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    • attention @Thorthemighty, the OP has asked you politely more than once to desist in starting to write your own scenes for his fic. Like so:
    theJMPer said:
    Please do not discuss modern weapons versus Abyssals unless you are me, someone who's written a canonized Omake, someone who puts lots of thought and effort into their posts (Wiskey or RDfox), or someone with actual experience with the thing in question (Breakaway25.)
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    theJMPer said:
    As long as it's not painful military-wank like Thor's doing, you keep the universe rules in mind, and you don't keep going after someone who knows better (Me, Iron, Sky, Wiskey, Jimbo, De3ta, Winter) tells you you're misunderstanding the universe rules, and don't keep going after someone asks you to stop, you're cool.
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    So please, if you have ideas that vivid, start your own thread for them, but stop dropping them in someone else's story when they've asked you to stop.

    Thank you for your time.
     
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    • Thorthemighty said:
    Oh okay, it's just that I was trying to calculate the total tonnage score that Jersey has racked up.
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    What's the weight of returned shipgirls?

    In universe, the only "points" for sinking Abyssals (vs keeping them from sinking our merchies) is that it allows our shipgirls to return.

    BtW- @theJMPer, is it close to 1:1 tonnage sunk/returned ratio?

    IRL, there are no points- period
     
    The only person who really analyzed it in-story was Gale. She compared it to a "drops" system in an RPG. To get more (and stronger) shipgirls, you have to sink more (and stronger) Abyssals. The tonnage ratio may NOT be 1:1, in fact we have excellent reason to think it didn't, unless two or three dozen capital-class shipgirls plus escorts materialized somewhere we don't know about after the sinking of the (2.2 million ton displacement) Northern Princess.

    Instead, the action against Northern Princess netted the Americans... possibly a number of cruisers, may have made Texas's self-summoning indirectly possible at a later time. But no gigantic fleet showed up all at once. Japan got a pretty sweet aircraft carrier out of the deal (literally), but again, no 2.2 or even 1.1 million tons of ships.

    Because while Northern Princess was MUCH larger and bulkier than a normal ship, she was still only one ship, and so sinking her gives you only one loot drop.

    Conversely, the 'reward' for sinking an Abyssal U-boat or destroyer in isolation is likely to be comparatively small potatoes (a blimpcat or something).
     
    What I meant was that I was trying to calcualate how much Tonnage overall in total Jersey has sent to the bottom, from the Battle of Juan de Fuca to the Battle against Four Panzerschiffs. That is what I was trying to calculate was the tonnage score, like for Submarines and how when they sink a bunch of ships it goes to the total amount of tonnage that they have sunk.

    Mainly because, as it stands, Jersey has sunk at least 2.3 maybe 2.4 million tons worth enemy ships overall.
     
    LudicrousSpeedGo said:
    What's the weight of returned shipgirls?

    In universe, the only "points" for sinking Abyssals (vs keeping them from sinking our merchies) is that it allows our shipgirls to return.

    BtW- @theJMPer, is it close to 1:1 tonnage sunk/returned ratio?

    IRL, there are no points- period
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    It's not one-to-one in either direction. Loosing one of your own boats counts disproportionately against you. To get really good loot, you have to S-rank the mission. (The Northern Princess mission could've netted Taihou/a Crane for the JMSDF or an Independence/Baltimore or something for the USN if they didn't almost loose Heerman and Mushi hadn't walked out with borderline crippling damage.)
     
    Would the difficulty of the mission come into play as well?

    For instance, milk runs against meagre scouting units are less likely to grant valuable ships compared to a hard fought engagement against a powerful task force.
     
    I guess this means I can tell Yamashiro she won't get her sister back by grinding mooks all day long.
     
    Why do I get the feeling that the summoning that is going to occur in the aftermath of the Battle against the Battleship Princess is going to net something like a Standard or something similar, old, rather slow, pretty much naked in terms of Anti-Aircraft Firepower? Because well, they didn't exactly S-Rank that, maybe C-ranked it, but that battle was a fiasco, with Hiei nearly getting killed, Kaga losing a large number of her air wing, Takako, Yamashiro, Tatsuta, and Jintsuu being absolutely hammered hard, Arizona taking a bit of a battering herself, plus everything else.

    That said, judging by this, the Battle against the Atomic Battlecruiser Princess certainly could have better as well, with Alaska and Company having the crap beaten out of them and one of the ships -poor Whisky may she rest in peace- being sunk, even though the Princess was killed thanks to Texas. That was probably a D-Rank, might bag a gaggle of PT-Boat Wolves, maybe an old Four-Stacker or a Destroyer Escort, at best if they are really lucky they might get at a Farragut class Destroyer Girl (1938).

    Your thoughts @Old Iron and @theJMPer did I pretty much nail it on head in terms of getting the ranks at what the possible loot drop for those battles might be? Mainly because using the new information about loot drops I am only taking a WAG (Wild Assed Guess) here not even going to call it a Scientific Wild Assed Guess, for all I know I could be completely wrong and I have no problem their either.
     
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    The drop system has another advantage, namely the fact that Abby forces wiped out six of the USN supercarriers in the first few hours of the war. Abby forces had a HUGE lead in tonnage available, but only got a handful of drops from it. They were forced to put most of their eggs in one basket (Northern Princess).
     
    Or, depending on the match, anything under S-rank may give you nothing.

    TBH, I'm partial to some kind of point system. Each rank gives you a specific amount of points (mana, energy, forsaken souls, whatever), varying on mission type. Once you reach a given value, a new shipgirl may be summoned, probably if other requirements are met.

    Of course, this also means you might not be able to immediately perceive the reward you got from a certain engagement, and launch confusion among the ranks as a mediocre mission ends up with a new shipgirl showing up. Basically, you're making a blind run of this game of destiny.
     
    There's plenty of room for headcanon, since TheJMPer is nowhere near foolish enough to detail exactly how the system works. The broad workings of the system are fairly clear- you get one shipgirl for a mission, regardless of the nature of the mission or how much sinking you do in the process. Under unusual circumstances, a tight-knit group of ships may count as one (e.g. the Taffies).

    Sometimes you might luck out and get a good ship in exchange for a relatively 'easy' sinking (this is the obvious explanation for how Japan even still exists, given that they started with Kongou, DesDiv 6, and that's it... but by now they've managed to summon something like half of their historical WWII capital ship force.

    I'm not sure the Abyssals play by exactly the same rules that humanity/shipgirls do here, but it's probably at least broadly analogous.

    Hm. On that note...

    By the by, are there any confirmed examples of Abyssals appearing that are Abyssalized versions of a class that's "accounted for?" As just an example of this, an Abyssal Nagato-class appearing, after Mutsu and Nagato were already summoned?

    That would be a suitably final nail in the coffin of "Abyssals are shipgirls, just evil ones."
     
    Two of the KGVs are back. Georgie and PoW.

    There have been Abyssal KGVs. One could argue them being the 'missing' ones, if not for there being more than three we've seen.
     
    LudicrousSpeedGo said:
    Except not quite one ship / group per fight. Juan de Fuca yielded 3 groups: White, Fletcher summoning, Sammie B.
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    Technically not true, USS Hoel, USS Heermann, USS Johnston, USS Samuel B. Roberts, and USS White Plains where all members of Task Force 77.4.3 aka Taffy III. As it stands, we have the entirety of the Destroyer Screen part of Taffy III, a one of the four the Destroyer Escorts that also composed the Escort Screen, and one of the six CVEs that made up TF 77.4.3. So they are all Taffies. Techincally.
     
    I helped lead a tour of Japanese visitors on Iowa today, and noticed in the gift shop that most of the girls (and many of the boys) were buying one item: a plushie bald eagle.



    After the tour, I mentioned the story to my boss--the head of the Tour Department--and added that one of them had asked me if we sold plushie sixteen-inch shells...

    After my boss stopped laughing, he sent an email to many of the other department heads, adding the line at the end, "Might sell".

    I'm so going to Hell.
     
    Nicholas said:
    I helped lead a tour of Japanese visitors on Iowa today, and noticed in the gift shop that most of the girls (and many of the boys) were buying one item: a plushie bald eagle.



    After the tour, I mentioned the story to my boss--the head of the Tour Department--and added that one of them had asked me if we sold plushie sixteen-inch shells...

    After my boss stopped laughing, he sent an email to many of the other department heads, adding the line at the end, "Might sell".

    I'm so going to Hell.
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    You're totally gonna hook us up with those 16" shell plushies, right?
     
    Thorthemighty said:
    Why do I get the feeling that the summoning that is going to occur in the aftermath of the Battle against the Battleship Princess is going to net something like a Standard or something similar, old, rather slow, pretty much naked in terms of Anti-Aircraft Firepower?
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    Oi

    Wee Vee IS slow, but her AA Firepower is comparable to Jersey's (not to mention that her Belt is 13.5 inches thick and that she has 8 16/45 Mark 8s) nyo

    Don't bash my 2nd Waifu, unless you want 16-inch shells on your face
     
    Felix_Argyle said:
    Oi

    Wee Vee IS slow, but her AA Firepower is comparable to Jersey's (not to mention that her Belt is 13.5 inches thick and that she has 8 16/45 Mark 8s) nyo

    Don't bash my 2nd Waifu, unless you want 16-inch shells on your face
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    Wee Vee's guns can't fire the Mark 8, that shell is to big for the hoists by a good 10 inches at least, her guns are only the 16in/45 Caliber Mark 1 gun, which fires Mark 3 AP round which weighs in at 2,110 pounds. Her armor is good, but if she comes with commission kit, her AA will be about as good as Ari's is atm, just a couple of 3in/50 Caliber Guns, not even the Rapid-Fire variant.
     
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