emphasis, Pennsylvania was right there in the drydock with Cassin and Downes as they listed, collapsed against each other, and burned out. She was literally sprayed with massive chunks of exploded shrapnel of up to a thousand pounds from secondary explosions as they came apart.

So if you think Frisco's got a complex about that...
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.......aaaaaaand Sendai'd x2.

(And if anyone looks up the hull numbers and thinks that Cassin and Downes were repaired, you should know that about the only part of either ship that was salvageable was some of her machinery plant; that was removed from the wrecks and shipped back to San Francisco, where they built entirely new destroyers around the salvaged engines and gave them the same names and hull numbers as both a legal fiction--it bypassed the need for Congress to authorize two replacements--and as a propaganda tool to make the attack seem like it did less damage. The rest of their wrecks were scrapped; think of it more as their being organ donors.)

Death_Sheep said:
That seems like a good way of looking at it. My headcanon for Wisconsin's shipgirl form has always had her as the blondest of the Iowa sisters in appearance, with a deep love of beer and dairy; something like embarrassed pride over the drone incident in First Gulf, and very self-conscious about being the only one of her sisters to have had a nose job. Also very aware that until the Abyssal War, she and Mo were the last battleships to fire their guns in anger.

She also becomes insufferable whenever University of Wisconsin beats Iowa or Rutgers, but in my headcanon, it's the 28 submarines that were built in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, that are truly (American) football-obsessed (as in, you could probably summon them with an appropriate half-time show at a Packers-Bears game).
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Or a Packers-Lions game, since that was a huge rivalry at the time and would remain such until Vince Lombardi complained enough about having to always play the Lions in Detroit on Thanksgiving Day that the NFL dropped the Packers-visiting-team part of the tradition. (His argument was that it was unfair to never get to host the Lions, but instead always play them on the road.)

Also, I pity CL-8 when the Manitowoc boats find out that the Lions now play indoors and Briggs/Tiger Stadium is not only abandoned, but demolished, but the Packers remain at the Frozen Tundra of Lambeau...
 
Uh... could you please explain how you know Pennsy had Oklahoma's turrets?

Also, a "long rifle" could sympbolize any number of things other than "I have Oklahoma's turrets."

For example, it could be symbolic of Revolutionary War status with Pennsylvania having a sort of "Liberty Belle" flavor due to her state's role in the war for independence from Britain.

It could be a reference to Pennsylvania's large and scenic back country which includes its own rural hill culture (just as I portray West Virginia as a riflewoman rather than a pistolera).
 
Simon_Jester said:
Uh... could you please explain how you know Pennsy had Oklahoma's turrets?

Also, a "long rifle" could sympbolize any number of things other than "I have Oklahoma's turrets."

For example, it could be symbolic of Revolutionary War status with Pennsylvania having a sort of "Liberty Belle" flavor due to her state's role in the war for independence from Britain.

It could be a reference to Pennsylvania's large and scenic back country which includes its own rural hill culture (just as I portray West Virginia as a riflewoman rather than a pistolera).
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Heck, the famous Kentucky rifles were mostly made in Pennsylvania.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Uh... could you please explain how you know Pennsy had Oklahoma's turrets?

Also, a "long rifle" could sympbolize any number of things other than "I have Oklahoma's turrets."

For example, it could be symbolic of Revolutionary War status with Pennsylvania having a sort of "Liberty Belle" flavor due to her state's role in the war for independence from Britain.

It could be a reference to Pennsylvania's large and scenic back country which includes its own rural hill culture (just as I portray West Virginia as a riflewoman rather than a pistolera).
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look at how the rifles described:
Hands donning filthy gloves embraced a long rifle like it were both prisoner and lover. A finger over the trigger, held back only by the guard. The safety was noticeably broken.
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1.clearely the rifle means something to her on a personnel level.
2. flintlocks don't have safeties on them, so there goes the revolutionary war idea
3. If it were anything other then her wrecked half sisters turret, why's it damaged.
 
Old Falling Apart. There's a point made in her summoning that she was always firing after Pearl. Never stopping. Always shooting, or ready to shoot, or wanting to shoot.

Symbolically, a broken safety represents this. She can't imagine not shooting, as such, she can't put her safety on the rifle.
 
Plus, she's a twelve gun superdreadnought, when typical battleship main batteries tend to be more like 8-10 guns.

Keeping up that ferocious mad minute volume of fire was probably her schtick before the war too. It's just that now she does it because she's shell-shocked and borderline berserk, whereas before she just shot really fast.
 
Let's not forget that Pennsylvania was also Flagship of the whole Pacific Fleet and whose Admiral was always in the office instead. Not that Penn blames him, seeing how being aboard her might have been too painful a reminder of Nimitz's last flagship: Her sister, USS Arizona. (Admiral Isaac Kidd who died at Pearl Harbor btw was Nimitz's flag captain aboard Arizona when Nimitz commanded Battle Division 0ne.)
 
@Skywalker_T-65 got it in one for the broken safety.

As for the rifle itself, it's actually modeled after Pennsylvania's state rifle. And while I know there aren't any safeties on it, I felt the symbolism behind a broken safely was more powerful than simply not having one. It also isn't representative of any guns other than her own.

I'm also trying to move away from modifying a Pacific design like I did with Ari.

And I can't really say much about Pennsy herself without writing more.
Arizona: *attempts Destroyer Eyes*
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Jane/Sasebo DD's: *join*
Dammit.
 
I would suggest that both Arizona and Pennsylvania be sent to the base psychologist' s office. It is obvious to me that Pennsylvania probably has PTSD at the very least. Admiral Richardson should point out to both Arizona and Pennsylvania that the modern-day American military does not look down on mental health issues. The main thing to do is to keep her away from any Japanese ship girls until a psychological evaluation and treatment program can be put in place.
 
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